Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 I am not a founder, but I am supposing that it is because the poster has repeatedly made "off color" and sometimes just plain crude remarks in a place where it is not appropriate. Forgive me founders, if I am speaking out of turn. But to answer the question:<br>1) Did the priest truly ask? or is the poster trying to be funny again?<br>2) This poster has in the past called "indoos" cheap, has made derogatory comments about those who are feeding him, has told us about his conquests, his drinking sprees, etc so I honestly wonder about this ones true intent. Is it to be funny? shock value? or is he truly asking for guidance?<br>3) Sri Ramakrishna spoke many times of "women and gold" as taking one directly away from the path of bhakti, etc. So materialism and lust must be thrown away. <br>4)My answer to the poster would be this: IF the priest truly asked, why would he need YOU to take him? He could go on his own That is his choice, his learning, his own morality at stake. Why would he want you there with him? My next question would be...why of all people would he ask you? Is it possible that you tell your off color jokes there as well? Do you talk about how you love women? By your actions, are you getting a reputation among those there?<br>5) Maybe it is a test, to see if your intent is pure in being there?<br>*shrug* i do not know, nor care to make a judgement, as the priest is not here to make his own statement. But, these are things I would seriously consider before making a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 Greetings,<br><br>I cannot answer for dasa Hari, but here is what I know:<br><br>"IF the priest truly asked, why would he need YOU to take him? He could go on his own :)"<br><br>Dasa Hari drives the priest around town.<br>A few days back he did mention that one of his duties there at the temple is to drive the priest around town.<br>Maybe that is why the priest asked him.<br><br>I am not passing a judgement on anyone here, just wondering how often we find a different personality behind someone who claims to be religious.<br>Examples abound: Chandraswami, Osho, Dhirendra Brahmachaari, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 folks, i normally dont get involved in the advice section regarding lives of others, but in this case since the question is posed, "should i take the priest to the strip joint?" may i suggest he ask the priest's wife...?<br><br>*wink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 Dear Silent opposition,<br><br>There is no sense in your pleading for me! THese people are simply prejudiced against me. They think I am good for nothing bum. A womanizer, a drunk and a corrupt man. Who knows anything about cookie lady? Except what she tells you on these pages. For all you know she may be as 'corrupt' as me, if not more. <br><br>"I am enlightened. No man is more enlightened than I am, and I am no more enlightened than any other enlightened man. Enlightenment is enlightenment. And that's that. It's an unalterable, unwavering state of knowledge and being beyond doubt, a completion every moment by grace of the Most High, the unspeakable one, God. That's the ultimate; the absolute being beyond any description. But the ultimate, the enlightenment of man, must translate into his living life. And to me and my teaching that means an enlightened man is liberated from unhappiness. Being and living free of unhappiness is the natural and simple state of all life on earth -- except man. He has been misled away from it by spiritual lures and glamor and the result is the conflict and pain, the fluctuating unhappiness, of his short life."<br><br>DAsa hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 I think we cannot pass judgement, as the priest is not here to say whether the remark is true or not. After seeing some of the posts written by our no where man, I have my doubts that the remark is indeed true at all. <br>Silent one, you totally missed the point of me asking why the priest would need no where man to drive him. I KNOW no where man drives the priest around, but if you were a priest and were going to do something not exactly on the up and up, would you ask someone you knew? I say, take a bus ) And all joking aside, I have to agree with Peggy on this one ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 What I know about you is what YOU have spoken on these pages. You have told us these things, so do not cry when we think what you have told us is the truth? I never said you were a bum.....you did. Never said you were a womanizer....you did. Never said you were a drunk....you did. By continually telling stories of your hangovers, women, ect hon, what do you think we are going to believe? In my mind, you are the mischievous boy krishna...but do not play the victim here. You have chosen this by your words in this club. If you have questions, or contributions, I think personally, I would take you much more serious if you left out all the inappropriate references. Try it in love, mirabai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 Dear M-I-R-A-B-H-A-I , now you are making sense. Priest says this whole world is your family. Everything belongs to Krishna. Now, you are making sense. If you start seeing Krishna in everything including me, you are on the right path. You don't have to take me seriously. I don't even take 'myself' seriously. I am here only to lift your Veil of ignorance. They say 'Love is blind' but your Love for krishna' has blinded you to other things. This kind of 'love' has to 'mature' into a greater 'love ; - 'love' for all of krishna's creation. Your 'devotion' is still in its lower stages only.<br>For it to evolve more., you need to have a proper teacher , one who can really teach you all forms of devotion. <br><br>dasa hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 If indeed all world is God's creation, and all living things are a 'roop' of God and if you *must* love everyone, I need to know how this love is realised?<br>How can you make sure that negative thinking is flushed out from others?<br>I think the first step is to separate the real consciousness from the imagined consciousness.