[Y-Indology] Vedic rites during the Indus urban phase

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I doubt very much that presence of 'ritual hearths' indicate the presence

of Indo-Aryan speakers. For this practice is also found in Sumeria and where

the language Sumerian is Archaic Tamil and hence Dravidian. The following

lines form Enhudu Anna's "The Exaltation of Inanna" , Hallo and Van Dijk

1968, can be provided as evidences for this:

 

84. as-im-babbar na-an-kus-u-de

I cannot appease Asimbabbar

 

Ta. aatimpaarppaar nAan kuusitee (")

 

85. su-luh-an-ku-ga-ke ni-nam-ma-ni in-kur

(Lugalanne) has altered the lustrations of holy An and all his (other

rites)

 

Ta. suulao AN kookakkee nanammani in-kuur ( ")

 

Here the word 'su-luh' is the archaic form of Ta. suulai: the fire hearth

which is still in use. The

'asim-babbar' is the Ta. aatipaarppaan, perhaps a term for AN, the Tamil

aaN, (>aaNdvan), the primordail Godhead but also called aati-paarppaan. In

CaGkam classics Siva is also known as Paarppaan. This ritual centering on

the Hearth, the Suulai may be a way of worshipping Siva as Fire, which is

one His most welcome forms.

 

I also believe that the construct "Indo-aryan' in the current sense may be

vacuous. This is based on my studies that Sumerian is Archaic Tamil and

that the language of Rig Veda, the Rigkrit is another variant of this

SumeroTamil. I have also studied Purusha Suktam along these lines. At the

moment I am studying Bagavath Gita and bringing out that the language here

too is another variant of Archaic Tamil. The postings are available in the

archives of Akandabaratam etc.

 

For Sumerian as Archaic Tamil, see the numerous postings at the following

website:

 

http://arutkural.tripod.com/sumstudies/sumcampus.html

 

For the language of Rig Veda and so forth as another variant of Archaic

Tamil, please see:

 

http://ulagank.tripod.com/vedictamil/vedtamfnt.html

 

 

Loga

 

 

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[Y-Indology] Vedic rites during the Indus urban phase

 

 

> Author: F. Allchin

> Source: The Archeology of Early Historic South Asia

> Source: Allchin, F. (1995). The Archeology of Early Historic South

> Asia: The Emergence of Cities and States. London: Cambridge University

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> A rather different picture is presented by the evidence found in the

> Indus urban settlements. [...] At Kalibangan the curious ritual

> hearths reported in domestic, public and civic situations are

> suggestive of a practice ancestral to the Indo-Aryan fire sacrifices,

> and it is an indication of the presence of Indo-Aryan speakers already

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"Dr. K.Loganathan" <subas

| I doubt very much that presence of 'ritual hearths' indicate the presence

| of Indo-Aryan speakers.

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Fire-altars at Lothal and Kalibangan can be seen as signs of Aryan presence

in post mature-Harappan phase. Signs of fire cult ,horse , etc., normally

considered associated with the Rgvedic and Avestan peoples would pose an

interpretative problem if they were hound at levels associated with the

Baluchistan phase, early Harappan phase or mature Harappan phase.

Rajesh Kochhar