Questions on Sadhna !

August 6, 2001

Our warm welcome to all new sadhakas and thanks

to all others for continuing great discussions and

keeping the board alive. This week there were

some interesting questions from club and web-page &

chat sessions. I am posting below the precis of the

questions. Qu.1 - What is the effect of Mantra on our body. Why

in a temple, we get mental peace (Is it something to

do with holy vibrations ?) Qu. 2 - What

should be treatment towards women, as per

spirituality? Qu3 - A christian never sees Hindu gods and a Hindu

never visions about christ during his super-conscious

stage. Can it be said then that samadhi etc are only a

sort of Self-hypnosis where one sees what he has in

mind already? Qu 4 - I am a very ordinary

person occassionally drinking and enjoying my friendship

with females, Can I do any sadhna without leaving all

this ? Qu 5 - What is the philosophy behind

prayers ? why some people's prayers are answered and some

get disappointment. Is god Partial ? Qu6 -

(And a young girl in school has asked) I wish to do

sadhna but my parents say i should be busy in studies

and do sadhna in old age? Is it true that sadhna is

for older persons only? Qu7 - Why I am what I

am

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----------------------------- dear friends, if you have an answer to

above questions

please post them. If you have also felt like the sadhkas

felt,then how you dealt with it..please share.. If you have

further questions on these questions please jump

in. Hari Aum Your questions on Sadhna may be sent

to Silentsoul_55 so that we can put them

on the board for discussions, in case you dont wish

to put them on board yourself.

August 6, 2001

Qu.1 - What is the effect of Mantra on our body.

Why in a temple, we get mental peace (Is it something

to do with holy vibrations ?) The effect of a

mantra lies in the subtle channels. Prolonged practise

of mantra weans the mind away from the body by

inflaming the bhutagni. Since the mind is separated from

the body, self identification with the limitted self

becomes difficult and which leads to poor

fitness. Qu. 2 - What should be treatment towards women, as

per spirituality? Treat them as you would men.

The Atman is sexless and the same attitude should be

brought to flesh consciousness so that the same permeates

to deeper levels. Qu3 - A christian never

sees Hindu gods and a Hindu never visions about christ

during his super-conscious stage. Can it be said then

that samadhi etc are only a sort of Self-hypnosis

where one sees what he has in mind already? Dear

friend you are obviously ignorant of Ronald Nixon(Swami

Krishna Prem was definitely Christian), Khan - e - Khanan

Rahim(a great muslim devotee of Krishna) Sri Ramakrishna.

Qu 4 - I am a very ordinary person occassionally

drinking and enjoying my friendship with females, Can I do

any sadhna without leaving all this ? If you

want to enjoy, then enjoy.If you want to renounce then

renounce. Two way traffic may send you hurtling to your

destruction, since Gods and Godesses like most astral beings

do not like gross vibrations, you could get adverse

results. Qu 5 - What is the philosophy behind prayers ? why

some people's prayers are answered and some get

disappointment. Is god Partial ? What you sowed is what

you are reaping now. When the Atman is One, there is

no question of partiality. Like the moon

reflected in different mirrors... if the reflecting surface

is flat, it reflects perfectly if it is crooked(with

mental modifications) you know what. Qu6 -

(And a young girl in school has asked) I wish to do

sadhna but my parents say i should be busy in studies

and do sadhna in old age? Is it true that sadhna is

for older persons only? If you dont invite God

to be your summer guest, dont expect him to come in

the winter of your life. -----Lahiri

Mahashaya Qu7 - Why I am what I am ? Prarabdha. What

else? Prarabdha...

August 7, 2001

Qu.1 - What is the effect of Mantra on our body.

Why in a temple, we get mental peace (Is it something

to do with holy vibrations ?) Mantras help us

align and direct energies. Qu. 2 - What should

be treatment towards women, as per

spirituality? Equally. As G-d created all humans equal. Qu3 - A

christian never sees Hindu gods and a Hindu never visions

about christ during his super-conscious stage. Can it

be said then that samadhi etc are only a sort of

Self-hypnosis where one sees what he has in mind

already? G-d will not appear to people in a form that they can

not understand. It is limited by what the person will

accept or is comfortable with seeing. Qu 4 - I am

a very ordinary person occassionally drinking and

enjoying my friendship with females, Can I do any sadhna

without leaving all this ? If this is not harming

your spirituality any. Then go ahead. But if this

behavior proves to be a spiritual impediment in your life.

