Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 God is not a "who" as that is limiting. God is everything, everywhere. The best path? The one that is in your heart. The purpose of life? To learn , through many lifetimes to become one with God. The purpose of God? Love.<br><br>in love, mirabai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Om Arjuna8<br><br>Within space and time God is Ishvara. Beyond space and time God is Brahman. God is everywhere but is most evident deep inside of yourself. The best path to God is whatever path your personality allows you to take. The purpose of life is to know yourself as God.<br><br>God need no justification. God Is. But God's purpose for you is to bring you to Him.<br><br>Om namaha Sivaya<br><br>Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 how can you become one with god if god is everywhere? if god isn't a who what is god?If god is everywhere wouldn<br> that mean you already one with god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 hwy is god a him, it seems you like shiva?why would this god want to draw man and woman to him her? isn't god desireless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 It is my belief that our reincarnations are lessons that help us learn how to be one with God. You are using three dimensional thinking for something that has many many more dimensions. We are part and parcel of the divine as the divine always, but it is my belief that we strive to "BE" and only a very few have ever accomplished this. Expand your thinking past limitations and you will see ) in love, mirabai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Yes, you are right. You are already one with God. We are limited by certain deficiencies in our terminology.<br><br>The problem is we aren't aware of that Truth and if even we are aware mentally, we don't act with that awareness. <br><br>Gold doesn't show it's lustre unless it's polished. It is still Gold, polish or no polish. However no one makes jewelry out of it, till its impurities are removed. That process is saadhna.<br><br>_/\_ Tat twam asi<br><br>Uma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 how do you know what dimenson i am thinking on, the fact that you assume a conclusion that younothing of makes me think you know nothing of this subject matter.reincarnations are not lessons, what use is a lesson if you cannot remeber your previous life, reincarnation is noting but the chain of karma in motion, nothing more and nothing less, it has nothig ot do with awakening.ow do youknow only few have attained this so called stte your decribing, do tou know anyof them?And again how so youknow if i have any limitations or what l;evel of limitations i exhibit irt seems that your assumiong is the baisis of your knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 very wise statement, imbedded with truth tatwaasi, the gold anology is very similiar if not exact to what you are tryign to conveyr relatiing to my questions.but again what is god? is it a he? thing? force?<br>she? personal being or impersonal beiong? explain what this gopd is bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Oh my, such hostility I was speaking in general, we as humans are used to five sensory, three dimensional thinking. Reincarnations to me....are lessons. I believe we have choice. Again, I was not speaking of YOU in particular (does your ego tell you that I was?) I was speaking of the human race in general, as you were asking general questions. You asked, I gave you my opinion dear one......nothing more. in love, mirabai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 ok if that is the case then my mistake, articulate your words more so people won't be mistaken to what your saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Om Arjuna8<br><br>One has to refer to God as something, I chose Him for short term convenience but someon else could just as easily and correctly refer to God as Her, It, Cosmic Consciousness, Universal Spirit or any other encompassing name.<br><br>The universe and your life is arranged for you to eventually come to God for that is your True Identity. Do we not all want to find out who we truly are?<br><br>And, you are correct when you ask that if God is everywhere are we not already God. But, most of us do not realize this because we are dazzled by the phenomena of the senses, by our ego and we are dulled by the conditioning that has been imposed on us by parents, school, peer, community, country, workplace and, even, by the conditioning we place upon ourselves as we yearn to fit into these expectations of others. <br><br>Sadhana is the process of removing all of that conditioning until we come to experience directly that we in God and God is in us and, finally, that we are God.<br><br>Sadhana also involves moving from a linear thinking process that merely arranges and rearranges the so-called evidence of the senses to a more intuitive thinking process that involves the consciousness of the chakras.<br><br>Om namah Sivaya<br><br>Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Om Arjuna8<br><br>Unfortunately, ou are in error when you say, "reincarnations are not lessons" and offer as proof " what use is a lesson if you cannot remeber your previous life"<br><br>One's personality and life circumstances are determined by the events in our prior lives. They are there to reward or encourage us to continue to make choices that bring us closer to God-Realization OR to punish and show us the futility of acting in certain ways that take us away from God-Realization.<br><br>The events of prior lives are alive in the subconscious and in every cell of the body because of a Karmic substance called Leshya that is created with each of our thoughts, words and deeds. See the next post on Leshya.<br><br>Om namah Sivaya<br><br>Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 >>The problem is we aren't aware of that Truth and if even we are aware mentally, we don't act with that awareness. <<<br><br>The following story explains the above statement.