Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 I never know what Im gonna dream, but when I wake up I remember my dream like as if it had just happened. Once I was flying down the express way on my bed and almost got pulled over by cops. In another dream I was at the beach and some people were attacked by a huge shark all I could do was watch the poor people get attacked. Ive had nightmares and dreams of sex. I dream of money and waves, health and stuff and it all seems more important and more realistic than the real reality itself. Is my life nothing but dreamtime? So many dreams that seem they got nothing to do with reality, or do they? My real reality sucks, my backbone hurts, Ive got no money nor the desire to work, now Ive become an antisocial, when I talk with girls I think they think Im ugly and that Im never gonna score, I feel like such a looser. I guess the only things that keep me going on with my life are God, my parents, surfing and my dreams. Why is it so hard to learn yoga when you got no money? If my mind was like a computer I feel like I can't control it. I think I am surrounded by more bad than good. What does life mean? What is the real meaning of life? And how do I fit in all that? Am I just like a little grain of sand thats one day going to disapear into who knows where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 Om Shanti<br><br>possibly this charming poem would be interesting in terms of Maya as a Dream and a feature of our lives. <br><br>"Take this kiss upon the brow!<br>And, in parting from you now,<br>Thus much let me avow:<br>You are not wrong, who deem<br>That my days have been a dream;<br>Yet, if hope has flown away<br>In a night, or in a day,<br>In a vision, or in none, <br>Is it there the less gone?<br>Is but a dream within a dream.<br><br>I stand amid the roar<br>Of a surf-tormentd shore,<br>And i hold within my hand<br>Grains of the golden sand--<br>How few! Yet how they creep<br>Through the finders to the deep,<br>While i weep--while i weep!<br>O God! can I not grasp<br>Them with a tighter clasp?<br>O God! can i not save<br>One from the pitiless wave?<br>Is all that we see or seem<br>But a dream within a dream?"<br><br>--A Dream within a Dream by Eagar A. Poe.<br><br>Om Shanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 If I can venture to speak here...even though there are many more learned members of this club...<br><br>We are *all* but little grains of sand in the desert. We are all but tiny droplets of water in the ocean. Or, as one of the members here put it, one tiny note in a symphony. But what makes it so special is that you are not the only grain of sand or drop of water or musical note. You are surrounded by others who take up just the same amount of space (we're all droplets of water) as you do, and who have God in them as well. So you are not alone, no matter how alone you may feel.<br><br>How you fit into this symphony isn't a question that anyone can answer but God. It's up to you to figure that out, and many people never figure that out in this life. My only advice is to keep focusing on God and the answer will (eventually) come. Be patient and alert and you'll receive the answers you seek.<br><br>I don't have much money myself and I'm learning yoga. It's changing my life, too. If you have the true desire and an open heart God will help you learn what you need to learn in this life. Know that.<br><br>May God bless you, indietekk.<br><br>Om Shanti, <br>Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Both postings included valuable information and my mother will appreciate much. I am trying now though to understand what are the stages of lucidity and lightness when we have nice dreams. Would it be possible that dreams where we fly and float in the air are results of good karma? Do they reflect the sattvic quality of the mind or do they have to do something about the astral? I wonder in which way are they related to the progress of a sadhaka. Perhaps a person who sees nightmares is more advanced than one who has enchanting dreams?? , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > As i wrote in my earlier post Dreams and sadhna, Dreams do play an > important role in the life of sadhka. > > For every person, the old karma are arranged in such a way that > those karma, for which this life has been awarded remain on the > surface to give fruits and other karma which are not yet ripe remain > inactive in the sub-conscious. These inactive portions only surface > when there is sudden change in circumstances and these sanskaras are > needed to act. > > However in the life of a sadhka, when Sushumna is trying to open > and when Kundalini starts sending pure energy currents into Sushumna > nadi, the setting of vrittis/sanskaras change. As a natural process, > all the seeds of karma which have to give bad results start surfacing > fast, as if attracted by the pure energy of the kundalini. This > phenomenon is called purification. When these bad vrittis surface up > and are destroyed by the pure energy of kundalini, they disintegrate > giving out harful toxins...thus giving unexplained illness or even > some very common problems like itching of body or indigestion or bad > cold/flu etc. Most of the Hathha yoga exercise contorl these toxins > through yoga asanaas etc. > > Now there are some smaller vrittis