<br>Identifying the forces of nature and those activities that shape consciousness, and then taking control of those forces for shaping social consciousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 I like that.<br>This is most practical piece that I have seen in a long time <grin/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 ya think? *wink* in love, mirabai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 the realization comes when you love ALL things, good and bad, happy and not happy, joy and sadness. There is no discernment between them. Only the divine in the divine play Did you do that exercise I proposed? That is how one feels all the time regardless--for love, by love, in love, mirabai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 I do not think that it is for us to see, or say that negative thinking shud be wiped out from OTHERS. <br> It is for us to see and think, negative thinking shud be wiped out FROMMMMM USSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.<br> If this is the path one decides to follow, imagine slowly we eachhhhh wipe out these negative thoughts, and this way the world increases its positivity.<br> And this shud be the aim anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 you are dead wrong nimsay, one musn't ignore negativity entirely, as Tatwamasi pointed out we are to cultivate negativity into a posititive direction. Unless of course that negativity is too much for a weaker conditioned soul to ahndle at that time. Lest you want to remain in ignorance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 I agree that our aim should be to wipe out our own negative thinking. This can be disrupted easily if we don't focus on our own reactions towards others' negative energies. Being a positive person is a great thing -- and a great goal -- but the fact of the matter is that the world is not filled with positive thinkers. This world is full of negative energy, and it is up to each of us as to how we react. If we react negatively, that reflects upon us, creating more negativity, and adding to the "problem".<br><br>How do each of you prepare yourself for the inevitable negative situation? How do you deal with the situation and the energy that comes? Do you have any meditations you do to strengthen your energy for these situations? How do you protect yourself, mentally and spiritually?<br><br>Looking forward to your answers...<br><br>Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 That isnt reality Erica, and you shouldnt turn your back on a friend just because he or she is turning to you while they may be shedding some negativity. I agree that if it is abusive then you could tell them then give them comfort to change their ways. That is a more healthy way of handling an unpleasant situation rather then just blocking someone who is confiding in you. That is no way to be. That is as unspiritual as anyone can get in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 well Erica there is one good thing that came out of it. I don't have to work anymore and you do. Tehehe :-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 Confucius said, "Choose a job you love and you will never have to work a day in your life."<br><br>But my favorite is still D. W. Jerrold who said, "The ugliest of trades have their moments of pleasure. Now, if i was a grave digger, or even a hangman, there are some people i could work for with a great deal of enjoyment."<br><br> <br>om tat sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 Here is a prime example of ones reality. Erica has another reality. One in which she feels secure in sheilding herself from anothers negativity. It never ceases to amaze me how people can say "you shouldnt" do this, or "you are wrong" to do that. How do you know what another, living their reality should or should not do? Man, if we would just stick to working on ourselves and not tell others what they "should" do, it would greatly expand our own internal learning. Can we suggest? sure! can we share our own lessons and experience? of course! But to state unequivocally that someone else "should" or "shouldnt" do something is forcing our beliefs onto another. I understand where Erica is coming from. I also understand the duality of positive and negative. One cannot exist without the other it is said, and I happen to believe in that. The divine is both to me. I try to love the negative as much as the positive, sometimes ego gets in the way, judgements occur, etc, but I acknowledge this and try again. in love, mirabai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 dearest mirabai...<br><br>I understand the duality of positive and negative. I understand that learning doesn't always come in positive form. However, there is such a thing as protecting yourself from the unnecessary. For example, I would never walk down a dark street alone in a big city. Not because I don't have faith, but because I know I live in a world where bad things happen. If it is my fate to pass on, I will regardless.<br><br>Much love and light,<br>Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 Labour itself is but a sorrowful song,<br>The protest of the weak against the strong. <br> The sorrowful World. <br><br>dasa hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 Respected Don,<br>George Washington once said to be courteous to all, but intinate with few. Perhaps u misunderstood the situation don. True friendship is a plant of slow growth. <br><br>om tat sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 One may not reach the dawn save by the path of the night." <br><br>dasa hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 Exactly dear Erica! I may have been a bit wordy, but that is exactly what I was agreeing with you about ) in love, mirabai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 Thank you Peggy. I do believe so. But it really did hurt because I wanted to talk with her she had so much to say good at first. She led me into this room. I thinkyou are Intelligent sugarandbrine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 There are hard times we all have to go thru but things get better. I believe half the time we can make the situation brighter if we are in the right frame of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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