Jats,and Maharattas - Sadashiv Bhau

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IndianCivilization, "dev_mukerji" <debashis25@h...>

wrote:> RE : PANIPAT III (1761)> > Correct me if I'm worng, but the

defeat at Panipat III was due to > lower numbers. Abdali & his allies

had 60,000 soldiers. Maratha > combatants numbered 48,000.> > ON THE

HINDU SIDE> ------------------> The Marathas expected the help of the

Jats. Suraj Mal refused to > help. And this is AFTER the rape and

pillage of Mathura, where Muslim > historians state "the scream of

Hindu Jat women could be heard over a > mile away".> > The Naga

Sannyasins, in the camp of the Muslim rulers of Oudh, fought >

AGAINST the Marathas at Panipat.> > The Sikhs remained mute.> > ON

THE MUSLIM SIDE> ------------------> The Mughal spy network provided

Abdali with information on the > Marathas.> > The Indian Rohillas

joined with Abdali, and formed the fiercest > fighters of his ranks.>

> The Nawab of Oudh SIDED with Abdali.> > So, each community acted in

accordance to his / her true nature.> > The defeat of Panipat is

primarily due to lower numbers on the > Maratha side.For an

alternative view of the battle of Panipat.XXXXSant Ramdas was the

Guru of Shivaji, and was responsible to a large extent for

inculcating in Shivaji, a love for a Hindustan free of the

Mussalman.What is not so commonly known is the role of the Guru, in

the development of the resistance movement in North India,

particularly UP, and Haryana.At the time of Aurangzeb, a rebellion

broke out, known as the Jat rebellion. The role the Guru played is

quite significant.The Guru through sermons and discourses raised the

sprit of the people, and encouraged them to throw off the Mogul yoke.

In this he had the support of the Governing Council of the Haryana

Sarv Khap, the governing council of the what one, may call the

republic or Ganapada, (which stretched from the Sutlej, to the

Chambal River, incorporating, East Punjab, Haryana, and western

UP).In a sermon, in the Muzzafarpur (UP) area, after a havan, young

men, led by Gokula, accepted the exhortation and challenge of the

Guru to devote and sacrifice their lives for the motherland. The vows

were taken, with a sip of water from the Ganga, and the Yamuna, and

the chewing of a pipal leaf. The rest in any conventional history

book - The stopping of cow killing in the local temples, the defeat

and removal of local Muslim officials, the battles, the eventual

capture and decapitation piece by piece of this freedom fighter,

followed by the revenge, the pogroms, against the people of the

Braj.After Guru Ramdas, relationship building between the Sarv Khap

and the Maharattas continued. Pundit Kanha Ram, who was an adviser to

the Council, and also a recorder of the history as it occurred,

visited the Pune Court a number of times.At the time of the Panipat

battle, Pundit Kanha Ram wrote a record of the events, of which he

was a contemporary.This record had previously been unknown, and has

come to light in recent decades, and a copy was translated into

English by Prof Bal Kisen Dabas, a historian with Shivaji college,

Delhi, and is part of his book `Political and Social History of the

Jats', which covers the medieval period. from Aurangzeb, to the

Maharattas, and depicts in some detail the administration of the

affairs of the Ganapada- the Sarv Khap of Haryana.The Khap ran its

affairs separately, in parallel to the rulers at Delhi, and more

often than not in conflict with them. The historical record of the of

the Ganapada or Khap goes back to the time of Harsha Vardhan Virk of

Kanauj, whom the Khap coronated as King, in Chaitya (March - April)

