Asurs of Munda group.

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The Munda asurs of Bihar had forts. They may be the a reminiscence

of forts culture of asuras, as described in Rg Veda.

 

Asuras had a highly developed civilization prior to attacks of Indra.

The Indraic civilization is distinct but was in peaceful- may be,

inferior-cohabitation with asuras. This is evident because, the

weapons required for Indraic civilization were made by asuras.

 

Indraic civilization was somewhat violent. Indra has killed two

important people of asuric civilization even during the peaceful

cohabitation because they have not given what he has asked for- one

is Namuci, who has refused to teach him and another is Puloma, father

of saci, who has refused the hand of his daughter to Indra. Indra

rapes saci, kills Puloma to marry Saci.

 

This clear upper hand of Indra in wars has been apparent because the

asuric civilization lacks a class of warriors.

 

The asuras have had forts and cities but unfortunately for them, they

lacked in war skills (making weapons only means they are good in

artisan works, not in war skills) and agriculture.

 

Indra, though not invented cultivation par se, has discovered rice,

which was a definite step in gaining upperhand over the other

civilization. On the other hand, Asuras were pastoral and agriculture

was only wild and definitely, no rice was known to them. (their king

was called Kuyava, wild barley)

 

In ensuing wars, Indra vanquished asuras who have had to undergo

generations of slavery. This slavery and bloodshed and relentless

fighting against Indra has ultimately resulted in creation of Varna,

with political power snatched completely from Asuras(who have become

Brahmins, along with the Angirasas of Indraic civilization). This is

allegorically described in Purusha sukta.

 

On the other hand, these wars have made some Asuras to run away to

other parts of the world- most prominent of them being Iran. This run

away branch has become parsis. From what I can see, we can examine

the idea of Munda Asurs being a branch of run away asuras.

 

Hope the group will examine these ideas.

 

regards,

 

kishore

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I thank the moderator for allowing my previous message through.

 

Asuras means one who is from East. so, if at all sapta sindhu was

the habitation of asuras at the time of Rgveda, did they come from

Bihar (which is in the East) in the first place? (instead of running

away to Bihar, as I have said in my earlier posting)

 

However, I prefer to intrepret this connection of Asurs with as

being worshippers of sun, rather than really coming from the

direction of East.

 

I hope group will discuss this along with other thougts in my

earlier post and arrive at an answer.

 

kishore