Then it is advised to discontinue it. Qu 5 -

What is the philosophy behind prayers ? why some

people's prayers are answered and some get disappointment.

Is god Partial ? All prayers are answered.

Just not in the ways that people expect or are fail to

recognize. Qu6 - (And a young girl in school has asked) I wish

to do sadhna but my parents say i should be busy in

studies and do sadhna in old age? Is it true that sadhna

is for older persons only? I do not know what

Sadhna is. Qu7 - Why I am what I am ? Based on

our past experiences, what we have been programed,

and the who we are. We are who we are just because of

all the different energies we accept, attract, and

divert.

August 7, 2001

Qu6 - (And a young girl in school has asked) I

wish to do sadhna but my parents say i should be busy

in studies and do sadhna in old age? Is it true that

sadhna is for older persons only? I do not know

what Sadhna is. Switchin tracks. I was thinking

of Islam searching through my brain for the word

Sadhna. Then I looked above. And Said, "Duh" to myself.

Sadhna is for people of all ages. It can be practiced

from when a person starts learning how to walk and

talk up till the end of their life. Sadhna

does not have an age limit.

August 7, 2001

Qu7 - Why I am what I am ? ANS : Because what I think I am, is not what I

am!

August 7, 2001

Qu3 - A christian never sees Hindu gods and a

Hindu never visions about christ during his

super-conscious stage. Can it be said then that samadhi etc are

only a sort of Self-hypnosis where one sees what he

has in mind already? I was born and raised as

a Christian. Last fall, a Hindu goddess came to me

in a vision. I didn't know who she was at the time,

and was very confused because of it. I researched and

found information on Her, and because of that I started

reading more on Hinduism, and so on and so on. So

I don't think it's true that people see only what

they are comfortable with. I think people see what

they need to see.

August 7, 2001

Namaste, I had a similar experience...I've

been pagan for the last ten years or so, and knew

almost nothing about Hinduism. Nonetheless, Ma Kali made

Herself known to me a couple of years ago, which led me

to study everything I could find on Hinduism in an

effort to understand Her and find out why She was

suddenly "calling" me. I think our minds do filter

what we are given into understandable images for us

based on what we're familiar with, but if Someone has

something to say they'll come through how They choose

to. Om Amriteswaryai Namaha, Seadna > I

was born and raised as a Christian. Last >

fall, a Hindu goddess came to me in a vision. I >

didn't know who she was at the time, and was >

very confused because of it. I researched and >

found information on Her, and because of that I >

started reading more on Hinduism, and so on and >

so on. > So I don't think it's true that

people see only > what they are comfortable with.

I think people > see what they need to see.

August 7, 2001

Qu3 - A christian never sees Hindu gods and a

Hindu never visions about christ during his

super-conscious stage. Can it be said then that samadhi etc are

only a sort of Self-hypnosis where one sees what he

has in mind already? what about Ramakrishna?

He saw Jesus.

August 8, 2001

Well, forms are a requirement of the mind. When

peole follow the devotional route or insist of a form,

the form they usually wish ishow the mind perceives

god. If this isn't the case, there is no reason why so

many religions exists and so many forms of "gods"

exist. When a person goes beyond the forms and attributes,

they see the brahman. Its not that they don't see the

other shapes, its just that it doesn't matter any more.

Ramakrishna saw Jesus and the Islamic versions because he

wanted to validate their route and per that route and

its validation, seeing lord as "Jesus Christ" or the

Mohammadean form was a requirement and so he saw it in such a

way it made religious sense per that religion. At the

end of his every experiment, says Brahman with

attributes to Brahman without

attributes. Shanakaracharya says that forms and names are creations and

must

so dissolve one day. Hope this

helps. - Seshadri.