VS 606.After the death of Dattaji at Sukartal, the Maharattas swore

revenge, and Sada Shiv Bhau was sent north with a large army, and

over 200 Cannon, to destroy Abdali. The Jats, following their Khap

Panchayat, direction, supported and fought alongside the Maharattas

in this period.The Bhau among other communications wrote a letter,

asking all Hindus, and the Sarv Khap for assistance in men and

material to throw out the Muslim invader. The original is still in

the Panchayat records.It may noted separately, that there was some

tension between the Maharattas and the northern rulers, caused by the

desire for supremacy by the Maharattas, who sought to subjugate all

the north and bring it under their rule. The harsh policies of the

Maharattas may be dealt with elsewhere. As the Maharatta power came

north it ran into conflict, with the northern people- excessive taxes

were demanded, and much land was laid waste. The Maharaats came into

conflict with the Bharatput state, ruled by Surajmal.Intermediaries,

Holkar, persuaded Surajmal, that if he joined with the Maharattas, he

would not be betrayed.At this time differences were put apart.The

Sarv Khap, of Haryana gave its support to Surajmull, and appointed

him as the leader, as was the custom, at times of external threats

like these to choose one leader. The Khap, contributed an army 25,000

troops, led by Sohal, a general chosen by the Panchayat.On reaching

Delhi, the Bhau, called a meeting, and representative of the entire

Coalition gathered. Pundit Kanha Ram was present too.At the meeting,

Surajmull suggested that the way to deal with Abdali was to resort to

Guerilla Warfare, at which the Jats excelled, and not to meet Abdali

head on. He also suggested that no Muslim place of worship be

desecrated. And the Muslims were not to be trusted, as they would all

support Abdali. He suggested that all heavy material, Guns, should be

left at a central place, all women and Children, retainers, should be

kept at Delhi or Bharatpur. Behind Abdali, he suggested that a

scorched earth policy be followed to deprive Abdali of food and

grain.Surajmull, asked the Maharattas not to desecrate the silver

ceiling in Delhi fort, offering to pay Res 5 lacs instead. The

Maharattas ignored that, destroyed the silver ceiling and distributed

it among their camp followers.The Bhau and his retainers ignored this

advice, and Surajmull and the Raja of Indore were humiliated. Of

Surajmull it was said, " what could a peasant know of war" and of the

Raja of Indore,' what could a herder know of war" The Moguls of the

Delhi Court were humiliated, and insulted. Ibrahim Gardi, the general

of Artillery of the Bhau, boasted that Abdali's troops would be

roasted before his cannon liked 'Chana '(chick peas) or Gram. A holi

would be played with the enemy.The Maharattas also decided to capture

Surajmull. On receiving this news, Surajmull with his troops, slipped

away, before the Maharattas could capture him.The Rajput rulers of

Rajastan send word to Abdali, that they would not be supporting the

Bhau, and would not join battle on his side.Then ponderous army of

the Maharattas moved forward, without adequate food or water. Abdali

was able to fight a mobile battle.In the initial stages the battle

went well for the coalition. Abdali could not break through the Jats.

On the Maharatta flank, a shell exploded near the howdah of Bhisa

Rao, who was mortally wounded. Ibrahim Gardi was wounded with three

bullets, and withdrew to the rear. The Bhau, called away to see his

nephew, ignored the pleas of his staff to attend to the battle. As he

left, he came across his women, who were wandering, having escaped

from their camp, which had been attacked and razed by Abdali's'

troops. He sent off his guard to try and save the women. He went to

be with his nephew, who breathed his last. The Bhau lost control of

the battle. The Maharattas lost heart, and Abdali broke through their

ranks, and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. The Jat allies

could not survive on their own and were massacred. Such are the

vagaries of War.One by one the Maharattas escaped a best as they

could. Near Muzzarfarnagar, a number of the ladies, including the

Bhau's wife of were given succor and shelter for the next six months.

They were then sent to Pune. The Sarv Khap, and Surajmal in Bharatpur

provided medicine, food and shelter to the defeated.What about the

Bhau? According to the Pundit Kanha Ram, the Bhau never returned to

Maharastra, but went underground in Haryana and lived out his days

there, incognito, going from place of worship to place of worship. He

died when he was 119 years old.The history on India, one more time

took a different route.The causes were not superstition or the horse

(e.g. an astrologer suggesting attacking after nine months). but

arrogance, a refusal to accommodate others, and accept that the

people did not wish to exchange a Muslim yoke for the heel of the

Maharatta and simple awful luck.Ravi chaudharyPS: As an aside the

warfare schools of the Jat Khap were renowned. Guru Ramdash arranged

for a number of Mulls (warriors) to go the Shivaji, to train his

troops, in warfare, particularly guerilla warfare. There is also a

letter form Dev Rana the ruler of Vijayanagar, asking for a number of

Mull Yodhas (as they were known) from the Khap to be sent his to

court, so they can train his soldiers, to be able to remove the

pestilence of the Mussalman. A number were sent to Vijayanagar, where

the imparted training to the Rana's troops.These are historical

documents, hitherto not well known, which throw a very different

light on the history of India.**************

 

 

According to our Jat Historians, the Bhau had after the defeat gone

incognito and lived

out his days, going form place of pilgrimage to place of pilgrimage.

 

In response to a recent posting of the account on the Jathistory

list, I got above reply

from another Jat historian

.."""