which have to give small bad > results, they need not produce harmful toxins and are destroyed in > dreams. The mental tension, the fear etc which one was destined to > undergo in real life, is changed into dream and the mind feels these > fears, tensions, sorrows in the dream. Hence each bad dream seen by > a sadhaka is in fact destruction of small real life tragedy. When > sadhana becomes intensified and when kundalini starts sending large > amount of pure energies into the system, even the bigger sanskaras > are destroyed in dreams. > > Dreams of the nature of seeing monsters following us, or seeing > ourselves attacked or burnt or injured clearly indicate that such a > bad vritti has been destroyed and it can be taken as a sign of > progress by the sadhaka. > > This purification process is not time-bound. The more the > sadhana, the more will be purification. Bad sansakaras from many > other births (which otherwise could have stayed silently) start > surfacing up. This phenomenon is the reason behind many questions as > to why good people suffer more. a sadhaka's whole life goes into > purification and if he is not correctly analyzing them and is > reacting to these purifications, in a wrong way, he would create more > bad sanskaras. > > A Bhakta is normally saved from this position, as he takes all > what he is getting as LOve of the divine and does not react towards a > person for his woes. A gyani understands the chemistry of his woes, > and remains unattached. If a guru is present, he would guide the > disciple in this regard and will save him from further woes. > > Bad vrittis and negative energies are more powerful always though > shortlived. It is not easy to get rid of them without undergoing > their punishment. As per Hindu philosophy there is no escape from > the punishment. Even Incarnations of god had to undergo this > punishment in human life. But our sadhna can dilute the > results....and seeing bad dreams by a sadhka is in fact a dilution of > such sin, and its reduced punishment. > > Hari AUM > > > > > , "Sidha_Ho" <sidaho@h...> wrote: > > Some good questions, and I would like to say on dreams that when I > have very intense meditations I usually also have bad dreams. It > does in fact have to do with karma. You see, only through incurring > with the mind that which is beyond the mind does one free oneself > from karma. When one frees from karma one sometimes feels an > external darkness which is the karma now separated from you. All > karma feels dark even the good karma because they are all bondage. So > one feels like a dark force is trying to get you. It really is just > karma trying to get back to you but it feels black because well it > is. Sadhana is clear and beyond gunas. When gunas try to get back > at you even sattva guna feels dark. Dreams are when mind is most > care free and symbols will make these ideas more clear. Noone wants > karmas back when study of God/dess has set them free. People > therefore dream of death dying, shit, dirt, hate, all the things that > have been let go of. It is ok. It's just dreams. They were just > stress release anyway. the only reason she might even care is there > is more awareness now so she sees wher dreams more completely. > > > > Take all shaktipat you can get and worry in your next life if it > was too much. > > - > > de_spell_2000 > > > > Monday, April 08, 2002 2:23 PM > > Re: Kundalini ?? > > > > > > My mother asked me a question lately when I read to her the > postings > > of the club about kundalini. She has been doing intensive sadhna > > since 10 years and she was wondering why she has had so many > problems > > with meditation. She mentioned that even though she had very nice > > dreams with wondeful melodies and OBEs, since she started sadhna > she > > stopped having nice dreams and OBEs and she had only nightmares. > I > > told her that its weird as people usually become more consious of > the > > sleep when they start to meditate, but it might have to do with > the > > chakras being cleared perhaps. Any comments? > > > > Another thing that I would like to ask is about raising the > kundalini > > through external means. Is this actually OK? When I say external > > means I mean for example hatha yoga etc or especially that a yogi > > raises the kundalini of a person so that the person can meditate > > easily. There are schools of kundalini yoga where the teacher > uses > > his psychic powers to raise the kundalini of the student. It is > > something really attractive because who wouldnt prefer to do > this, > > instead of struggling alone and working hard in meditation? But > my > > question is, is it good? without any dangers whatsoever? > > > > PS: The chat was really wonderful last saturday about truth. I am > > looking forward to the next chat! > > > > Namaste! > > > > , "tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > >>Would it not be better to eradicate the very root of the > > > bloackage? What i mean to ask is if it is necessary for a > sadhaka > > to > > > clear his chakra by these temporary means, or should he just go > for > > > his sadhna and let the chakra get cleaned > automatically. .....what > > > would be better ??