Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 cont..<br>Each segment of purushcharana relates to one of the elements.<br>JAPA purifies the Air and Ether element in you.<br>HOMA, the fire element.<br>TARPANA, the water element.<br>MARJANA, the earth element.<br>BHOJANA is your final offering to your deity, whom you see in all the people you feed.<br><br>This makes purushcharana nothing but BHOOTA-SHUDDHI(purification of the five great elements making up the whole universe, manifesting in the body at the nodes or chakras)<br>Bhoota Shuddhi is the essence of Tantra !<br>Purushcharana is good for starters before graduating on to Panchamakara .<br><br>Now if one observes carefully, the Shuddhi(purification) is taking from up to downwards ie vishuddha-anahata down to muladhara. Why is this so ?<br>For this we have to know, what is Mantra Siddhi. When one calls a particular deity with the help of a mantra, which is nothing but that deity’s name, one must have a mental image of how HE or SHE looks like. <br>Just what a true bhakta desires to be one with his beloved, so a tantric does very systematically. At first upon being called persistently, the deity comes occasionally, this is termed as TANMAYATA or togetherness. Eventually the personality of the saadhak completely dissolves, the consciousness of the deity and the saadhak becomes one. This stage is called TADRUPTA. At this stage there is “Mantra Chaitanya”, when there is total union of consciousness and the mantra. Every cell in the body becomes a resonator of the mantra. The original personality is totally effaced and only the deity remains.<br>THE END RESULT IS THE SAME FOR WHICH A SINCERE BHAKTA ALSO PINES FOR !<br>Coming back to the original question, why up to down? Simple, here the sadhaka is not trying to raise his kundalini but instead invoking a fully awakened deity into the body, the path followed naturally being from up to downwards. <br>In these extreme sadhanas, the questions of believing - not believing in god, having implicit trust in god, wanting to have darshan of god are left faaaar behind. You have to see a sadhaka nearing Mantra Siddhi to believe it ! The features, the voice, the behaviour become so similar to the deity, that it appears very very odd. The focus is intense. Pride is naturally non-existent.<br>An interesting story about this tadrupta…, later may be(to avoid overdosageJ?<br>Regards really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 Thank you for your very informative post. While I am aware of the processes you talked about, I wasn’t familiar with the terminology. I certainly haven’t been blessed with observing a person go through this experience.<br><br>Thank you for the story too. I love stories. <br><br>Some thoughts -<br><br>1. Age is no criterion for readiness for samadhi. A child in this birth may be a sadhak ready for mukti (liberation) having journeyed and learnt through several previous births. <br><br>2. Those of us who work with conscious-living exercises (affirmations, prayers, mantras,) use a fundamental Truth as our tool. The Power of the word - that first (according to what we know) shows up in the Rig Veda, discussed in detail in field of Sabdha (Sound) Brahman, and is the opening sentence in the Bible. An essential tool we use is “Assume the posture” of what you want to be, and you will become that. This is based on the essential knowledge that matter, including our selves, is nothing but energy. We are a vibrating ball of energy; the blueprint of our energy patterns is based on our past baggage (samskaras and vasanas). Our thought, emotions actions, including who we resonate with, our sangha (company), who we encourage and support, even what we pretend to be, all have a corresponding energy pattern which either perpetuates and continue our blueprint or creates newer energy patterns. Which direction we take it is our choice at every moment. It is the clarity of the “Word”, which is again determined by one’s sincerity and level of intention, that finally determines how the word manifests. Attaining this clarity of goals is part of sadhna. <br><br>3. While the titillating aspects of Tantra Shastra have attracted the attention of most people, it is in fact the field, which deals with Energy, the essence of matter and its manifestation. <br><br>4. Forms and formlessness. We take form and manifest on this earth-plane primarily due to the presence of our egos, with its blocked energy paths by various desires and attitudes accumulated over lifetimes. We have to break out of our egos using the very ego-entered tools, like love, intellect, action, and will. It is no surprise then that even advaitins have to use “forms” in meditation to break out of the bondage of the form! <br><br>5. The Descending of divinity is the state discussed by Sri Aurobindo, in his works about Supra mental consciousness. All creation is done at the higher chakras levels, but for it to manifest it has to brought systematically down ultimately to the muladhara which provides the foundation of all manifested forms.<br><br>Where are our fellow travellers? What are your thoughts? We have some wonderful topics on the discussion table. Jump in .. participate .. share your journey!!!<br><br>_/\_ Tat twam asi<br><br>Uma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 A post script -<br><br>It has been my firm understanding (could be wrong) that the ultimate Truth is very simple. However our attempts to understand and explain it, using limitation of existing language and our own faculties, get packed with even more verbage, which furthers the complication.