 

 

 

dharmpal dudee <dharmpaluk

Mon Dec 23, 2002 9:37 am

Re: [JatHistory] Re: Jats, Maharattas, and the Battle of

Panipat

 

 

"""Sadashiv rao bhau

became monk- sadhu after the defeat in battle of

Panipat. He was died in SANGHI village in ROHTAK

DISTRICT.His Samadhi is in village Sanghi now.

Maharaja Surajmal- Maharani Kisori took care of

defeated maratha army & helpless women folk.They spent

40 lakhes rupees for food& clothes for 40 days.

The women were returned safe to Poona under JAT army

guard. Maharani Kisoridevi went with them for security

reason.

The marathas are very grateful to jats for those act

of humanity until now. """

 

*************

List members are all welcome to join that list.

 

Usual rules will apply – no profanity etc .

 

Ravi Chaudhary

 

JatHistory/

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Whatever the veracity of this narrative, Shivaji's guru Ramadasa

was certainly not alive at the time of the Panipat battle. Shivaji

died in 1680 AD, and was followed by his son Sambhaji who

was taken captive by the Mughals and was killed. There is a

letter written by Ramadasa to Sambhaji, but Ramadasa himself

died shortly thereafter.

 

Madhav Deshpande

 

INDOLOGY, "Ravi Chaudhary

<ravi9@h...>" <ravi9@h...> wrote:

>

>

> IndianCivilization, "dev_mukerji" <debashis25@h...>

> wrote:> RE : PANIPAT III (1761)> > Correct me if I'm worng, but

the

> defeat at Panipat III was due to > lower numbers. Abdali & his

allies

> had 60,000 soldiers. Maratha > combatants numbered

48,000.> > ON THE

> HINDU SIDE> ------------------> The Marathas expected the help

of the

> Jats. Suraj Mal refused to > help. And this is AFTER the rape

and

> pillage of Mathura, where Muslim > historians state "the

scream of

> Hindu Jat women could be heard over a > mile away".> > The

Naga

> Sannyasins, in the camp of the Muslim rulers of Oudh, fought >

> AGAINST the Marathas at Panipat.> > The Sikhs remained

mute.> > ON

> THE MUSLIM SIDE> ------------------> The Mughal spy network

provided

> Abdali with information on the > Marathas.> > The Indian

Rohillas

> joined with Abdali, and formed the fiercest > fighters of his

ranks.>

> > The Nawab of Oudh SIDED with Abdali.> > So, each

community acted in

> accordance to his / her true nature.> > The defeat of Panipat is

> primarily due to lower numbers on the > Maratha side.For an

> alternative view of the battle of Panipat.XXXXSant Ramdas was

the

> Guru of Shivaji, and was responsible to a large extent for

> inculcating in Shivaji, a love for a Hindustan free of the

> Mussalman.What is not so commonly known is the role of the

Guru, in

> the development of the resistance movement in North India,

> particularly UP, and Haryana.At the time of Aurangzeb, a

rebellion

> broke out, known as the Jat rebellion. The role the Guru played

is

> quite significant.The Guru through sermons and discourses

raised the

> sprit of the people, and encouraged them to throw off the Mogul

yoke.

> In this he had the support of the Governing Council of the

Haryana

> Sarv Khap, the governing council of the what one, may call the

> republic or Ganapada, (which stretched from the Sutlej, to the

> Chambal River, incorporating, East Punjab, Haryana, and

western

> UP).In a sermon, in the Muzzafarpur (UP) area, after a havan,

young

> men, led by Gokula, accepted the exhortation and challenge of

the

> Guru to devote and sacrifice their lives for the motherland. The

vows

> were taken, with a sip of water from the Ganga, and the

Yamuna, and

> the chewing of a pipal leaf. The rest in any conventional history

> book - The stopping of cow killing in the local temples, the

defeat

> and removal of local Muslim officials, the battles, the eventual

> capture and decapitation piece by piece of this freedom fighter,

> followed by the revenge, the pogroms, against the people of

the

> Braj.After Guru Ramdas, relationship building between the

Sarv Khap

> and the Maharattas continued. Pundit Kanha Ram, who was

an adviser to

> the Council, and also a recorder of the history as it occurred,

> visited the Pune Court a number of times.At the time of the

Panipat

> battle, Pundit Kanha Ram wrote a record of the events, of

which he

> was a contemporary.This record had previously been

unknown, and has

> come to light in recent decades, and a copy was translated into

> English by Prof Bal Kisen Dabas, a historian with Shivaji

college,

> Delhi, and is part of his book `Political and Social History of the

> Jats', which covers the medieval period. from Aurangzeb, to the

> Maharattas, and depicts in some detail the administration of

the

> affairs of the Ganapada- the Sarv Khap of Haryana.The Khap

ran its

> affairs separately, in parallel to the rulers at Delhi, and more

> often than not in conflict with them. The historical record of the

of

> the Ganapada or Khap goes back to the time of Harsha

Vardhan Virk of

> Kanauj, whom the Khap coronated as King, in Chaitya (March -

April)

