Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 Dear Tatwamasi you are very right I am again telling about my exp, which i earlier told in old club.<br><br> I wandered a lot in search of a guru. First time, i made one my guru, but his rich chelas never allowed me to talk to him in person and i can not treat a leader of crowd as my guru who has no time for my personal sadhna questions.<br><br>Then I went to another, who was interested in getting money in name of asharam or charity. I did not get moksha but my purse became empty and i ran away<br><br>The third I got at Haridwar, who was more interested in giving Mukti to his chelas by sodomy. i survived and left further search.<br><br> Now i am simply chanting Shiva japa for three years and doing fine. I in fact do not need a guru, as shiva japa is giving me all what i needed<br>peace and happiness.<br><br> Ofcourse, sadhna club worked as my guru too, where i got valuable information on practical aspects of sadhna.<br><br> My question is do we really need guru ??? Cant we do it ourselves ? <br><br>vinod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 Vinodji!<br>You ask, do we really need guru ??? Cant we do it ourselves ? <br><br>i think we get wrapped up in the word guru sometimes. Lets call him/her teacher. So, you want to learn chess? Fine! We buy a book and get rudimentary instruction. We know the moves. We know how to play (i use this example because i learned chess at 8 yrs old this way). We play with our friends and think ourselves quite good after a while. Or at least i did. Then i was offered to play in a chess tournament with the US Chess Federation. Oh my Goddddd! i got my ass kicked!!!!! There is a conclusion...books dont do it alone. Here, we have two choices, practice or a teacher. i practiced alone for years (20) and i got SLOWLY better only when i got my ass kicked. Then one day after a brutal beating had the my opponent explain my faults. He had a great rating and was wise beyond his years. (16)My eyes opened wider than ever because i missed many of my mistakes which were do to ego. (Yeah, he'll never see this combination! Right...) <br><br>Many chess players are not so kind, they kick your ass and move on snickering at your stupidity. They play for name and fame. Once in a while though you get that teacher who lets you practice and teaches you. Name and fame mean nothing to them, they play for the love of the game. That boy took YEARS off my game and taught me a love for chess that went beyond winning and losing. <br><br>Vinodji, i could have played until i died and not be as good as those few months with that teacher. He cut me no slack. It was his pleasure that i got better and his desire was that i would one day beat him. (And when i did, only once mind you, he said, "very good, now lets try it blindfolded...")<br><br>Again, point is that the real teacher is rare, but out there somewhere. The teacher may be male, female, old or a small child. Don't fall prey to wolves in saffron and find that teacher that wants to teach you as badly as you want to learn. Maybe even more so.<br><br>Does this make sense? i find personal experience makes a complicated situation a little clearer to understand.<br><br>aim gurave namah<br><br>>:*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 i think we should not worry. When time comes guru will be sent by god, like Paramhansa and yogananada got gurus<br><br>and till that time we should continue with whatever we know.<br><br>Guru not necessarily means one particular person taking us on the path, it may be a group of many we meet and learn from.<br><br>sai ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 Very true.<br><br>I agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 Respected sushma<br><br>I fully agree with your views.<br><br>Thanks.<br><br>kumbhokona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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