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[Y-Indology] Caste Statistics: 4 varnas

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INDOLOGY, phillip.ernest@u... wrote:

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> On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, ymalaiya wrote:

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> > I should mention that for all practical purposes, the 4 varnas

ceased

> > to exist as distinct groups quite a long time ago.

 

.... for idealists.

 

Till date, if you check the Indian newspapers most Indians marry only

by their traditional castes. The majority of brahmins marry only

brahmins - even here most marry only into their own sects. Likewise

for Vaishyas, Kshatriyas and various other sub-castes.

 

Also this so called "four varnas" do not include the traditional

anuloma and pratiloma castes. Where will the ratha kaara or the

charioteer born of a intercaste-caste (Kshatriya and Vaishya?)

marraige - fit in, in the chatur varna system? He is a sub-caste all

on his own. Likewise Kayasthas.

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On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, vpcnk wrote:

 

> > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, ymalaiya wrote:

> >

> > > I should mention that for all practical purposes, the 4 varnas

> ceased

> > > to exist as distinct groups quite a long time ago.

>

> ... for idealists.

 

I have the impression that the four varNas only ever existed for

theoretical

idealists; the empirical social fact seems to have been jaati from a very

early time, a fact that

gave those idealists endless trouble, and resulted in a mind-boggling

alchemy that sought to reconcile jaati to varNa-- when jaati was already

complicated enough as it was!

 

P. Ernest

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