> VS 606.After the death of Dattaji at Sukartal, the Maharattas

swore

> revenge, and Sada Shiv Bhau was sent north with a large

army, and

> over 200 Cannon, to destroy Abdali. The Jats, following their

Khap

> Panchayat, direction, supported and fought alongside the

Maharattas

> in this period.The Bhau among other communications wrote a

letter,

> asking all Hindus, and the Sarv Khap for assistance in men

and

> material to throw out the Muslim invader. The original is still in

> the Panchayat records.It may noted separately, that there was

some

> tension between the Maharattas and the northern rulers,

caused by the

> desire for supremacy by the Maharattas, who sought to

subjugate all

> the north and bring it under their rule. The harsh policies of the

> Maharattas may be dealt with elsewhere. As the Maharatta

power came

> north it ran into conflict, with the northern people- excessive

taxes

> were demanded, and much land was laid waste. The

Maharaats came into

> conflict with the Bharatput state, ruled by

Surajmal.Intermediaries,

> Holkar, persuaded Surajmal, that if he joined with the

Maharattas, he

> would not be betrayed.At this time differences were put

apart.The

> Sarv Khap, of Haryana gave its support to Surajmull, and

appointed

> him as the leader, as was the custom, at times of external

threats

> like these to choose one leader. The Khap, contributed an

army 25,000

> troops, led by Sohal, a general chosen by the Panchayat.On

reaching

> Delhi, the Bhau, called a meeting, and representative of the

entire

> Coalition gathered. Pundit Kanha Ram was present too.At the

meeting,

> Surajmull suggested that the way to deal with Abdali was to

resort to

> Guerilla Warfare, at which the Jats excelled, and not to meet

Abdali

> head on. He also suggested that no Muslim place of worship

be

> desecrated. And the Muslims were not to be trusted, as they

would all

> support Abdali. He suggested that all heavy material, Guns,

should be

> left at a central place, all women and Children, retainers,

should be

> kept at Delhi or Bharatpur. Behind Abdali, he suggested that a

> scorched earth policy be followed to deprive Abdali of food and

> grain.Surajmull, asked the Maharattas not to desecrate the

silver

> ceiling in Delhi fort, offering to pay Res 5 lacs instead. The

> Maharattas ignored that, destroyed the silver ceiling and

distributed

> it among their camp followers.The Bhau and his retainers

ignored this

> advice, and Surajmull and the Raja of Indore were humiliated.

Of

> Surajmull it was said, " what could a peasant know of war" and

of the

> Raja of Indore,' what could a herder know of war" The Moguls

of the

> Delhi Court were humiliated, and insulted. Ibrahim Gardi, the

general

> of Artillery of the Bhau, boasted that Abdali's troops would be

> roasted before his cannon liked 'Chana '(chick peas) or Gram.

A holi

> would be played with the enemy.The Maharattas also decided

to capture

> Surajmull. On receiving this news, Surajmull with his troops,

slipped

> away, before the Maharattas could capture him.The Rajput

rulers of

> Rajastan send word to Abdali, that they would not be

supporting the

> Bhau, and would not join battle on his side.Then ponderous

army of

> the Maharattas moved forward, without adequate food or water.

Abdali

> was able to fight a mobile battle.In the initial stages the battle

> went well for the coalition. Abdali could not break through the

Jats.

> On the Maharatta flank, a shell exploded near the howdah of

Bhisa

> Rao, who was mortally wounded. Ibrahim Gardi was wounded

with three

> bullets, and withdrew to the rear. The Bhau, called away to see

his

> nephew, ignored the pleas of his staff to attend to the battle. As

he

> left, he came across his women, who were wandering, having

escaped

> from their camp, which had been attacked and razed by

Abdali's'

> troops. He sent off his guard to try and save the women. He

went to

> be with his nephew, who breathed his last. The Bhau lost

control of

> the battle. The Maharattas lost heart, and Abdali broke through

their

> ranks, and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. The Jat

allies

> could not survive on their own and were massacred. Such are

the

> vagaries of War.One by one the Maharattas escaped a best as

they

> could. Near Muzzarfarnagar, a number of the ladies, including

the

> Bhau's wife of were given succor and shelter for the next six

months.