>> > > > > > > Yes, as I mentioned in my post, Master Choa Kuk Sui recommends > a > > > combination of such temporal measures with more permanent ones > > which > > > root out the causes of the disease. Since disease in this > model, > > like > > > the principles of Ayurveda, is considered psychosomatic, it is > not > > > possible to remove disease without working at the root level. > > > > > > I have personally watched the power of Pranic Healing of > bringing > > > people away from the operating tables, or removing symtoms of > major > > > diseases. The problem which I have also seen, is that many > people > > are > > > unwilling to make the effort required to make the personal > changes > > in > > > their living and are looking for quick fixes and external > > solutions. > > > Conscious living or changing attitudes which are harmful and > > hurtful > > > are not easy. The first step in fact is often the hardest; > > > acknowledging that we are co-creators of our state of dis- ease! > > > > > > Sadhna as in meditation techniques or puja rituals are > extremely > > > important instruments in removing the root causes of disease. > This > > > has to be accompanied by application of the principles being > > inbibed > > > in ones sadhna to be able to make it completely effective. > > > > > > People are of course free to choose the path they wish. Whether > > they > > > want a combination of healing, spiritual practices and > conscious > > > living or just one or two of these, all determine the rate at > which > > > they remove the blocks to their self- realization. Ultimately, > of > > > course, it is past baggage that determines what is likely to be > > > effective or not. As in medical sciences, the same procedure > may > > work > > > wonders in one while fail in another. > > > > > > _/\_ Tat twam asi > > > > > > Uma > > > > > > > > > ********************************************* > > > This is a reply to post 3631 by silentsoul_55 > > > ********************************************* > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 whatever i have been writing about dreams applies only to the sadhaka, who are doing any meditation continuously, not for others who are leading a non-sadhaka life. Muladhara chakra (base) where kundalini normally rests, plays an important role in meditation. There is lot of Tamoguna present in this chakra as also memories from the last births. Our will to live in this body and our love for this body creates pure Tamoguna which sits in this chakra at appropriate level and is responsible for sticking together the Astral bodies with physical body. This pure form of Tamoguna works as a glue which binds physical body with Astral body (a combination of Manomaya body,vigyan body,Anandmaya body and pranic body). With continuous meditation this Tamoguna in Muladhara loses its grip and the bond between two bodies become weaker. The first effect of this is seen in dreams, when we see dreams of flying/floating. When more of this Tamoguna goes away, the effects are seen during the hours of meditation, when one feels floating in the air with full consciousness. It is all a play of consciousness. Everyone goes on Astral planes during sleep, only those who are conscious of such a journey know it is happening/it happened. And meditation certainly helps in awakening this consciousness. After spell of bad dreams, a short spell of good dreams is also observed which normally indicates end of a particular purification...but this does not mean whole purification has completed. In fact whole life, till one is fully enlightenement, this game of woes and happiness, good dreams and bad dreams continues. Even if we do not care for them, they continue...but if we know their significance it certainly helps in understanding where we stand. Hari Aum , "de_spell_2000" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > Both postings included valuable information and my mother will > appreciate much. > > I am trying now though to understand what are the stages of lucidity > and lightness when we have nice dreams. Would it be possible that > dreams where we fly and float in the air are results of good karma? > Do they reflect the sattvic quality of the mind or do they have to do > something about the astral? I wonder in which way are they related to > the progress of a sadhaka. > > Perhaps a person who sees nightmares is more advanced than one who > has enchanting dreams?? > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > As i wrote in my earlier post Dreams and sadhna, Dreams do play an > > important role in the life of sadhka. > > > > For every person, the old karma are arranged in such a way that > > those karma, for which this life has been awarded remain on the > > surface to give fruits and other karma which are not yet ripe > remain > > inactive in the sub-conscious. These inactive portions only > surface > > when there is sudden change in circumstances and these sanskaras > are > > needed to act. > > > > However in the life of a sadhka, when Sushumna is trying to open > > and when Kundalini starts sending pure energy currents into > Sushumna > > nadi, the setting of vrittis/sanskaras change. As a natural > process, > > all the seeds of karma which have to give bad results start > surfacing > > fast, as if attracted by the pure energy of the kundalini. This > > phenomenon is called purification. When these bad vrittis surface > up > > and are destroyed by the pure energy of kundalini, they > disintegrate > > giving out harful