<br><br>The child represents the childlike simple faith and trust and desire without any question, a knowing from within our very being. Just acheiving that receptive state of mind grounded in an inner trust, itself takes lifetimes, I feel. One we have achieved it, all verbage dissappears. There is only THAT and THAT THOU ART!<br><br><br><br>Uma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 Very true Umaji, the ultimate truth has to be the simplest.<br><br>It is only our acquired knowledge, concepts, dogmas, experience etc which have created such a huge stumbling block(or rather Hill).<br><br>Any truth, however profound, arrived at logically, we tend to put in words or axioms like "Thou art that", which again is a hurdle! Creating a false sense of realisation of it.<br><br>When the talk dissappears,<br>the talk dissappears.<br>( ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 Very True! And those with complicated brains and complicated theories think that simple people are fools and can not reach god...then what about Nanak,kabir, mira,surdas,christ,valmiki,angulimaal ? <br><br> Baba Bulle shah has also written<br><br> Sabbey gallan gallardiyan<br> Alllah dee gal galla<br> Kuchh raula paya aliman<br> kujh kagzan payaa jhalla<br><br> The only Truth is God<br> all other truths are untruths<br> confusion was created by the learned<br> and chaos by the sacred books!!<br><br> Really_i_am thanks for such informative posts on Mantras<br><br> Could you also elaborate something on Vaikhari, Pashyanti, Madhyama and Para ? I think without mentioning them, the Mantra chapter is incomplete.<br><br>Hari Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 :-):-) Will try to soon. May some introduction from yourself first sir? Till then,<br>a story....<br>of keeta-bhramara nyaya (caterpillar-butterfly logic), as you contemplate, so you shall be. This thumb rule applies very much to any object of continuous concentration, be it a mantra-deity, or a butterfly as in the case of a caterpillar inside a pupa.<br>"One day, a wandering sadhu came upon a boy herding buffaloes. He was hungry, and the boy readily obliged him with some milk. After drinking to his satisfaction, the sadhu began to feel generous, and asked the herdsman, 'What would you like? I'm feeling fine, I'll give it to you.'<br>The boy laughed and said,'I really don't need anything. I do nothing all day long but herd my buffaloes, and am fully satisfied with that. Besides, sadhu-maharaj, you came to me as a beggar and I gave you alms. How can I expect anything from you in return? I am the giver, not you.'<br>The sadhu was taken aback by the reply, and realised that this was no ordinary buffalo-herd. But still feeling expansive he asked, 'What is it that you love most in the world?'<br>'Why, this buffalo', the boy replied innocently, 'the one whose milk you just drank. She is the largest I have, she gives me 10 gallons of milk everyday, she is broad and string, so loving and beautiful, I love her best of all.'<br>'All right', said the sadhu, 'please do one thing. Go sit in that cave and imagine that you are this buffalo. Think of her, keep her picture in mind, completely self identify with her, become her ! As you sit doing all this, repeat to yourself "Bhaisoham, bhaisoham"(I am a buffalo, I am a buffalo). Don't worry about a thing, I'll look after your buffaloes.'<br>The herdsman did exactly as the sadhu said, and after 3 days when the sadhu entered the cave, he found the boy sitting motionless with his eyes closed, repeating, "Bhaisoham, bhaisoham".<br>The sadhu said, 'So young man, how have you progressed? Come out now.'<br>Out came the reply,'Don't call me a young-man! I am a buffalo. Can't you see that? Look at my broad back! How can I leave this small cave? My horns are too broad to go thru the enterance. Now don't be foolish; go away and leave me alone or I'll gore you and toss you out with these beautiful horns of mine.'<br>But the sadhu persisted and said, 'Try to remember my boy, I told you to sit and do this. Now, instead of repeating, "I am a buffalo", start to identify with Shiva and repeat "Shivoham, Shivoham"(I am Shiva, I am Shiva).'<br>The herdsman did that, and in about fifteen minutes he was in a deep trance(samadhi). He realized his goal: The Universal Soul in the form of Lord Shiva.<br>The sadhu was astonished. Tears came to his eyes and he said to himself, 'This fellow sits only three and a half days and achieves and I have wandered around practising without success for so many years.'<br>Then he had to take that buffalo herd as his guru, and finally he also realized. I do not remember the real names of the characters in the story, but it is similar to what happened with Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa. What took his guru thirty years to achieve, Ramakrishna achieved in a few days."<br>This proves that time is not the critereon; if the desire is strong enough the result must occur without delay. All has to be forgotten except the name and form of the deity. Hence it is important to choose a mantra and deity to which has very strong inherent affinity for, the Guru can be very helpful here as he can look behind the make believe world of our imaginations.<br><br><<Both name and form are essential for worship. One part of the mind takes the shape of an object; that is form. Another part of the mind identifies and distinguishes it; that is name.>><br><br>To go directly to the highest form of samadhi is almost impossible. Even Ramakrishna had to worship Mother Bhavatarini for many years before his consciousness became one-pointed enough to achieve The Formless, but may be that was just Leela for a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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