<br>There once lived a hunter. One day as usual he set out to the forest for game. He spotted a lioness and was chasing it. The lioness was pregnant, and was running frantically hither and thither to protect its young. But the hunter ruthlessly shot the lioness. The lioness in her pain, gave birth to her young and died. There was a farmer in a hut nearby who was watching the whole episode. In his pity, he took the motherless cub, and started growing it along with his other goats. <br><br>This cub was growing with the other goats, and started to think of itself as a goat. It was bleating instead of roaring. It fed on grass and other plants instead of meat. When another carnivore came to prey, this cub also fled like the goats. Thus it had completely transformed into a goat. Thus passed many years and it became an adult lion.<br><br>One day, another lion suddenly came into the field to hunt for prey. All the goats and this lion fled quickly. The lion that came to hunt was shocked to see another lion flee. It ran quickly, and caught hold of the fleeing lion and asked, ' Why are you fleeing?" The fleeing lion answered, "B'cos you are a lion, and you will eat me." The hunter lion was shocked and said, " No, I will not eat you, b'cos you are also a lion. "<br><br>The fleeing lion could not believe its ears and said, " No, I'm not a lion. I am a goat, and you will eat me. "<br>The hunting lion said, " No you are not a goat. You are a lion. "<br>The fleeing lion asked, "How can you prove that I am a lion."<br>The hunting lion pulled the fleeing lion to a nearby well and said, "Look into your reflection..... Now do you see that your reflection is similar to mine. You also have a mane like me. Now do u understand, that you are also a lion."<br><br>The fleeing lion saw the similarities of their reflections, and realised that it was not a goat, but a lion. It then learned to roar, and to prey on herbivores. When it realised it true nature, it transformed itself into a lion. <br><br>Similarly we too like the cub, don't know or have forgotten our true nature, and falsely identify ourselves with this physical body. We comprehend the Universe as we perceive it thro' these senses, and know not that to know the Universe fully, we need to go beyond these 5 senses. Just like how another lion was needed to reveal the cub it's true nature, we too need a Guru to help us remove the veil of ignorance and to reveal or remind us our true Divine Nature. <br><br>Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 i didn't say they weren't lessons, i said they were not of any importance to this s o called megin with god.if you have amneisia<br>and do not even rember your name, what use is your past then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Om Arjuna8<br><br>If you had bothered to read and think about the post on Leshya you would see that your actions, words and deeds affect the chemistry and electromagnetic charge of your physical body which, in turn, produces the karmic substance called Leshya. Leshya accummulates to form impressions or samskaras as well as making changes in the mind and ego. All of these changes and samskaras combine to create situations in one's current and future lives that will result in pleasure or pain (reward or punishment, depending on one's viewpoint). So, while one may not have an explicit memory of past life events, those events are still recorded in the form of samskaras and modifications of the mind and ego in such a way that one is predisposed to act and create situations that give expression to those samskaras and modifications. <br><br>Memory of past lives is not required. All that is required is observation of one's current personality traits and thought processes and the conditions that they create. One naturally wants to avoid unpleasantness so future behaviour is modified. One also wants to grasp pleasure but over time realizes that pleasure also is a trap that leads back to unhappiness. The result is that the aspirant detaches his emotions from more and more actions, thereby preventing Leshya and samskaras from occuring. <br><br>Hope that makes it clearer for you.<br><br>Om namah Sivaya (or, allow yourself to accept the forces that will allow you to overcome negative qualities and replace them with positive qualities)<br><br>Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 like i aiagn said is there nay god or scripture written by a rsi who sai dpast lives have any thing to do with atmavid or moksa i am not interested in peoples philosophies, i have read no agama or sastra written by god or rsi who said past lives have anything to do with moksa or it's cultivation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2002 Report Share Posted February 25, 2002 Before seeing if the past has anything to do with moksha or Liberation, let's see what 'past' is . The following is a question(s) asked by a devotee to Ramana Maharshi.<br><br>Questioner: Yes, today is the result of yesterday, the past, and tomorrow, the future, will be the result of today, the present. Am I right?<br><br>Maharshi: There is neither past nor future. There is only the present. Yesterday was the present to you when you experienced it, and tomorrow will be also the present when you experience it. Therefore, experience takes place only in the present, and beyond experience nothing exists.<br><br>Question: Are the past and future mere imagination?<br><br>Maharshi: Yes, even the present is mere imagination, for the sense of time is purely mental. Space is similarly mental. <br><br>On another occassion Maharshi said, (I could not trace the exact text, and hence am writing the meaning below):<br><br>Do you know the present properly to know the past ? The past is something that is gone and cannot be changed. The future is yet to come and is unknown. What is fully in ur control is the present. Make full use of the present, and forget about the past and the future that is not in ur hands.<br><br>Hence, let's keep aside the matters that cannot be changed or are beyond our control and let's set our focus on how best we can manipulate the present to quickly and effectively reach our goal which is Moksha or Liberation.<br><br>Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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