toxins...thus giving unexplained illness or even > > some very common problems like itching of body or indigestion or > bad > > cold/flu etc. Most of the Hathha yoga exercise contorl these > toxins > > through yoga asanaas etc. > > > > Now there are some smaller vrittis which have to give small bad > > results, they need not produce harmful toxins and are destroyed in > > dreams. The mental tension, the fear etc which one was destined to > > undergo in real life, is changed into dream and the mind feels > these > > fears, tensions, sorrows in the dream. Hence each bad dream seen > by > > a sadhaka is in fact destruction of small real life tragedy. When > > sadhana becomes intensified and when kundalini starts sending large > > amount of pure energies into the system, even the bigger sanskaras > > are destroyed in dreams. > > > > Dreams of the nature of seeing monsters following us, or seeing > > ourselves attacked or burnt or injured clearly indicate that such a > > bad vritti has been destroyed and it can be taken as a sign of > > progress by the sadhaka. > > > > This purification process is not time-bound. The more the > > sadhana, the more will be purification. Bad sansakaras from many > > other births (which otherwise could have stayed silently) start > > surfacing up. This phenomenon is the reason behind many questions > as > > to why good people suffer more. a sadhaka's whole life goes into > > purification and if he is not correctly analyzing them and is > > reacting to these purifications, in a wrong way, he would create > more > > bad sanskaras. > > > > A Bhakta is normally saved from this position, as he takes all > > what he is getting as LOve of the divine and does not react towards > a > > person for his woes. A gyani understands the chemistry of his > woes, > > and remains unattached. If a guru is present, he would guide the > > disciple in this regard and will save him from further woes. > > > > Bad vrittis and negative energies are more powerful always > though > > shortlived. It is not easy to get rid of them without undergoing > > their punishment. As per Hindu philosophy there is no escape from > > the punishment. Even Incarnations of god had to undergo this > > punishment in human life. But our sadhna can dilute the > > results....and seeing bad dreams by a sadhka is in fact a dilution > of > > such sin, and its reduced punishment. > > > > Hari AUM > > > > > > > > > > , "Sidha_Ho" <sidaho@h...> wrote: > > > Some good questions, and I would like to say on dreams that when > I > > have very intense meditations I usually also have bad dreams. It > > does in fact have to do with karma. You see, only through > incurring > > with the mind that which is beyond the mind does one free oneself > > from karma. When one frees from karma one sometimes feels an > > external darkness which is the karma now separated from you. All > > karma feels dark even the good karma because they are all bondage. > So > > one feels like a dark force is trying to get you. It really is > just > > karma trying to get back to you but it feels black because well it > > is. Sadhana is clear and beyond gunas. When gunas try to get back > > at you even sattva guna feels dark. Dreams are when mind is most > > care free and symbols will make these ideas more clear. Noone > wants > > karmas back when study of God/dess has set them free. People > > therefore dream of death dying, shit, dirt, hate, all the things > that > > have been let go of. It is ok. It's just dreams. They were just > > stress release anyway. the only reason she might even care is there > > is more awareness now so she sees wher dreams more completely. > > > > > > Take all shaktipat you can get and worry in your next life if it > > was too much. > > > - > > > de_spell_2000 > > > > > > Monday, April 08, 2002 2:23 PM > > > Re: Kundalini ?? > > > > > > > > > My mother asked me a question lately when I read to her the > > postings > > > of the club about kundalini. She has been doing intensive > sadhna > > > since 10 years and she was wondering why she has had so many > > problems > > > with meditation. She mentioned that even though she had very > nice > > > dreams with wondeful melodies and OBEs, since she started > sadhna > > she > > > stopped having nice dreams and OBEs and she had only > nightmares. > > I > > > told her that its weird as people usually become more consious > of > > the > > > sleep when they start to meditate, but it might have to do with > > the > > > chakras being cleared perhaps. Any comments? > > > > > > Another thing that I would like to ask is about raising the > > kundalini > > > through external means. Is this actually OK? When I say > external > > > means I mean for example hatha yoga etc or especially that a > yogi > > > raises the kundalini of a person so that the person can > meditate > > > easily. There are schools of kundalini yoga where the teacher > > uses > > > his psychic powers to raise the kundalini of the student. It is > > > something really attractive because who wouldnt prefer to do > > this, > > > instead of struggling alone and working hard in meditation? But > > my > > > question is, is it good? without any dangers whatsoever? > > > > > > PS: The chat was really wonderful last saturday about truth. I > am > > > looking forward to the next chat! > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > , "tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > > >>Would it not be better to eradicate the very root of the > > > > bloackage? What i mean to ask is if it is necessary for a > > sadhaka > > > to > > > > clear his chakra by these temporary means, or should he just > go > > for > > > > his sadhna and let the chakra get cleaned > > automatically. .....what > > > > would be better ??