Moksha (part 1)

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Dear Peggyhand,<br><br>you wrote:<br><br><<

hrmmmmm. "Believing is not enough. You need to know."

<br>i agree 100% that this is of course the best way.

But again, to know would mean to return to this

mortal coil after death "to do the math."

>><br><br>I don't think, that you are right with that. What

is Jnana? Isn't it knowing? Doesn't GOD know? If you

don't now that you are then you are not and there is

nothing that can NOT be. Believe me, you will KNOW. There

is no state in the evolution of the soul in that is

not-knowing present. You will always be conscious of

yourSELF.<br><br><< i spent many many years living among the Germans

and i found them to be exacting and methodical. My

son was taught religion in the Grundschule, something

that does not happen here in the US. Crosses of Lord

Jesus abound everywhere to include the highest

peaks.(Sounds like an anthropologist describing a third world

country, sorry.) >><br><br>So what?<br>You do not

really want to judge my words according to that, want

you?<br><br>Sorry, for being German. Don't believe us. We are all

the same. *lol*<br><br><< My point is, most of

us are raised INTO a religion or faith. Yes, there

may come a time when we abandon that faith for

another or stop believing altogether, but when troubles

are severe enough, it tends to 'pop back up' again

>><br><br>Sorry, I have never been a Christ and am not baptized at

all so this can't apply to me. <br>I am an

Universalist and that's all. I have made some Advaita

experiences and so I know but have no access anymore to that

state because those experiences were

spontaneous.<br><br><< You can not fault the people who flock to holy

dhams to die for hopes of moksha. >><br><br>Why

not? "Holy" dhams? I would call them superstitious

dhams. <br>If everybody believes that Kali is the

highest Goddess and do human sacrifices for her, they

would certainly tell you that they do only follow their

holy dham. Don't you think that if you fault them then

that you are right? <br>This is only a general

comparison. I have no respect for so-called "holy" dhams when

they are untrue. Even if they are practised for

thousands of years.<br>If nobody would ever have tried to

eliminate the untruth and always would have flocked to the

"holy dhams" could you imagine where we then would be

now? Think about that.<br><br><< Because from

time to time we are reminded that we must die one day

and that day is always unexpected. It is a scary

thought in of itself, but if we also were taught of an

afterlife or the results of our karmic activities, well,

brrrrrrrr >><br><br>Hmmmm, I can only conclude from

that that you are afraid to die. But why? Because

there are some people who told you that there are 33

over- and under realms? And that you are judged when

you die? And perhaps do come in the 33rd under realm

or such nonsense (sorry, blueraybird, BTW, the other

things that you stated about extraphysical learning,

etc. are true, indeed)?<br>Aren't you spiritual? If

you haven't overcome the fear of death then what have

you done in your spiritual development? Perhaps too

long flocked to "holy dhams" ;-)?<br><br><< I

read that book you recommended. >><br><br>You

don't want to tell me that you have read it? In few

hours? How many pages have you read? In my opinion you

have barely skimmed it, haven't you? But I'm afraid

that this strategy in order to understand it, as I

previously have already stated, NOT appropriate. It is not

possible. Don't do yourself a disservice. Read it from

start to end before forming any judgment. <br>You

think, you don't need it? <br>I highly doubt that. It

gives answers to all your questions. Be it spiritually

or worldly. But you have to read it and not just

"read" it :-)<br><br>- end of part 1 -