August 8, 2001

Qu3 - A christian never sees Hindu gods and a

Hindu never visions about christ during his

super-conscious stage. Can it be said then that samadhi etc are

only a sort of Self-hypnosis where one sees what he

has in mind already? The question pre-supposes

even in super-consciouse stage we see visions . Till

there is Name and Form in the mind , it has not gone

into super-conscious state whatever the Name and Form

may be , it is not Samadhi. In Samadhi , mind goes

beyond Name and Form , including the visions of Gods.

Then only it would ne super-consciuos state in the

first place. But still , we heard lot who had visions

of Gods or Goddesses whom they never know from some

of our friends. So that should settle the question

both logically and practically. --Ramesh Verala

(veerala_in)

August 8, 2001

Qu 4 - I am a very ordinary person occassionally

drinking and enjoying my friendship with females, Can I do

any sadhna without leaving all this ? we do

Sadhana to get out of these things , so if you are

already out of these things manasa , vaca , karmana ,

that is ,by mind , speach , action you don't need

Sadhana. But if you yourself think you are doing something

bad Sadhana may not bear any fruit. Any sadhana would

not bear fruit if Yama and Niyama are followed ,

these being minimum moral ethics. But then if you want

to get rid of these , i would say do Sadhana , love

God , that you leave them first. Do sadhana to get

out of them. --Ramesh Verala

veerala_in

August 8, 2001

Qu6 - (And a young girl in school has asked) I

wish to do sadhna but my parents say i should be busy

in studies and do sadhna in old age? Is it true that

sadhna is for older persons only? religion is not

for just old people. It is very much for young

energitic strong ............. people. Infact Sadhana if

done would do much good to your studies too. Ramesh

Verala veerala_in

August 8, 2001

Qu7 - Why I am what I am ? Accumulated

samskaras , just pushing you to be what you are , may be ,

inspite of yourself. That's why we do Sadhana. Otherwise

if we can be simply what we want to be , no Sadhana

is required. Ramesh Verala

veerala_in

August 8, 2001

Qu 5 - What is the philosophy behind prayers ?

why some people's prayers are answered and some get

disappointment. Is god Partial ? By prayer knowingly or

unknowingly we draw enery and help from the source which is

One. And we are one and the same with the Source. Whom

do we pray but ourselves but in a Form and Name ?

But the answer does not come to all , since there are

many other things in the world that is effected by the

result of the prayer. Your result is not isolated. If

and when the result is in harmony with the natural

laws of Karma you get your result. But if you pray

with a pure heart , saints say , you get that what you

want. But remember , if you are pure in heart you won't

have any want yet to be fufilled. You would already

have realised if you were pure , and so so need of

prayer for a want. Ramesh Verala

veerala_in

August 8, 2001

Seadna: Do you consider yourself Hindu

now? Or pagan? I'm struggling with this now and would

like any advice you might have for me in this

confusing time. Feel free to email me if you're more

comfortable. Om Shanti, Erica

August 8, 2001

Namaste Erica, I don't mind answering you

here, and I hope others don't mind reading a post that

isn't exactly on topic. If so, I humbly apologize and

pray they will let me know so I will not do it

again. It has taken me about a year and a half to find some

answer to that question, and it has been difficult. I

understand that it's a confusing time for you, and it has

been so for me as well. Although I admire Hinduism

(Sanatana Dharma) and its principles greatly, I don't quite

consider myself a Hindu because I do not feel comfortable

or capable of behaving as a good Hindu should. (this

is based on my imperfect understanding of Hinduism

and what it means to be Hindu, not meant to

generalize for others paths) I eventually settled

on, "Wiccan in religion, shamanic in practice, and

Hindu in ethics/morals" because the principles of

Hinduism and Bhakti Yoga are what resonate most with me,

while puja and the more formal aspects of practice do

not. I didn't feel comfortable abandoning Wicca and

paganism entirely, but I feel a strong pull toward the

ideal of being a good Hindu - harming none,

surrendering all to the deities/Atman, realizing that we are

all a part of the divine and there is no "distance"