>> > > > > > > > > Yes, as I mentioned in my post, Master Choa Kuk Sui > recommends > > a > > > > combination of such temporal measures with more permanent > ones > > > which > > > > root out the causes of the disease. Since disease in this > > model, > > > like > > > > the principles of Ayurveda, is considered psychosomatic, it > is > > not > > > > possible to remove disease without working at the root level. > > > > > > > > I have personally watched the power of Pranic Healing of > > bringing > > > > people away from the operating tables, or removing symtoms of > > major > > > > diseases. The problem which I have also seen, is that many > > people > > > are > > > > unwilling to make the effort required to make the personal > > changes > > > in > > > > their living and are looking for quick fixes and external > > > solutions. > > > > Conscious living or changing attitudes which are harmful and > > > hurtful > > > > are not easy. The first step in fact is often the hardest; > > > > acknowledging that we are co-creators of our state of dis- > ease! > > > > > > > > Sadhna as in meditation techniques or puja rituals are > > extremely > > > > important instruments in removing the root causes of disease. > > This > > > > has to be accompanied by application of the principles being > > > inbibed > > > > in ones sadhna to be able to make it completely effective. > > > > > > > > People are of course free to choose the path they wish. > Whether > > > they > > > > want a combination of healing, spiritual practices and > > conscious > > > > living or just one or two of these, all determine the rate at > > which > > > > they remove the blocks to their self- realization. > Ultimately, > > of > > > > course, it is past baggage that determines what is likely to > be > > > > effective or not. As in medical sciences, the same procedure > > may > > > work > > > > wonders in one while fail in another. > > > > > > > > _/\_ Tat twam asi > > > > > > > > Uma > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************* > > > > This is a reply to post 3631 by silentsoul_55 > > > > ********************************************* > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Namaste beloved members, I have a question with this topic. Silentsoulji, you state that what you are stating about dreams applies only to the sadhaka, and not to others. This point has stuck in my mind. Is it not possible, that a person has been born into their current body and is not leading a spiritual life, but in previous births has? I know that in my as yet short lifetime, I have met many people that I feel this applies to. Most (if not all) have complained of terrible nightmares at one point or another. This discourages any further delving into their own person, simply because it is very frightening. Reincarnation is such an interesting topic, and has fascinated me for a long time. Perhaps I could bring the topic itself up for discussion. With love, Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Many of us were almost saints if not in fact actual saints that people still pray to. However, through simple stupid and careless actions we can slip and fall into samskaric deeds which multiply without end until we have a return upswing of grace from either satsang with great company of wise souls or outright grace of God/Gods, and/or return of good karmas which allow klesha or avidya to thin enough to see light of sun-like being through clouds of ignorance again. Life to enlightenment is like playing scales up and down a guitar neck which makes a harmony of disparate notes. One hopefully ends on a high one. There is no gurantee that you will be enlightened if you never make effort. Indeed, if you sleep this life away it will have been for nothing. If you never woke up and at least tried to be enlightened you might as well have been a dog. Some trees are better than some human beings. - sugarandbrine Monday, April 15, 2002 5:19 PM Re: Dreams Namaste beloved members, I have a question with this topic. Silentsoulji, you state that what you are stating about dreams applies only to the sadhaka, and not to others. This point has stuck in my mind. Is it not possible, that a person has been born into their current body and is not leading a spiritual life, but in previous births has? I know that in my as yet short lifetime, I have met many people that I feel this applies to. Most (if not all) have complained of terrible nightmares at one point or another. This discourages any further delving into their own person, simply because it is very frightening. Reincarnation is such an interesting topic, and has fascinated me for a long time. Perhaps I could bring the topic itself up for discussion. With love, Erica Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Yes erica from a certain view point, your assumptions seems right. But my experience says that those who leave their Sadhna incomplete in last birth, start soon