Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Hi Folks, IF AIT is right then Rig Veda is alright... If AIT is wrong then Rig Veda is wrong... RV is the source of AIT...if any one interpret differently then thats the failure of perfected language ...sanskrit..RV can have one interpretation only!!! http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/rig-veda.html Selections from the Rig Veda References to the Rig Veda comprise Book number, Hymn number, and verse number. For example, the following verse shows that the Dasyus (Dravidian) - the people the Aryans conquered - were of different appearance and language: "10 One car-wheel of the Sun thou rolledst forward, and one thou settest free to move for Kutsa. Thou slewest noseless Dasyus with thy weapon, and in their home o'erthrewest hostile speakers." (5.29.10, i.e. book 5, hymn 29, verse 10). The "car" of the Rig-Veda is the hariot. "hostile speaker...Aryans could not understood dravidian language. HYMN XXXIII. Indra. 4 Thou slewest with thy bolt the wealthy Dasyu, alone, yet going with thy helpers, Indra! Far from the floor of heaven in all directions, the ancient riteless ones fled to destruction. {riteless, i.e. irreligious, from the Aryan point of view, as the Jewish-derived religions consider others pagan or heathen} "Fled to destruction...fled from Indus..) 5 Fighting with pious worshippers, the riteless turned and fled, Indra! with averted faces. When thou, fierce Lord of the Bay Steeds, the Stayer, blewest from earth and heaven and sky the godless. " turned and fled....Dravids run away from Indus?.. 6 They met in fight the army of the blameless: then the Navagvas put forth all their power. {blameless, i.e. those loyal to the gods} They, like emasculates with men contending, fled, conscious, by steep paths from Indra, scattered. 7 Whether they weep or laugh, thou hast 'erthrown them, O Indra, on the sky's extremest limit. The Dasyu thou hast burned from heaven, and welcomed the prayer of him who pours the juice and lauds thee. i.e. those who win the gods' favour} 8 Adorned with their array of gold and jewels, they o'er the earth a covering veil extended. {gold & jewels ... the wealth of Harappa} Although they hastened, they o'ercame not Indra: their spies he compassed with the Sun of morning. 9 As thou enjoyest heaven and earth, O Indra, on every side surrounded with thy greatness, So thou with priests bast blown away the Dasyu, and those who worship not with those who worship. 14 Indra, thou helpest Kutsa whom thou lovedst, and guardedst brave Dagadyu when he battled, The dust of trampling horses rose to heaven, and Svitri's son stood up again for conquest. HYMN LIII. Indra. 7 Thou goest on from fight to fight intrepidly, destroying castle after castle here with strength. Thou, Indra, with thy friend who makes the foe bow down, slewest from far away the guileful Namuci. Destroyed Indus valley castles...Many bengali, Assamese and Oriyans have Das.. as surname.. also in Tamil Nadu Das is a common...Ramdas.. 8 Thou hast struck down in death Karanja, Parnaya, in Atithigva's very glorious going forth. Unyielding, when Rjisvan compassed them with siege, thou hast destroyed the hundred forts of Vangrida. 9 With all-outstripping chariot-wheel, O Indra, thou far-famed, hast overthrown the twice ten Kings of men, With sixty thousand nine-and- ninety followers, who came in arms to fight with friendless Susravas. HYMN LXIII. Indra. 4 That, as a friend, thou furtheredst, O Indra, when, Thundcrer, strong in act, thou crushedst Vrtra; When, Hero, thou, great-souled, with easy conquest didst rend the Dasyus in their distant dwelling. Dasyus definitely lived in indus valley...so RV refers to indus dwelling... 7 Warring for Purukutsa thou, O Indra, Thunder-armed! breakest down the seven castles; Easily, for Sudis, like grass didst rend them, and out of need, King, broughtest gain to Puru. Rig Veda is the main evidence of Aryan Invasion Theory… Eithavan irruka ambai novathae..i.e why blame the arrow (objective Historians) when the archer (Rig Vedachari??) is there? So… RV is ???? or AIT is ?????…….let wisdom prevails…Hinduism is still saved because its not purely vedic religion.. Cheers Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 INDOLOGY, "Mahavir" <msanglikar> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > IF AIT is right then Rig Veda is alright... > If AIT is wrong then Rig Veda is wrong... > > RV is the source of AIT...if any one interpret differently then thats > the failure of perfected language ...sanskrit..RV can have one > interpretation only!!! > > > http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/rig-veda.html > > Selections from the Rig Veda Dear Sir While you claim to spread Jainism and a friend of Jainism, why do you take as true RV interpretation given in English from Australia. If you are a real frind of Jainism, why don't you give views about RV as given by early Jain thinkers in different Indian languages. Jains have a massive literary output in all languages of India , especially in ancient times. Instead choosing something from that, all you can do is to refer to something written in English by a non- Jain, which you claim to be the only possible interpretation of RV. Your actions are incongruous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 INDOLOGY, "Mahavir" <msanglikar> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > IF AIT is right then Rig Veda is alright... > If AIT is wrong then Rig Veda is wrong... > > RV is the source of AIT...if any one interpret differently then thats > the failure of perfected language ...sanskrit..RV can have one > interpretation only!!! > > > http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/rig-veda.html > Rig Veda is the main evidence of Aryan Invasion Theory… Eithavan > irruka ambai novathae..i.e why blame the arrow (objective Historians) > when the archer (Rig Vedachari??) is there? So… RV is ???? or AIT > is ?????…….let wisdom prevails…Hinduism is still saved because its > not purely vedic religion.. > > Cheers > > Krishna. Since you seem to be Tamil, why don't you give Ilango Adikal's view of RV instead of referring to a propoganda material on the internet. Silappadikaram is the literary product of a Jain monk Ilanko, which gives one of the best windows into Tamil society 2000 years back and Ilango's view of RV is far superior to any internet propaganda material written in English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Dear Mahavir, Greetings. On Aryan migrations takingplace after the Indus culture decline, prof. M. Witzel, Harvard university, has given a summary from the thorough study of Rgveda, ELECTRONIC JOURNAL OF VEDIC STUDIES (EJVS) Vol. 7 (2001), issue 3 Michael Witzel Autochthonous Aryans? The Evidence from Old Indian and Iranian Texts. http://nautilus.shore.net/~india/ejvs/ejvs0703/ejvs0703article.pdf Jainism is one ancient stream of Indic philosphy where karma, yoga, reincarnation concepts come to the front which are not in the early Vedic. The yogic stance is seen often in Indus era art. The yogic ideas in Tamil can be seen in Tamil literature, cummu-tal ('to breathe') and cummaa. CTamil/message/460 Regards, N. Ganesan INDOLOGY, "Mahavir" <msanglikar> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > IF AIT is right then Rig Veda is alright... > If AIT is wrong then Rig Veda is wrong... > > RV is the source of AIT...if any one interpret differently then thats > the failure of perfected language ...sanskrit..RV can have one > interpretation only!!! > > > http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/rig-veda.html > > Selections from the Rig Veda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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