> They were then sent to Pune. The Sarv Khap, and Surajmal in

Bharatpur

> provided medicine, food and shelter to the defeated.What

about the

> Bhau? According to the Pundit Kanha Ram, the Bhau never

returned to

> Maharastra, but went underground in Haryana and lived out his

days

> there, incognito, going from place of worship to place of

worship. He

> died when he was 119 years old.The history on India, one

more time

> took a different route.The causes were not superstition or the

horse

> (e.g. an astrologer suggesting attacking after nine months). but

> arrogance, a refusal to accommodate others, and accept that

the

> people did not wish to exchange a Muslim yoke for the heel of

the

> Maharatta and simple awful luck.Ravi chaudharyPS: As an

aside the

> warfare schools of the Jat Khap were renowned. Guru

Ramdash arranged

> for a number of Mulls (warriors) to go the Shivaji, to train his

> troops, in warfare, particularly guerilla warfare. There is also a

> letter form Dev Rana the ruler of Vijayanagar, asking for a

number of

> Mull Yodhas (as they were known) from the Khap to be sent his

to

> court, so they can train his soldiers, to be able to remove the

> pestilence of the Mussalman. A number were sent to

Vijayanagar, where

> the imparted training to the Rana's troops.These are historical

> documents, hitherto not well known, which throw a very

different

> light on the history of India.**************

>

>

> According to our Jat Historians, the Bhau had after the defeat

gone

> incognito and lived

> out his days, going form place of pilgrimage to place of

pilgrimage.

>

> In response to a recent posting of the account on the Jathistory

> list, I got above reply

> from another Jat historian

> ."""

>

>

>

> dharmpal dudee <dharmpaluk>

> Mon Dec 23, 2002 9:37 am

> Re: [JatHistory] Re: Jats, Maharattas, and the Battle of

> Panipat

>

>

> """Sadashiv rao bhau

> became monk- sadhu after the defeat in battle of

> Panipat. He was died in SANGHI village in ROHTAK

> DISTRICT.His Samadhi is in village Sanghi now.

> Maharaja Surajmal- Maharani Kisori took care of

> defeated maratha army & helpless women folk.They spent

> 40 lakhes rupees for food& clothes for 40 days.

> The women were returned safe to Poona under JAT army

> guard. Maharani Kisoridevi went with them for security

> reason.

> The marathas are very grateful to jats for those act

> of humanity until now. """

>

> *************

> List members are all welcome to join that list.

>

> Usual rules will apply – no profanity etc .

>

> Ravi Chaudhary

>

> JatHistory/

[Guest guest]

INDOLOGY, "deshpandem <mmdesh@U...>"

<mmdesh@U...> wrote:

> Whatever the veracity of this narrative, Shivaji's guru Ramadasa

> was certainly not alive at the time of the Panipat battle. Shivaji

> died in 1680 AD, and was followed by his son Sambhaji who

> was taken captive by the Mughals and was killed. There is a

> letter written by Ramadasa to Sambhaji, but Ramadasa himself

> died shortly thereafter.

>

> Madhav

Deshpande

>

> INDOLOGY, "Ravi Chaudhary

> <ravi9@h...>" <ravi9@h...> wrote:

> >

> > > > Ravi Chaudhary

> >

> > JatHistory/

 

 

Actually, the post relates to realtionships between the Jats and the

Maharatas, over a period of time from that of Shivaji.

 

It is not being suggested that Guru Ramarth Das was at the Panipat

battle of 1761, but that he was factor in the rise of Shivaji, and

the Jat rebellion of Gokula and others at the time of Aurangzeb, by

his incultating a spirit of nationalism in the people.

 

 

The post actually reads :

 

""After Guru Ramdas, relationship building between the Sarv Khap

and the Maharattas continued. Pundit Kanha Ram, who was an adviser to

the Council, and also a recorder of the history as it occurred,

visited the Pune Court a number of times ""

 

The relationships between the Jat Sarv Khap and the maharatas

continued, and the Bhau asked for the Sarv Khaps help, and it was

given.

 

Succor to many of his troops and women kind , after the defeat.

 

There is still the original letter written by the Bhau to the Khap

in their records

 

These are records that were not very well known or not taken into

account when the Indian History was being reconstructed.

 

 

Ravi