in their present birth. It is in fact a chain which does not break. No one gets enlightenment in single birth, and those who seem to have got, had in fact been doing their sadhna in many births. Once I wrote a story which highlights this point. Two sadhaka started Meditation of Mother Kali. They were given same mantra by their guru and they started meditation. After some years of meditation finally Mother Kali appeared before them in her full galore, which is a fearsome sight. One sadhaka could not bear the fear of seeing Mother Kali and died instantaneously, while the other being a little brave, though trembled, but sustained his breath. Kali asked him to ask for a boon. He asked," Mother first tell me...we both are disciple of same guru, we are of same age and same physique, we chanted the same Mantra. Then why my friend died before getting your blessings. Is it not partiality ? Mother Kali replied," Son do not think like this. You had been worshipping me for your last 6 births,and everytime I appeared..you died. and now in this birth you were able to sustain hence you saw me. Your friend saw me only once in his last birth...so it is only his 2nd time to die premature. There is no favour. This confirms that even if we do our sadhna, we may not be enlightened in a single birth. and as Bhagwan krishna told in Gita the good deeds, the sadhna done etc is carried forward to the next birth and a sadhaka starts from where he left in his last birth. Now seeing bad dreams in this birth does not qualify one to be a sadhaka in last birth...He may have been a sadhaka or he may be subject to bad dreams due to some other reasons. That z why i wrote in the beginning that whatever i wrote applies to sadhaka only. Bad dreams have many causes besides purification....they may appear due to some mental trauma, mental disease, bad karma or a warning...or all of them together. When we die, it is like end of Accounts year. an accountant adds up the receipts, adds up the expenditure and then takes out the Balance and this balance is carried forward to next year. We do not write(in next year books) all the details of last years expenditure/receipts but only the balance. similarly when one dies, the sum-total vrittis of his good and bad karma are noted carefully by his soul and carried as Samskara into the next birth, where the circumstances etc are decided on the basis of those samskaras. The gross memory which is useless for next birth is stored into the Maha- chitta (sub-consc of the Supreme). Some do have access to last birth's memories for a short duration...it is either due to a natural fault, or to fulfil latent purpose of the System. By Yoga it is possible to see gross memory of last births. Even in dreams, we may come across faint picture from our last birth. Though we may not fully understand them, they come to remind us of some important thing. I remember one sadhaka, who was down to earth practical, drinking,smoking and flirting and enjoying life. and one night he saw a dream in which he saw his guru of last birth, who initiated him in dream and next morning he was a changed man. He left all bad habits and made a fast progress on sadhna path, within months. We were all suprised to see his fast progress all due to a single dream. so if one had been a serious sadhaka in his last birth, he is bound to be over-powered by the Universal system and dragged back to his path, irrespective of his present habits/circumstances. Swami Vivekananda when said Everyone is a potentially Divine super power waiting to manifest at the appropriate time, he meant this. Who knows a thief of today is in fact a great Yogi in last birth, who is undergoing purification/punishment of his last birth's one bad deed and after his purification is over, he will sprang up as another Vivekananda or Yogananda. After all this happened to many (like a dacoit who became saint Valmiki or angulimaal who became great |Buddhist monk)....and it is happening to many. Hari Aum , "sugarandbrine" <sugarandbrine> wrote: > Namaste beloved members, > > I have a question with this topic. Silentsoulji, you state that what > you are stating about dreams applies only to the sadhaka, and not to > others. This point has stuck in my mind. > > Is it not possible, that a person has been born into their current > body and is not leading a spiritual life, but in previous births has? > I know that in my as yet short lifetime, I have met many people that > I feel this applies to. Most (if not all) have complained of terrible > nightmares at one point or another. This discourages any further > delving into their own person, simply because it is very frightening. > > Reincarnation is such an interesting topic, and has fascinated me for > a long time. Perhaps I could bring the topic itself up for discussion. > > With love, > Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 nice post - silentsoul_55 Tuesday, April 16, 2002 4:25 AM Re: Dreams Yes erica from a certain view point, your assumptions seems right. But my experience says that those who leave their Sadhna incomplete in last birth, start soon in their present birth. It is in fact a chain which does not break. No one gets enlightenment in single birth, and those who seem to have got, had in fact been doing their sadhna in many births. Once I wrote a story which highlights this point. Two sadhaka