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Sanskrit still blooming in a tiny village in Karnataka

http://www.hvk.org/articles/0203/35.html

 

This journalism piece is wrong in its claim:

"Historically, the natives of this village are settlers

from Sankote located in Tamil Nadu-Karnataka border".

 

Actually, Sanketi Brahmins moved from SengkOTTai (Sencottah) from

Tirunelveli district. This place is near Kanyakumari, not

in the TN-Karnataka border. This is the place where the

Malaya/Potikai/Potiyil mountains, and where old Sanskrit

and Tamil literature says Agastya lives. Avalokita's

Potala may be same as Potiyil mountain. In 'Saiva and Buddhist

literature, Agastya was taught tamil by 'Shiva and Avalokita.

 

The Malaya/Potiyil area from where Sanskrit-speaking Sanketis

hail is long known for Sanskrit knowledge. Bhartrhari (5th century)

in Vakyapadiya 2.486 says Sanskrit grammar was rescued from the

Parvata mountain. This could well be the Malaya parvatam, one of

the kula-parvatams. In Tamil texts, "Poruppu" which simply means

"the mountain" refers to the Malaya-parvata. Pandya kings had it as

their emblem - Malayadhvaja. There are many, many ref.s in

old Tamil literature where "poruppu" ("the mountain") is

the Malaya-parvata. And, in tamil literature, "parvatam" is

refering to this mountain place.

 

OTOH, note that zrii-parvata is always called as such, never as

"parvata" alone. The Sanskrit texts of 5th century to 10th century

and more only refer to 'zrii-parvata' for the present day Srisailam,

and not to `parvata' at all. HarSacarita (Chowkamba ed. p.9),

KaadambarI (ed. Peterson, p. 224-228), Maalatii-maadhava (1.8,10)

and RaajataraGgiNI (3.267, 4.390), vAsavadatta, kathAsaritsAgara.

In HarSa's RatnAvalI, udayaNa's teacher hails from zriiparvata.

This is true even in MaJjuzrImUlakalpa. It refers to zrii-parvata

as: 'zrii-parvate mahAzaile dakSiNApatha saJiJike'. Inscriptional

uses of *zrii-parvata* continue well beyond: The earliest

inscriptions at Srisailam are dated to A.D. 1313. SII, vol. X,

nos. 503 and 504. They also refer to 'zrii-parvata', and never

simply as parvata.

 

It's interesting that Mattur Brahmins speak a tamil dialect

called Sanketi Tamil which itself has some peculiarities like

Tirunelveli tamil dialect. Some linguistic ref.s to the Sanketi tamil:

http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9705&L=indology&P=R13563

http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9906&L=indology&P=R5373

 

 

Regards,

N. Ganesan

 

http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9510&L=indology&P=R3189

Few years ago, Mattuur's 80% was speaking in Sanskrit.

Now is it close to 100%?

 

http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9605&L=indology&P=R4336

Prof. R. Zydenbos (a Dravidologist, Munich): "That the people of

Mattur

speak "only Sanskrit" is a myth which some of the villagers themselves

cultivate. They speak Kannada, and the entire village enthusiastically

participates in the "Speak Sanskrit" movement."

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Dear Members,

 

Being a Sanketi Brahmin, here is some info. Sanketi has no lipi and

is a mixture of Sanskrit, Tamil, Kannada, some Malyalam, and recently

some Hindi words. Pretty much all gotras among Brahmins are found

among Sanketis. Sanketis are descendants of Vadama Iyers who migrated

to Karnataka approximately 500-700 years ago.. Vadamas in turn came

to Tamil Nadu from the Narmada River Valley around ist century AD.

Sanketis are divided into 2 subgroups: Bettadapura and Kaushik (based

on original settlements in Karnataka) and there are 2 variants in the

dialect by those same names. If I remember correctly, Mattur

Sanketis are probably Kaushik. A question for members, any info on

origin of the Vadamas and their original language before coming to

Tamil Nadu ?; could they originally be Saraswat or Nagar Brahmins ?

