Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Sorry for the mistake. Should read: ...at the confluence of Narmada and Kaveri rivers. On 11/8/05, Srinivasan Kalyanaraman <kalyan97 wrote:...Bhimbhetka) -- not far from Omkares'var (at the confluence of Narmada and Tapati rivers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 INDOLOGY, Srinivasan Kalyanaraman <kalyan97@g...> wrote: > > Sorry for the mistake. Should read: ...at the confluence of Narmada and> Kaveri rivers. > > On 11/8/05, Srinivasan Kalyanaraman <kalyan97@g...> The complete message (with corrected name of river) is as follows: A question was raised elsewhere on explaining austro-asiatic in Bharatam. Our monograph (Kalyanaraman and Kelkar, 2005, http://protovedic.blogspot.com http://spaces.msn.com/members/sarasvati97 ) points to the possibility of the presence of austro-asiatic in the Sarasvati civilization area, the saptasindhu region. This presence has been accepted by HH Hock. Kuiper's work on Nahali and munda words in Sanskrit, provides a promising approach to identify the austro-asiatic cultural substratum in the vedic, post-vedic continuum. Many lexemes of Santali/Mundarica/ point to homonyms which may explain, rebus, the Sarasvati hieroglyphs related to furnaces, minerals, metals and alloys. In fact, the entire corpus of 4000 epigraphs with over 400 'signs' and over 100 'pictorial motifs' seem to relate only to this category. SK Chatterjee thought Munda was the substratum for austro-asiatic. This can form a starting hypothesis for further studies to unravel the interactions among munda-dravidian-indo-aryan dialects in a linguistic area starting from 6500 BCE to 500 BCE. A long time-span indeed. The start date of 6500 BCE relates to the find of the burial of a woman at Mehergarh wearing wide s'ankha bangle and s'ankha ornaments. (s'ankha = turbinella pyrum which is native and indigenous to the coastline of bharatam and an industry which continues even today in Gulf of Mannar (Tiruchendur, Ki_r..akkarai) and the s'ankha dvi_pa near Surat, Gujarat. S'ankha is a metaphor which defines early hindu civilization and the work of riverine, maritime people in evolving this civilization from Nahali base (Tapati river valley not far from Bhimbhetka) -- not far from Omkares'var (at the confluence of Narmada and Tapati rivers). Why Om- in Omkares'var? Could be related to the s'ankha naada, om. Another language metaphor of extroardinary profundity in hindu ethos and traditions. Yes, we have to continue the work started by the late Sudhibhushan Bhattacharjee whose works have been cited in our monograph. We have to continue the work of scholars like Dr. Balasubramanian who have unraveled the mysteries of the non-rusting Delhi iron pillar attesting to the unparalleled excellence of bharatiya metallurgy. The word bharatiyo itself means 'caster of metals' in Gujarati. This cannot be mere coincidence. The question of austro-asiatic has to be related to the early civilizational advance in Bharatam from 7th millennium to the sea- faring peoples of the hindumahasagar parivar. This may explain why there was an eastward bali yaatra and the setting up of Angkor Wat (Nagara Vatika), the largest vishnu mandiram in the world. Studies of Nahali > Nagari > Marathi may yield some insights into the nature of interactions between chalcolithic and neolithic cultures north and south of the vindhya, respectively. The philological challenge is to provide voice to the paintings on Bhimbhetka caves. Even Sankalia called a painting on one of the caves a representation of Krishna, wielding a cakra and riding a chariot. Of course, there are paintings showing ponies (maybe, equus sivalensis, may be of the type of Shetland pony with 34 ribs mentioned in the Rigveda or of Spanish barb). What was the bronze ratha found at Daimabad called by the makers of that civilizational site? Why are two birds shown astride the yoke? What does this metaphor of the chariot denote in terms of the yajna tradition or metallurgical tradition? Soma? What soma? It could be electrum, like assem (s'm) in ancient Egyptian or somnakay as in Gypsy or soma man.al 'sand containing silver ore' in Tamil. What soma? Metal. What yajna? Early smelting processes. If we start with a framework devoid of ideology and assumed invasions, we may be able to provide a picture of continuity from the days of munda presence in saptasindhu region. Dhanyavaadah. Addendum on ak, sak, s'ankha: