Dr. S. Wells on early man in India

[Guest guest]

An interview given by a geneticist, Dr. Spencer Wells

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/27inter.htm

 

"that shows that all humans

alive today have descended from a single man who

lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago. "

 

"You did your experiments in Madurai. Can you tell us about your

findings?

 

The experiments were regarding the early coastal migration of human

beingsto Australia. Because, according to our theory, the first time man

migrated from Africa was to Australia. India proved a critical

turning point for us as genetic testing of isolated Indian populations

produces a key genetic marker [one of the genetic changes] linking India

as a crossroad for the journey of man to both Australia and

Central Asia. So we were looking in the south of India because most

Indian scientists said that the oldest population in India stayed in

south India. And we found out in our experiments that these

people were Dravidians. "

[Guest guest]

Many articles from Genetics specialists mention about people speaking

Dravidian languages reached India more than 10000 years ago.

 

Here is a Tamil article about VirumaaNDi, from Piramalai KaLLar community.

http://www.vikatan.com/jv/2002/dec/29122002/jv0602.shtml

Thanks to Dr. RmK for pointing this URL.

 

He along with many others possess the gene proving that early man

reached south India before reaching Australia starting from Africa.

Anthropologists and Indologists theorizing Caste, have long been

studying Tamil castes such as Piramalai Kallars.

 

Louis Dumont, A south Indian subcaste, Social organization and religion

of the Pramalai Kallar (1986:OUP) dedicates the book "to Muttusaami Tevar

almost a co-author of this book, and a representative of the

sociological genius of the Tamils". Dumont's Home Hierarchicus: The caste

system was famous, but had its critics too.

 

Happy holidays,

N. Ganesan

 

>

> An interview given by a geneticist, Dr. Spencer Wells

> http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/27inter.htm

>

> "that shows that all humans

> alive today have descended from a single man who

> lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago. "

>

> "You did your experiments in Madurai. Can you tell us about your

> findings?

>

> The experiments were regarding the early coastal migration of human

> beingsto Australia. Because, according to our theory, the first time man

> migrated from Africa was to Australia. India proved a critical

> turning point for us as genetic testing of isolated Indian populations

> produces a key genetic marker [one of the genetic changes] linking India

> as a crossroad for the journey of man to both Australia and

> Central Asia. So we were looking in the south of India because most

> Indian scientists said that the oldest population in India stayed in

> south India. And we found out in our experiments that these

> people were Dravidians. "

[Guest guest]

INDOLOGY, "naga_ganesan <naga_ganesan@h...>"

<naga_ganesan@h...> wrote:

>

> Many articles from Genetics specialists mention about people

speaking

> Dravidian languages reached India more than 10000 years ago.

>

> Here is a Tamil article about VirumaaNDi, from Piramalai KaLLar

community.

> http://www.vikatan.com/jv/2002/dec/29122002/jv0602.shtml

> Thanks to Dr. RmK for pointing this URL.

>

> He along with many others possess the gene proving that early man

> reached south India before reaching Australia starting from Africa.

> Anthropologists and Indologists theorizing Caste, have long been

> studying Tamil castes such as Piramalai Kallars.

 

 

 

I don't think the geneticists' views as that of Dr.Wells are direct

comment on linguistics. When he says "Tamil castes such as Piramalai

Kallars" were deposited on the Indian soil on the way to Australia

by earlu humans from Africa, he is not making a linguistically

important statement. When he says DNA M190Y was deposited 40,000

years back in India, does not explain the present day linguistic

distributions.

[Guest guest]

Profs. Karp, Ernest,

 

Dr. L. M. Fosse's words might be of use,

INDOLOGY/message/2226

 

Happy 2003!

N. Ganesan

[Guest guest]

>

> An interview given by a geneticist, Dr. Spencer Wells

> http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/27inter.htm

>

 

While Dr.Spencer Wells does make many superficial

and politically correct comment.

He must indeed be congratulated and applauded for

identifying the "genetic marker" that identifies the

Aryans !

 

Dr.Spencer Wells states" The Aryans came from outside India.

We actually have genetic evidence for that. Very clear genetic

evidence from a marker that arose on the southern steppes of

Russia and the Ukraine around 5,000 to 10,000 years ago. And

it subsequently spread to the east and south through Central

Asia reaching India.

It is on the higher frequency in the Indo-European speakers, the

people who claim they are descendants of the Aryans, the Hindi

speakers, the Bengalis, the other groups. Then it is at a lower

frequency in the Dravidians. But there is clear evidence that there

was a heavy migration from the steppes down towards India"

 

One other issue to consider is that if you look up the

archives of both Indology lists - you will find that Witzel et al

claim that the "Aryan Invastion" was only comprised of small

elite groups - wheras Dr.Wells claims a "heavy migration".

 

But we should all appreciate the effort that has been put

into this scholarly scientific research.

 

Anyway, I fondly hope Spencer Wells will publish

joint-research work with well known Indologists that

factors in the newly identified 'Aryan' genetic marker.

 

Regards,

Subrahmanya

[PANDISELVI]

Sir,

 

i would like to discuss more on this topic ...being a piramalai kallar girl myself...thats thought prowoking and hope that would resolve many of my unsolved queries about my own origin which i feel should have been ineteresting..

 

I welcome open discussions on this....