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>Kayasthas have traditionally been scribes (as

>distinguished from writers).They probably were

>responsible for much of early stone and copper

>inscriptions. A popular last name (or final part of

>names)of inscribers has been ghosha, a kayastha last

>name in Bengal.

 

What abot Azva-ghosha? In his Buddha lifestory work, many

Hindu gods' legends are satirized, and these stories

are repeated in a 11th century Tamil prabandham,

kArAnai vizupparaiyan maTal, written by JayamkoNTAr,

of scribe heritage.

 

Interestingly, potters are called "kosavar" in Tamil,

and "ghosha" and "kosava" may be related. Among the available 100000+

tamil inscriptions, a common signature for scribes

will include, "vELAn" - a title for the potter caste.

There is a theory that the accountant caste, whose god is

Citragupta, may be originally potters. After all,

potters scratch on the kalazas, and writing is born.

The intense rivalry between potters and accountants

is told in many tamil legends (eg. there is an akaval

verse and prose commentary quoted in medieval commentaries

of TolkAppiyam grammar).

 

Traditionally, s. Indian society was organized into

left-handed and right-handed castes. Left-handed castes

were service castes such as carpenters, smiths, traders

(kOmaTi cases), accountants, brahmins and right handed

castes were land owning - vellalas (velama in Teugu),

and, potters also.

 

See the potter and brahmaNa connections analyzed by

S. Palaniappan in Indology (Liverpool) archives.

The acculturing of potter -> accountant -> brahmin castes

is worth exploring. The potter vs. kayasth legends in

literature need to be studied.

 

Karnikar caste origin legends:

INDOLOGY/message/1676

INDOLOGY/message/1660

 

Regards,

N. Ganesan

 

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi interview:

INDOLOGY/message/2090

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INDOLOGY, "naga_ganesan" <naga_ganesan@h...> wrote:

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>

> Traditionally, s. Indian society was organized into

> left-handed and right-handed castes. Left-handed castes

> were service castes such as carpenters, smiths, traders

> (kOmaTi cases), accountants, brahmins and right handed

> castes were land owning - vellalas (velama in Teugu),

> and, potters also.

 

Traditionally Brahmins were not classified into either valankai or

idangai i.e. right or left-handed castes. Ref: Burton

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> INDOLOGY, "naga_ganesan" <naga_ganesan@h...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Traditionally, s. Indian society was organized into

> > left-handed and right-handed castes. Left-handed castes

> > were service castes such as carpenters, smiths, traders

> > (kOmaTi cases), accountants, brahmins and right handed

> > castes were land owning - vellalas (velama in Teugu),

> > and, potters also.

 

 

For brahmins as left-handed castes, refer to Brenda Beck

and Velcheru Narayanrao's writings.

 

Who's Burton & what does he say?

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INDOLOGY, "naga_ganesan" <naga_ganesan@h...> wrote:

 

> For brahmins as left-handed castes, refer to Brenda Beck

> and Velcheru Narayanrao's writings.

>

> Who's Burton & what does he say?

 

Sorry, it should have been Burton Stein. The different lists of left

anf right-handed mentioned in diffeent periods don't mention

brahmins. Hence Burton Stein concludes brahmins were not part of this

classification. I don't have his book on Medievel South India on hand

and writing from memory and hence can't give page no.s , etc

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