started Meditation of Mother Kali. They were given same mantra by their guru and they started meditation. After some years of meditation finally Mother Kali appeared before them in her full galore, which is a fearsome sight. One sadhaka could not bear the fear of seeing Mother Kali and died instantaneously, while the other being a little brave, though trembled, but sustained his breath. Kali asked him to ask for a boon. He asked," Mother first tell me...we both are disciple of same guru, we are of same age and same physique, we chanted the same Mantra. Then why my friend died before getting your blessings. Is it not partiality ? Mother Kali replied," Son do not think like this. You had been worshipping me for your last 6 births,and everytime I appeared..you died. and now in this birth you were able to sustain hence you saw me. Your friend saw me only once in his last birth...so it is only his 2nd time to die premature. There is no favour. This confirms that even if we do our sadhna, we may not be enlightened in a single birth. and as Bhagwan krishna told in Gita the good deeds, the sadhna done etc is carried forward to the next birth and a sadhaka starts from where he left in his last birth. Now seeing bad dreams in this birth does not qualify one to be a sadhaka in last birth...He may have been a sadhaka or he may be subject to bad dreams due to some other reasons. That z why i wrote in the beginning that whatever i wrote applies to sadhaka only. Bad dreams have many causes besides purification....they may appear due to some mental trauma, mental disease, bad karma or a warning...or all of them together. When we die, it is like end of Accounts year. an accountant adds up the receipts, adds up the expenditure and then takes out the Balance and this balance is carried forward to next year. We do not write(in next year books) all the details of last years expenditure/receipts but only the balance. similarly when one dies, the sum-total vrittis of his good and bad karma are noted carefully by his soul and carried as Samskara into the next birth, where the circumstances etc are decided on the basis of those samskaras. The gross memory which is useless for next birth is stored into the Maha- chitta (sub-consc of the Supreme). Some do have access to last birth's memories for a short duration...it is either due to a natural fault, or to fulfil latent purpose of the System. By Yoga it is possible to see gross memory of last births. Even in dreams, we may come across faint picture from our last birth. Though we may not fully understand them, they come to remind us of some important thing. I remember one sadhaka, who was down to earth practical, drinking,smoking and flirting and enjoying life. and one night he saw a dream in which he saw his guru of last birth, who initiated him in dream and next morning he was a changed man. He left all bad habits and made a fast progress on sadhna path, within months. We were all suprised to see his fast progress all due to a single dream. so if one had been a serious sadhaka in his last birth, he is bound to be over-powered by the Universal system and dragged back to his path, irrespective of his present habits/circumstances. Swami Vivekananda when said Everyone is a potentially Divine super power waiting to manifest at the appropriate time, he meant this. Who knows a thief of today is in fact a great Yogi in last birth, who is undergoing purification/punishment of his last birth's one bad deed and after his purification is over, he will sprang up as another Vivekananda or Yogananda. After all this happened to many (like a dacoit who became saint Valmiki or angulimaal who became great |Buddhist monk)....and it is happening to many. Hari Aum , "sugarandbrine" <sugarandbrine> wrote: > Namaste beloved members, > > I have a question with this topic. Silentsoulji, you state that what > you are stating about dreams applies only to the sadhaka, and not to > others. This point has stuck in my mind. > > Is it not possible, that a person has been born into their current > body and is not leading a spiritual life, but in previous births has? > I know that in my as yet short lifetime, I have met many people that > I feel this applies to. Most (if not all) have complained of terrible > nightmares at one point or another. This discourages any further > delving into their own person, simply because it is very frightening. > > Reincarnation is such an interesting topic, and has fascinated me for > a long time. Perhaps I could bring the topic itself up for discussion. > > With love, > Erica Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 tks evil_djinia, when you wrote "some trees are better than human beings", you revealed a great truth. In fact animals and other so-called lower forms of life are better than most of human beings. They remain in their limits and act as per their nature. I have never seen a dog cheating another dog...or a tree refusing shade to the woodcutter. what according to you is the cause of so many faults in us Humans Hari Aum , "Sidha_Ho" <sidaho@h...