property, monetary unit, cultural metaphor: Patrick Ryan: For whatever it may be worth to however few, my own work suggests the most ancient word I can reconstruct for 'property' was *HHA-KXHO, 'sea-shell', reflected in, among other languages, PIE *e:ik-, Sumerian ak,and Egyptian jx.t. cybalist/message/41940 This is a remarkable insight from Patrick Ryan. Thanks, Patrick. In our view, this authenticates protovedic continuity theory since s'ankha is related to an industry and a cultural metaphor of extraordinary significance for bharatam janam. Is sangam in Tamil relatable to s'ankha in Vedic (s'ankha kr.s'a_nah 's'ankha bowman' -- Rigveda, Atharvaveda) and to sak 'conch' (Santali)? Sanga is a priest in Sumerian; sanghvi_ is a pilgrim-leader in Gujarati. No wonder s'ankha nidhi is one of the nava-nidhi of Kubera. In Sumerian -*ak* *numeric suffix* /Götz (ng>k) http://www.turulmadar.hu/hunok/Szum-a.html Cowries (<kaud.i in Hindi) could be early numeric counters; cowries later become monetary units. Sumerian form 'ak' is relatable to sak 'conch, turbinella pyrum' (Santali) The surprising find by Kenoyer is that turbinella pyrum is indigenous to hindumahasagar, and is a species which does not occur anywhere else excepting Makran coast (south of Karachi), Gulf of Kutch, Gulf of Khambat and Gulf of Mannar (Ki_r..akkarai, Tiruchendur). Hence, names such as s'ankha dvi_pa (Skt.), s'angu kul.ittal 'pearl diving' (Ta.) The early words for s'ankha in bharatiya languages: 1423 *Ma. kakka* shell, cockle. *Te. kaki cippa* a bivalve shell. *Kol. kake * (Kin.) shellfish, (Pat., p. 35) *shell* of snail. *Nk. kake* shellfish, snail. / ? Cf. Skt. *kakini-, kakini-* a small coin; (*lex.*) the shell *Cypraea moneta.* * * *ka_kin.i_ *f. a small coin or a small sum of money equal to twenty Kapardas or cowries , or to a quarter of a Pan.a Pancat. Das. ; a seed of the Abrus precatorius used as a weight ; the shell Cypraea moneta or a cowrie used as a coin. cokak, coklak = shell; gongha = snail's shell (Santali) sak, sa~k ghonga, sa~k rokoc = a conch (Santali) *s'an:khaka_ra, s'an:khaka_raka* shell-worker (Skt.); *sa~_k(h)a_ri* maker of conch-shell bracelets (B.); *san:kha_ri* shell-worker (Or.) (CDIAL 12265). *san:kha,sankha* a wrist ornament made of shell worn by women (Santali.lex .) *Image: conch*: *s'an:kha* conch-shell (AV.); *s'an:khaka* (MBh.); *san:kha*conch, mother-of-pearl (Pali); *sam.kha* conch (Pkt.); *sam.khiya_* small conch (Pkt.); *san:ghi_* a kind of bracelet (S.); *sa~_kh* conch-shell (B.); *sa~_kha_, sa~_ka_, se~kha_*conch bracelet (B.); *san:kha_* (Or.); *sa_m.kha* conch-shell (OAw.); *san:kh* (H.); *sak-a, hak-a* (Si.); *san:khu* conch (S.); *sa~_kh, sa~_k* (Ku.)(CDIAL 12263). *s'a_n:khini_, s'an:khini_* mother-of-pearl (Skt.)(CDIAL 12380). *ha_ngi* snail (K.); * sa~_khi* possessing or made of shells (B.); *ho~gi* pearl oyster shell, shell of any aquatic mollusc (K.); *ha_ngi* snail (K.)(CDIAL 12380). *can:ku * chank, conch, large convolute shell, *turbinella pyrum*, of four kinds: * it.am-puri, valam-puri, calacalam, pa_cacan- n-iyam* (*Tiv. Periyati. 1,8,1*); *s'an:khutiri* cork-screw; *can:ku- p-par-aiyar* a pariah sub-caste whose men act as conch-blowers at funerals; *can: ku-val.ai <http://ku-val.ai>*shell-bracelets ( *Net.unal. 36, Urai*); *can:ku_ti* convener of a village committee for settling disputes (*G.Sm.D. I,i,181*); conch-blower ( Ta.lex.) *Wristlet*: * sakom* a wristlet; *san:kha* a wristlet of shell (Santali.lex.) *Image: bracelet*: s*an:katam* bracelet worn on the upper arm (*Tiruvil.ai< http://Tiruvil.ai>. Ma_n.ik. 12*)(Ta.); s*an:katam* id. (Ma.); s*an:kata* (Ka.Skt.); s*an:gadamu * (Te.) (T.E.D.) http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/Indian% 20Lexicon/shell.htm<http://www.hindunet\ ..org/saraswati/Indian%20Lexicon/shell.ht> The earliest s'ankha artefacts have been reported from a burial at Mehergarh, dated stratigraphically to 6500 BCE. And, this s'ankha bangle-making, conch-making industry continues to the present day in bharatam. This was a PhD thesis of Prof. Kenoyer and exquisite photographs have been presented in his Ancient Cities of the Indus Valley. http://spaces.msn.com/members/sarasvati97 has an album which includes the photo of a s'ankha bowman operating in Kolkata producing s'ankha bangles without which no Bengali marriage is complete ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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