Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Uma your question is very important. In theory everything seems in place, but putting an idea into practice is the real sadhna. Since we are at present in this human body we have to see if our sadhna is helping us discharge our duties in this body effectively or not. A Bad human being can not become a sadhaka. Reading about the Excellent does not take us to HIM. I remember one story. There was a poor panditji. His wife one day rebuked him," You lazy one, sitting idle at home. You can at least go to the king and get some money by reciting some sacred verses before him.<br>Pandit decided to recite Bhagwatam to the king and reached his court. The king was very learned one and respected all learned pandits. When our pandit desired to recite Bhagwatam, the king smiled and asked, " Panditji have you understood Bhagwatam well?"<br><br>Pandit thought and said," No sir but I will come next week fully prepared"<br><br>Pandit reached home and re-read Bhagwatam, marked important passages with their meanings and went to the court and requested the king to listen Bhjagwatam from him.<br><br>The King again smiled and said," I feel you still have not understood well the bhagwatam...pls come next week fully prepared"<br><br>Pandit was disappointed. He reached home and re-read Bhagwatam, He carefully noted the difficult Sanskrit words and their meanings and noted the cross -references and confidentally went to the king and told the king that he was now ready to recite.<br><br>The King said," But I still feel you are not capable of recitation". The Pandit felt insulted and decided to return home and re-prepare his reciting.<br><br>After a month, the king asked his minister why pandit has not returned. Let us go to his house and see what happened.<br><br>When the king reached Pandit's house he saw Pandit was sitting with Bhagwatam before him. His eyes were fixed on nothing and he was repeating the sacred verses. In between he would cry "O Krishna when will i meet you !" and tears would roll down his cheeks. He paid no attention to the king and continued his recitation. His face was radiant and impressive. On being asked by the king as to why he did not come to the court he replied," Oh why should i waste time for a few coins from you, my Krishna is waiting for me and time left is too short."<br><br> The king sat near his feet and said," O learned one, now you have understood Bhagwatam. Please sing the sacred verses for me".<br><br>Hari Om Tat Sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Dear silentsouji,<br><br>Your post is also very interesting. <br><br>But I have one question - <br><br>Every human being is born with the Atman within himself. The Atman is the part of the Paramatman.<br><br>Then how come that part of Paramatman forces a human being to lead bad life.<br><br>Or there are different source of from where the Atman comes like we believe in the western world that there are Holy Spirits and Evil Spirits.<br><br>In Mahabharata I found that Judhistara reach heaven after taking so much strain. But when he reached heave he found Juryodhona - the bad personality of the Mahabharata reached the heaven before judhisthira.<br><br>Is it also the Lila of the Creator?<br><br>with regards.<br><br>nathyogin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 This is a very wise question. In fact this question itself created religions and was responsible for creation of Upanishadas.<br><br> Since there are 5 major path of religion viz. Gyana, Karma, Raja etc. and Bhakti and a separate path of Tantra. Each path has a different explanation for vice and virtue, sin and sinner, good and bad.<br><br>Gyana Yoga : By the definition of Gyana Yoga the Atma is unattached and these are three Gunas of Nature which are producing enourmous combinations some of which are good, some bad. A Gyan Yogi unattaches itself from Prakriti and remains in pure form without vice or virtue. A gyani does not bind himself with the Prakriti (Nature), whose manifestation is this universe and his body.<br><br>Karma Yogi believes, whatever bad or satanic is coming to him, is in fact the outcome of his own past karma. He sees the Ahankaar doing Karma and facing the consequences. He thus does his Karma without attaching himself to their fruits.<br><br>A Bhakta takes it as HIS leela and is not worried about vice and virtue. He feels God is either testing him or is making him stronger by giving him troubles.<br><br>A Raja Yogi takes it as his past samsakaras coming from chitta and effecting his buddhi. He forcibly controls his vrittis and comes out of this whirpool of vice and virtue.<br><br>A Tantrik knows it as Mother shakti producing two equal forces of Positive and Negative, both working on him. He by worshipping the positive energies, anihilates the negative and feel free.<br><br> Now one, as per one's mental programming, can take either of the above as the reason of vice and its remedies. And all of them are TRUE. Even all others can be viewed correctly through either of the above explanation. They are interwoven and interlinked.<br><br>Hari Om Tat Sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Dear Silent Soul,<br><br>Very wonderful story. Very inspiring.<br><br>Here is another one about the Srimad Bhagavatam that is worthy of some reflection.<br><br>Once a Brahmin sent his son to Gaudadesha to study the Srimad Bhagavatam. His son dutifully went and studied very diligently. After some time (maybe a year or so) he returned. His father asked him, "So, have you learned the Srimad Bhagavatam?" His son replied, "Yes, father, I have studied long and hard and I have understood the Srimad Bhagavatam." His father told him, "Please go back and study further."<br><br>His son was disappointed, but he dutifully went to study further. He studied long and hard. Finally he returned again and his father asked him again, "do you now understand the Srimad Bhagavatam?" He replied to his father, "Father, I understand why you sent me back to study further. I really did not understand previously, but now I am sure I have understood." His father said to him, "Please go again to study the Srimad Bhagavatam."<br><br>His son was perplexed, but being a dutiful son he went back for further study. Again he studied long and hard and after a very long time he finally returned to his father. His father asked him, "Son, do you now understand the Srimad Bhagavatm?" His son ,with tears in his eyes, replied, "I am sorry father, I have studied long and hard and I find that I cannot understand the Srimad Bhagavatam." His father embraced him and welcomed him home. (And for us baseball fans - we were sure glad that he didn't take that third strike).<br><br>sincerely,<br>Audarya lila dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Thank you all very much for the stories. This reminds me of a story Shri Ramakrishna once told. Gita recital was going on and a man sitting outside was elated. A pundit approcahed him and asked if understood what was going on. The man said no he didnot but the very fact that he could visualize Shri Krishna saying those words to Arjuna was enough for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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