What should one DO? (2)answer/part2

[Guest guest]

cont.<br><br>Now to answer some of your

questions.<br><br><<absolute truth is known as advaya jnana tattva - non

dual

conciousness>><br><br>isn't this quote of yours in line with the idea of

removal of you and i ?<br><br><br>It is only in line with

the idea of removal of the false sense of you and I

as it relates to identifying ourselves as seperate

from Krsna. Your conception of non-dual seems to deny

the possiblity of spiritual diversity. This material

plane is the plane of duality - if we think of material

life and misidentification of ourselves with these

bodies and minds as negative numbers - then dissolving

this misconception will bring us to zero - but that is

not the end. There is a world of positive numbers -

the spiritual world.<br><br><<God is always in

the super subjective plane >><br><<Krsna

says that he always exist and we also always existed

and will continue to do so as unique

individuals>><br>from the above quotes, either krsna is not the god

mentioned in the first quote or there is a difference in

'point of view' in both the statements. please

clarify.<br><br>No contradiction here. Krsna is the supreme eternal

amonst all eternals. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam.

Krsna is god and his is a person, the Supreme

person.<br><br>you said:<br>'Especially the use of principles of one

approach CANNOT be used to contradict the principles of

another when the ultimate goal achieved is

same.'<br><br>Granted. But as I have stated in my previous reply - our

goal is not the same.<br><br><<It is really the

you and I that facilitates beauty and

love>><br>agreed<br>but there are different approaches<br>either you go

for beauty and love as the goal<br>which may be a

digression for people wanting to go straight for the final

goal which dissolves all the sense of you and i, the

ultimate expression of love and beauty.<br><br>my reponse

to this is, again, we disagree on the final goal.

The ultimate expression of love and beauty is Krsna.

All aspects of divinity are characterized by sat

(eternity), chit (knowledge), and ananda (bliss) - but each

one will exhibit these qualities in different

degrees. The vaishnava perspective is that Bhagavan is the

conception of reality that is full in ananda - love and

beauty.<br><br>In regard to my familiarity to Advaita philosophy I

have to admit that I am not well read. I follow the

precepts of Lord Chaitanya and his followers and I

gravitate toward devotional texts and interpretations of

Vedic literature. I read Vedic literatures with the

goal of improving my own bhajana. Bhakti requires an

object of love and a vessel of that love (ashraya and

vishaya). Non-devotional literatures that promote the

advaita conception don't facilitate or enhance the

development of my love for Krnsa, so I don't have much

attraction for them. I know that you and others get great

inspiration from them and that is good - but as I said before

- we really have different goals in

mind.<br><br>Your servant (and friend)<br>Audarya lila dasa

[Guest guest]

Shrimaan audarya lila dasa ji,<br>thanks for your

detailed reply.<br>Some of the still unclear things that

crop to mind immediately are ---<br><br>--<<God

is always in the super subjective plane

>><br><<Krsna says that he always exist and we also always

existed and will continue to do so as unique

individuals>><br>it is still not clear to me , how you have managed

to reconcile both these statements of yours. Can you

specify what you mean by 'super subjective plane'? may be

that will clear any misunderstanding.<br><br>--as to

your assertion that our goals are different, i beg to

differ, but that cannot be argued upon and would not

yield anything. <br><br>--<<my reponse to this

is, again, we disagree on the final goal. The

ultimate expression of love and beauty is Krsna. All

aspects of divinity are characterized by sat (eternity),

chit (knowledge), and ananda (bliss) - but each one

will exhibit these qualities in different degrees. The

vaishnava perspective is that Bhagavan is the conception of

reality that is full in ananda - love and

beauty.>><br><br>could you specify what is the final goal for a

vaishnava in your eyes, this was not made clear in your

post. Is it to maintain the seperateness with the

supreme so as to enjoy satchitananda ?<br><br>yours truly

[Guest guest]

The terms I was taught are

Sat----being,Chit------awareness,Ananda----bliss. Although similar sometimes

slight differences in

terminology shed new light on a subject. Yours in love and

peace. Rob.