to overcome outside of our own minds, and multiple

lives as a series of lessons and chances to "get it

right". I also did not feel comfortable ignoring

the culture and religion from which my goddess Ma

Kali came, so I have tried to find a way that She will

find appropriate for me to worship Her, rather than

incorporating Her into a Wiccan pantheon as "just" another

goddess. I just put it together as best I can,

figuring out each step along the way, and "check with

myself" frequently to see if what I'm doing feels like

the right thing for me. I wish you much joy

and peace on your path, and I'd be happy to

correspond more if you like. Om Amriteswaryai

Namaha, Seadna

August 9, 2001

Dear Seadna, It was wonderful to read about

experiences and what I liked best was the honesty in the

post. I personally hope and feel that the founders will

not be offended at all. After all, this is a post

which talks about your experince in

spirituality. Thank you for sharing your experiences.

August 9, 2001

Namaste Erica If you examine the many

aspects Hinduism and compare it with Paganism you will

find that they share the same values. Hinduism is

Sanathana Dharma (Eternal Values) as you know and in its

roots it houses the vlaues and wisdom of all paths and

traditions. It has been said (many times) that there are as

many paths as the people who walked the earth.

The word Hindu itself was coined by the British to

refer to a large collective of cultures and paths that

was practised west of the Indus River. Many of these

paths are so diverse that in their thinkings but shared

many common values. You can be a HinduPagan if

you wish as most Tantrikas like kapalikas and aghoris

can best be described as one. Some

thoughts... Om Shanti AnandaYogi

August 9, 2001

Seadna: Thank you very much for your post.

I appreciate it. I am trying to learn as

much as possible about the Hindu path. I considered

myself pagan for the five or so years before my vision.

I never really felt like it was home for me,

though, and didn't practice much of anything. I guess I

just figured I would settle there because I didn't

know where else I belonged. After my vision, I

read the Bhagavad Gita for the first time and I

instantly *knew* I was home. I forged through it as a

person that hadn't had food in a long time would if a

wonderful meal was placed in front of them. That is exactly

how I felt. I mentioned to my Hindu friend that I had

read and felt this way, and she said, "Welcome

home." I've read as much as I can, now, and feel that it's

time for me to start putting what I've learned into

practice in my life. Sure, I pray as best I know how, and

I chant, and worship Her as best I can. However, it

seems to me that such an important part of Hinduism is

the *tradition* of it and I would never want to

offend anyone or have anyone think I was coming from a

place any less than of the utmost respect and love.

Because, really, I do come from that place inside of me

that *is* love. I've been told that the ins

and outs of worship aren't the import part.

Concentrating on God is what's important. But I feel like I

need some sort of pillar in my life: something I can

count on to always be there. I have no one to show me

or teach me, and I'm finding resistence at every

turn. I keep pressing on, though, and I know that

someday I will find my way. Again, I thank you

very much and wish you much peace. Om

Shanti, Erica

August 9, 2001

AnandaYogi: Thank you very kindly. I

appreciate your thoughts on this matter. I have

thought and meditated on this subject quite a bit. I'm

not sure that I would be comfortable with HinduPagan.

I never really felt home in the pagan space. I am

definitely not as comfortable there as I am with the Hindu

path as I know it. I suppose I will find the

right door when I am ready. I have always been the

type, though, to press on until I find what I'm looking

for. Maybe the lesson here is patience. Om

Shanti, Erica

August 9, 2001

Oh...and Seadna...one more thing to

add... I don't think that I am, now, a "good Hindu". In

fact, I'm quite sure I'm not since I don't know how to

do puja at home and have only been to temple once

and still eat meat on occasion (It's coming slowly,

but my doctor has advised against vegetarianism for

me, at least for the time being). However, these are

spiritual goals for me. I would like to work at being a

better person, and learn while I am here. The pillars of

Hinduism are things that I feel I can strive for, even if

I am not all of these things now. I believe God

knows this and respects that I try. Om

Shanti, Erica

August 9, 2001

q-6-young girl from school asking there is no

age for saadhan but the defination changes a bit for

students studies is saadhna . so if u r studying whole

heartedly by putting 100 percent of ur efforts n without

any jealosy n illfeeling for any body u r on the path

of saadhna

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