[Y-Indology] varibility of pronounciation in Vedic chanting?

[Guest guest]

Prasad and Rajendran have pointed out important details. One

avenue to investigate this issue is to see if in Malayalam, PDr

word final -t appears as -l, while it is retained elsewhere in Tamil

and other Dravidian languages. Certainly a geminate -tt- does

not seem to undergo this treatment, and evidently not -ty- as in

the cited ityartha-. Considering the environments in the cited

examples, it would seem that Sanskrit t>l in Malayalam recitation

word-finally as well as before voiceless consonants, but not in

geminate -tt- and before voiced consonants like -ty-. What

happens to Skt tatra in Malayalam recitation?

 

Madhav Deshpande

 

INDOLOGY, Rajendran C

<crajenin> wrote:

> With regard to the Kerala recitation of Veda having

> the l sound in lieu of the t sound mentioned by

> Professor Deshpande, it can be seen that this also is

> not confined to Veda. As documented by Kunjunni Raja,

> the Malayali pronunciation in the following examples

> would illustrate this

> Vatsalya-valsalya

> tatparya-talparya

> tatkala-talkala

> I think the pronunciation of Vasat as vasaL is also a

> typical Kerala variation.

> While it is possible that the mother tongue pull may

> be a reason for regional variation, the vedic chanting

> influencing regional languages must also be not ruled

> out.The malayalam dialect of central Kerala Namboodiri

> Brahmins seems to show traces of some vedic accent

> C.Rajendran

>

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[Guest guest]

>What happens to Skt tatra in Malayalam recitation?

 

The part "-tra" must be pronounced as such, because Hermann Gundert, who

gives the Roman phonetic transcription of Malayalam words in his

Malayalam-English Dictionary, transcribes as "mantram" for "mantraM" and

"tantram" for "tantraM".

 

Kind regards.

 

Narayan Prasad

 

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"deshpandem" <mmdesh

<INDOLOGY>

Monday, October 27, 2003 1:13 AM

[Y-Indology] Re: varibility of pronounciation in Vedic chanting?

 

 

> Prasad and Rajendran have pointed out important details. One

> avenue to investigate this issue is to see if in Malayalam, PDr

> word final -t appears as -l, while it is retained elsewhere in Tamil

> and other Dravidian languages. Certainly a geminate -tt- does

> not seem to undergo this treatment, and evidently not -ty- as in

> the cited ityartha-. Considering the environments in the cited

> examples, it would seem that Sanskrit t>l in Malayalam recitation

> word-finally as well as before voiceless consonants, but not in

> geminate -tt- and before voiced consonants like -ty-. What

> happens to Skt tatra in Malayalam recitation?

>

> Madhav Deshpande

[Guest guest]

Deshpande is absolutely correct. ityartha does retain

t in Kerala version.Tatra is always tatra. But t in

dhiyo yo na pracodayat indeed becomes dhiyo yo na

pracodayal

Coming to sutrapatha, another form of "Chandas", I

have heard learned scholars pronouncing "bahuvacane

chalyel" umpteen times without slightest hesitation!

Rajendran

 

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Dr.C.Rajendran

Professor of Sanskrit

University of Calicut

Calicut University P.O

Kerala 673 635 Phone: 0494-2401144

Residential address:28/1097,Rajadhani Kumaran Nair Road,

Chevayur, Calicut Kerala 673 017 Phone: 0495-2354 624

 

 

 

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