(those groups are settled currently near the Narmada River Valley)

 

Pranam, Ravi Chandrasekhara MD

 

INDOLOGY, "naga_ganesan <naga_ganesan@h...>"

<naga_ganesan@h...> wrote:

>

> Sanskrit still blooming in a tiny village in Karnataka

> http://www.hvk.org/articles/0203/35.html

>

> This journalism piece is wrong in its claim:

> "Historically, the natives of this village are settlers

> from Sankote located in Tamil Nadu-Karnataka border".

>

> Actually, Sanketi Brahmins moved from SengkOTTai (Sencottah) from

> Tirunelveli district. This place is near Kanyakumari, not

> in the TN-Karnataka border. This is the place where the

> Malaya/Potikai/Potiyil mountains, and where old Sanskrit

> and Tamil literature says Agastya lives. Avalokita's

> Potala may be same as Potiyil mountain. In 'Saiva and Buddhist

> literature, Agastya was taught tamil by 'Shiva and Avalokita.

>

> The Malaya/Potiyil area from where Sanskrit-speaking Sanketis

> hail is long known for Sanskrit knowledge. Bhartrhari (5th century)

> in Vakyapadiya 2.486 says Sanskrit grammar was rescued from the

> Parvata mountain. This could well be the Malaya parvatam, one of

> the kula-parvatams. In Tamil texts, "Poruppu" which simply means

> "the mountain" refers to the Malaya-parvata. Pandya kings had it as

> their emblem - Malayadhvaja. There are many, many ref.s in

> old Tamil literature where "poruppu" ("the mountain") is

> the Malaya-parvata. And, in tamil literature, "parvatam" is

> refering to this mountain place.

>

> OTOH, note that zrii-parvata is always called as such, never as

> "parvata" alone. The Sanskrit texts of 5th century to 10th century

> and more only refer to 'zrii-parvata' for the present day

Srisailam,

> and not to `parvata' at all. HarSacarita (Chowkamba ed. p.9),

> KaadambarI (ed. Peterson, p. 224-228), Maalatii-maadhava (1.8,10)

> and RaajataraGgiNI (3.267, 4.390), vAsavadatta, kathAsaritsAgara.

> In HarSa's RatnAvalI, udayaNa's teacher hails from zriiparvata.

> This is true even in MaJjuzrImUlakalpa. It refers to zrii-parvata

> as: 'zrii-parvate mahAzaile dakSiNApatha saJiJike'. Inscriptional

> uses of *zrii-parvata* continue well beyond: The earliest

> inscriptions at Srisailam are dated to A.D. 1313. SII, vol. X,

> nos. 503 and 504. They also refer to 'zrii-parvata', and never

> simply as parvata.

>

> It's interesting that Mattur Brahmins speak a tamil dialect

> called Sanketi Tamil which itself has some peculiarities like

> Tirunelveli tamil dialect. Some linguistic ref.s to the Sanketi

tamil:

> http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9705&L=indology&P=R13563

> http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9906&L=indology&P=R5373

>

>

> Regards,

> N. Ganesan

>

> http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9510&L=indology&P=R3189

> Few years ago, Mattuur's 80% was speaking in Sanskrit.

> Now is it close to 100%?

>

> http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9605&L=indology&P=R4336

> Prof. R. Zydenbos (a Dravidologist, Munich): "That the people of

> Mattur

> speak "only Sanskrit" is a myth which some of the villagers

themselves

> cultivate. They speak Kannada, and the entire village

enthusiastically

> participates in the "Speak Sanskrit" movement."

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INDOLOGY, "vadhula <vadhula>"

<vadhula> wrote:

> Vadamas in turn

> came to Tamil Nadu from the Narmada River Valley around ist

> century AD.

 

This is very interesting. Any collateral for this rather precise

identification of time and place?

 

Lakshmi Srinivas

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> > Vadamas in turn

> > came to Tamil Nadu from the Narmada River Valley around ist

> > century AD.

>

> This is very interesting. Any collateral for this rather precise

> identification of time and place?

 

Actually there's an even more basic problem in this issue : the

Vadamaas today are represented by many sub-groups - Vada desathu

Vadamaa etc. Whether all of them are descendents of the original

Vadamaas itself is a big question as each group seems to have its own

peculiar traits which distinguishes it from others.

 

Or as Vidyasankar noted a long while back - whether after a

particular period all new brahmin migrants into TamilNadu identified

themselves as Vadamaas?

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