> wrote: > Many of us were almost saints if not in fact actual saints that people still pray to. However, through simple stupid and careless actions we can slip and fall into samskaric deeds which multiply without end until we have a return upswing of grace from either satsang with great company of wise souls or outright grace of God/Gods, and/or return of good karmas which allow klesha or avidya to thin enough to see light of sun-like being through clouds of ignorance again. Life to enlightenment is like playing scales up and down a guitar neck which makes a harmony of disparate notes. One hopefully ends on a high one. There is no gurantee that you will be enlightened if you never make effort. Indeed, if you sleep this life away it will have been for nothing. If you never woke up and at least tried to be enlightened you might as well have been a dog. Some trees are better than some human beings. > - > sugarandbrine > > Monday, April 15, 2002 5:19 PM > Re: Dreams > > > Namaste beloved members, > > I have a question with this topic. Silentsoulji, you state that what > you are stating about dreams applies only to the sadhaka, and not to > others. This point has stuck in my mind. > > Is it not possible, that a person has been born into their current > body and is not leading a spiritual life, but in previous births has? > I know that in my as yet short lifetime, I have met many people that > I feel this applies to. Most (if not all) have complained of terrible > nightmares at one point or another. This discourages any further > delving into their own person, simply because it is very frightening. > > Reincarnation is such an interesting topic, and has fascinated me for > a long time. Perhaps I could bring the topic itself up for discussion. > > With love, > Erica > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 ego - silentsoul_55 Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:04 AM Re: Dreams tks evil_djinia, when you wrote "some trees are better than human beings", you revealed a great truth. In fact animals and other so-called lower forms of life are better than most of human beings. They remain in their limits and act as per their nature. I have never seen a dog cheating another dog...or a tree refusing shade to the woodcutter. what according to you is the cause of so many faults in us Humans Hari Aum , "Sidha_Ho" <sidaho@h...> wrote: > Many of us were almost saints if not in fact actual saints that people still pray to. However, through simple stupid and careless actions we can slip and fall into samskaric deeds which multiply without end until we have a return upswing of grace from either satsang with great company of wise souls or outright grace of God/Gods, and/or return of good karmas which allow klesha or avidya to thin enough to see light of sun-like being through clouds of ignorance again. Life to enlightenment is like playing scales up and down a guitar neck which makes a harmony of disparate notes. One hopefully ends on a high one. There is no gurantee that you will be enlightened if you never make effort. Indeed, if you sleep this life away it will have been for nothing. If you never woke up and at least tried to be enlightened you might as well have been a dog. Some trees are better than some human beings. > - > sugarandbrine > > Monday, April 15, 2002 5:19 PM > Re: Dreams > > > Namaste beloved members, > > I have a question with this topic. Silentsoulji, you state that what > you are stating about dreams applies only to the sadhaka, and not to > others. This point has stuck in my mind. > > Is it not possible, that a person has been born into their current > body and is not leading a spiritual life, but in previous births has? > I know that in my as yet short lifetime, I have met many people that > I feel this applies to. Most (if not all) have complained of terrible > nightmares at one point or another. This discourages any further > delving into their own person, simply because it is very frightening. > > Reincarnation is such an interesting topic, and has fascinated me for > a long time. Perhaps I could bring the topic itself up for discussion. > > With love, > Erica > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 Ego ? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm does that mean animals and trees have no ego ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 >>Is it not possible, that a person has been born into their current body and is not leading a spiritual life, but in previous births has? << If you remember the Arunagiri Nadhar story that I narrated in the chat and later in posts, you'll find that this is true. In this birth, we may NOT be leading a spiritual life in the beginning as a part of the purificatory process, to exhaust the residual bad vasanas. Once they are burnt, we'll continue with our spiritual life from where we left in our previous birth. Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 Their ego is not expanded beyond reaslistic limitations by desire for controling life. Life cannot be controlled. People that start wars are desiring to control things beyond realistic means because war always destroys the very things that were the basis of the original desire. Ego is like a rubber band holding things together, when it stretches beyond limitations it snaps and everything held together flys apart. - silentsoul_55 Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:46 AM Re: Dreams Ego ? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm does that mean animals and trees have no ego ? Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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