Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 The pair of opposites, called tavvai "elder sister" (or, mukaTi, kETTai, cETTai, etc.) and ceyyAL 'shrii' (or, tiru, puu-/alai-makaL etc.) occurs in TirukkuRaL (eg., in kuRaL 167, 617, 936). VaLLuvar, the author of kuRaL, is considered to be influenced by Jainism [1]. Her name, kETTai, seems to come from kETu 'harm'. cETTai may be tamiziased form of jyeSThA. Buddhist stories talk about jyeSTha-shri sisters. INDOLOGY/message/3070 Was it popular among Jains as well? Ramayana stories became popular in the south via Prakrit. For example, Indra turning into a cat upon the sight of Ahalya's husband, Gotama is popular in tamil, and the source seems to be a prakrit phrase with double meaning, and this is not in Valmiki [2]. Inana's promiscuous nature in Mesopotamian poetry compares with the description of Tiru in ancient Indian texts. She is lolA-caJcalA, and after the victorious. Interestingly, in many CT poems, the dAsi is compared with the lotus flower, the flower of Laxmi. Inanna/Ishthar's elder sister was Ereshkigal in Mesopotamian myths, and Ereshkigal was the goddess of the underworld. In Tamil Nadu, 100s of sculptures of jyeSThA from Pallava and Chola shiva temples are found. Now abandoned,but worshipped between 500-1000 CE. Along with the crow banner, kETTai is accompanied on her sides by a cow-headed son (mAntan2),and daughter called svAhA. This reinforces that jyeSThA is the pAtALa-lokam boss. Cows are donated to funeral priests (VaitaraNi river legend, old tamil poems), and the fire may refer to cremation. Richard Davis, in his paper in J. E. Cort, Open boundaries (SUNY) discusses jaina rituals borrowed into saivaagamas in the south. Have seen preprint of prof. John Cort's paper on bhakti in jaina tradition (History of Religion jl.), and there are some points taken from classical sangam texts. Is the worship of jyeSThA in southern shiva temples and saivaagamas a borrowal from Jainism? Near Madurai, in the TirupparaGkunRam hills, there are many Jaina sculptures. The jyeSThA sculpture is worshipped nowadays as Murukan (Skanda) (Ref. T. A. Gopinatha Rao, Elements of Hindu iconography)!! Madurai has Jaina presence in Tamil brahmi epigraphy from 2nd century BCE. Tamil bhakti saints use jyeSThA imagery in their verses. Jnaanasambandhar, in his polemical verses sung at Madurai against Jains associates the term, cETTai with them. This looks like a pun - "cETTai" a) "mischief" and b) jyeshta So, are there references to lakshmi-jyestha pair in Jain sources? Isn't Parshvanatha's yaksi, Padmaavathi a variant of shree? (Parshvanatha, like Vishnu is represented under a serpent hood, and green in color. Also, Parshvanath has srivatsam mark in sculptures). Are there jyestha images in Karnataka temples? Thanks, N. Ganesan [1] Valluvar and Jainism http://www.services.cnrs.fr/wws/arc/ctamil/2002-04/msg00068.html [2] Indra turning into cat (cl. tamil, Somadeva's kathasaritsagara) http://www.services.cnrs.fr/wws/arc/ctamil/2002-04/msg00124.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 >Tamil bhakti saints use jyeSThA imagery in their verses. >Jnaanasambandhar, in his polemical verses sung at Madurai >against Jains associates the term, cETTai with them. >This looks like a pun - "cETTai" a) "mischief" and b) jyeshta For that particular poem with a translation: CTamil/message/107 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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