Guest guest Posted October 31, 2001 Report Share Posted October 31, 2001 Acquisition of Jnana <br>All of us should strive to acquire Jnana. It is only then that we shall be able to endure any kind of suffering. No man can escape suffering in some form or other. Each of us has his or her share of suffering. We may think that a wealthy person, or a highly placed in life, is free from cares and anxieties, and, so thinking may covet that wealth or that status in the belief that we can thereby get rid of our worries. But if you ask those persons, they will unburden to you their tale of woes. In fact, every man thinks that his suffering is the greatest, even as he thinks that he is the most handsome or the most wise. No person dares to express the latter two feelings openly; but each person thinks that his sufferings are greater than the sufferings of others and likes to parade them with a view to eliciting sympathy from others. In a sense, suffering seems to be our birth-right. Suffering is the fruit of our actions in previous births. So when we came into the world in the present birth, we came with the seeds of suffering deeply implanted into our being. There is no escaping from suffering. <br>But it is in us to blunt the edge of suffering. An idiot or a lunatic, a Jada an Unmatta, does not "suffer" as we do. He becomes impervious to suffering. But when this man is cured of his idiocy or lunacy, as the case may be, and he is normal like us, he becomes aware of suffering and begins to suffer as we do. Sleep is the soothing balm for all suffering. We are oblivious to suffering in dreamless sleep or Sushupti. The consciousness of suffering in waking life is negated in sleep. But we relapse into this consciousness when we wake up from sleep. The Jnani "sleeps to suffering" even when he is awake. It is not that he does not suffer in body ; but it is that he does not suffer in mind. A heavy log of wood is not easily lifted or shifted ; it requires a number of hands to do so. If the same log is immersed in water, it becomes light and even a child can move it without effort. Similarly, if we learn to immerse our load of suffering in the water of Jnana, it will become extremely light and we can make light of our suffering. <br>What is this Jnana that can lighten our suffering? It is knowing a thing as it really is. That is the quest of all scientists, namely, to arrive at the core of the truth of things. And we know that a scientist, engrossed in his research, loses himself in his pursuit and is undisturbed by any difficulty or distress. The pursuit of his research and the joy resulting from the knowledge he thereby acquires, far out weigh his personal suffering, which becomes very nearly non-existent to him. <br><br>jaya jaya shankara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 why should i strive to attain something that I am not comfortable with? Are you saying that jnana is THE ONLY way we shall be able to endure any type of suffering? arghhhhhhh So many ways, so many paths to the mountaintop. I am a bhakti, are you saying that i will not be able to endure suffering? I not only endure it, i embrace it....as it is part and parcel of the divine. I will continue to follow what is right for me if that is ok in love, mirabai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Blessed Self, Mirabai<br><br>Jnana Yoga challenges the other three main paths of Yoga by saying that one cannot realize That which the other three paths call God, Brahman, or Cosmic Consciousness by ritual, actions, duty, selfless service, charity or stilling the mind but only through renunciation of all worldly attachments and identifications. Jnana Yoga claims that knowledge of the Absolute is possible only through a process of rigorous and continual logical inquiry to distinguish the real from the unreal. This process of negation, discarding the unreal, continues until only the real is left. Here, logic can no longer be used to fully know the Real and intuitive, direct experience takes its place. <br><br>Of course, “discarding the unreal” could be seen by the Bhakti or Karma Yogi as seeing God everywhere all the time and offering your self or your work respectively to God as manifested in specific things or events. The Raja Yogi would view “discarding the unreal” as eliminating irrelevent and ungodlike thoughts form his or her consciousness.<br><br>So these paths are essentially the same. They are expressed differently for students of different temperments and different strengths. While some of the techniques and emphases of these paths differ, they all have the same ultimate goal. That goal is to maintain a consciousness that is concerned totally and exclusively with the universal, divine force. Here, there is no regard for how or through what vehicle that divine presence manifests. <br><br>The goal, the process and the techniques of these paths are not unique to them but rather are shared by many of the world’s great religions. In Roman Catholicism, for example, the Jesuits follow a Jnana Yoga path but other orders follow Bhakti, Karma or Raja Yoga paths.<br><br>Paths are many, Truth is One<br><br>Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Thank you OmPrem for your explanation, it certainly did help me to understand a bit better. Sometimes it is very difficult to be a solitary practioner of bhakti as I am with no one close to shed light on my many questions. I thank you for taking the time to explain. ) in love, mirabai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Hari Aum ! Just wanted to add my 2 cents :-)<br><br>Jnana Yoga and Bhakti Yoga may seem like different paths in the beginning. But as you go deeper you'll find that they merge. If you want to find the roots of a tree, and let's say you start tracing from the most peripheral part, which is the branch. Jnana yoga and bhakthi yoga are like the 2 branches. As you go deeper, you'll find that they merge into a single huge trunk. As you go along this common trunk, you'll reach the roots. <br><br>Similarly, jnana and bhakti margas, merge as one goes higher, and join into a common pathway through which the truth is realised. Let me illustrate this with an eg. <br><br>Let's take the eg. of a well known bhakta like Radha. She was always contemplating on Krishna, more after he left for Mathura. When she churned milk, she saw Krishna there. When she went to the forest to get water, she saw Krishna there. Whatever household chores she did, she saw Krishna there. She didn't want anything that's not Krishna. Isn't this the same as "Neti, Neti" in jnana yoga?<br>In Bhakti yoga, you eliminate based on what's not Krishna. In jnana yoga, you eliminate based on what's not the Self. <br>In Bhakti yoga, you see Krishna everywhere. In jnana yoga, you see the Self everywhere. <br><br>Let's take an eg. of a jnani like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Though he realised the Self and was always in nirvikalpa samadhi, he said, " True bhakthi is when one sheds tears on merely hearing the name of Krishna. "<br>He cried everytime he heard the Divine name. Isn't this bhakthi?<br><br>Is bhakthi different from Jnana. They have to merge at some stage. Coming back to the tree eg., it's 'cos we are starting from the branch end, we feel they are 2 different paths, and are merging. But if we change our perspective to the root end, you'll see that the tree is dividing to reach out the many to suit their temperaments. <br><br>Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 There is a little more to bhakti then that s_v_c_s. while jnana is introspection and contemplation of Self and ego, the goal of a bhakti yogi is not to merge with the Supreme Self but to be it's servant. While samadhi is ultimately the goal of all spiritual paths there are diffrent kinds of samadhi's or spiritual blisses. Ultimately both paths recognize being one with the Supreme Creator, jnana is more monism where bhakti is tword dualism. So there are diffrent spiritual awakenings along each seperate path or belief. It is written "you are what you worship". But ultimately I ahve to agree that the prime goal of all "True" religions is liberation from maya, so to speak. But the goals are diffrent in each religous practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 Gyana Yoga is gives me the knowledge and understanding required for the journey back "HOME", Raja Yoga gives me the tools to make that journey, Karma Yoga is the journey itself where the tools are applied, and Bhakti is the glue, the attachment that keeps me grounded, specially in times of trial. <br><br>While I started off on the Gyana marga (path), today I find I need them all, integrated.<br><br>_/\_ Tat twam asi<br><br>Uma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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