Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 Authenticity of Gurus - 2 Continued Tatwamasi had said about a Guru arranging the marriage of a disciple. As I said earlier we run to the guru with all kinds of problems. Do you expect your Spiritual Guru to be a marriage counselor, career counselor, astrologer, and pranic healer? Sort of omnipotent. In my opinion the Guru was not right in arranging the marriage of a disciple. Just because he is Gurudeva he does not become God. I do not think even in the days of the Puranas Gurus decided whom the chelas should marry. This is sheer exploitation of the faith reposed in the Guru. I think the guru had an inflated Ego. This has nothing to do with culture. I find that the westerner takes his Guru more literally than the Indians. That is the reason why western disciples are preferred over Indian disciples. You can quote books galore to say that the Guru has that right. But these books also give the father of a son/daughter absolute right to decide whom he/she should marry. Even now in India many parents claim that right. Most of us now believe that the father does not have that right. If it is so neither does the Guru. The scriptures also gave a lot of rights to the King even if he was a tyrant. We threw out the kings and are better for it. We are always selective in our reading of the scriptures. Books which were written in an age when there was no appreciation of individual rights, when hereditary rights of ruling was the norm, when the society was feudal, cannot be taken to be the voice of God. What is written about spirituality is timeless. But the same cannot be said about code of conduct and other non-spiritual matters. I find that the younger generation of today is more religious than my generation. I am sure they will become more spiritual as they grow older. Without being very rigid in our definitions and qualifications of a Guru, we can search for a Guru. You will definitely find a Guru to your liking. You should have absolute faith in your Guru. But you should also realise that Guru is not God or omnipotent. He is also a human being and also has desires, wants etc. You cannot expect him to solve all your problems. If you have a problem say about switching jobs you cannot expect your Guru to get you a job or decide which job you should accept. You go to the Guru. You state your problem either orally or mentally. The Guru either by a word or glance will give you the inner strength required to find a solution to your problem. The idea that the Gurus are also human and are bound by the same samskaras, ego etc. will enable us to understand the Guru and serve him better. This will also enable us to cope with the situation in case someday we discover that the particular Guru was a Con Man. The people to decide whether a guru is genuine/authentic or not, are the disciples not the journalists and general public. I request the members to condone the mistakes in my grammar. My English teacher always told me that my grammar is weak. My Pranams to All the Past, Present and Future Gurus of the world. Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 My Beloved Self; If you give the Guru the right to do these actions, then it is proper. If you do not, then the Guru holds no power over you. You and You alone are the determining factor in your life. No one else will make you happy. No one else will carry you to God's Throne. Love baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 I guess then we are looking at the ideal student - The one who is confident enough to know those boundaries, those who are able to surrender their egos without their soul, those who are able to recognize the authentic Guru. What then happens to the hungry, traveler, saddened by life's trials, desperately seeking for guidance; a guide, a father, a mother, a manisfestation, a personalization of the ultimate "God"? .. like so many students who have been let down by their "Gurus" because they expected more than what their Gurus can give. Are they then destined to pay a price for that ingorance, repeating experiences till they evolve into stronger ideal students? _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma ============================================= **This is a reply to Post #3351 from baba108. (One can access that by clicking <Upthread> on row of options above message) =============================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 Balsekar put it: The fact of the matter is: it is His Will which has always prevailed; it is His Will which is now prevailing; and it is His Will which will prevail in the future. That is a fact. The longer it takes one to accept that fact, the longer will one suffer. All conundrums, all apparent riddles, paradoxes and contradictions subsist only in the split-mind base on subject-object relationship. They resolve themselves as soon as they are seen from the viewpoint of Totality. There cannot be any volition. God cannot let two billion people have volition and still run this universe with any kind of precision! Bhagavan Ramana: When there is one great force looking after all the world, why should we bother what we shall do? baba: Each person and event in your life is God, the Guru, come to you in that form to teach a lesson. If it is not learned, the lesson will repeat. Love baba ps It may seem that I am avoiding the issue. In some cases the disciples are far above the guru. This is quite common. They do not see the slide of hand. They do not hear the cries of raped children. Yet I know these disciples are pure souls. Such is the mysteries of God. Jai Maa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 >>You can quote books galore to say that the Guru has that right. But these books also give the father of a son/daughter absolute right to decide whom he/she should marry. Even now in India many parents claim that right. << This is a question that bothers many. Many feel that their parents, or Gurus do not have the right to choose the life partners for them. But does it mean that those who have choosen their own life partners have done so at their own free will ? If yes, then let's consider the following questions. 1. Did you choose your nationality? 2. Did you choose your mom? 3. Did you choose your dad? 4. Did you choose your siblings? 5. Did you choose your skin color? 6. Did you choose the way you look? 7. Did you choose your child (ren) ? The answer for all of the above questions is 'NO'. Just like how we have not chosen our mom and dad, our child too does not choose his /her mom and dad. Our child's mom and dad are predestined. When the parents of your child are already predestined, how can one say that one has chosen his / her spouse at his/ her own freewill ? It's just an apparent freewill that makes us think we have made a decision on our own. In reality it is all predestined. The wise is he who sees thro' the veil of Maya and tries to get out of the cycle of birth and death. Hari Aum !!! , sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote: > Authenticity of Gurus - 2 > > Continued > > > Tatwamasi had said about a Guru arranging the marriage of a disciple. > As I said earlier we run to the guru with all kinds of problems. Do > you expect your Spiritual Guru to be a marriage counselor, career > counselor, astrologer, and pranic healer? Sort of omnipotent. > In my opinion the Guru was not right in arranging the marriage of a > disciple. Just because he is Gurudeva he does not become God. I do > not think even in the days of the Puranas Gurus decided whom the > chelas should marry. This is sheer exploitation of the faith reposed > in the Guru. I think the guru had an inflated Ego. This has nothing > to do with culture. I find that the westerner takes his Guru more > literally than the Indians. That is the reason why western disciples > are preferred over Indian disciples. > > You can quote books galore to say that the Guru has that right. But > these books also give the father of a son/daughter absolute right to > decide whom he/she should marry. Even now in India many parents claim > that right. Most of us now believe that the father does not have that > right. If it is so neither does the Guru. The scriptures also gave a > lot of rights to the King even if he was a tyrant. We threw out the > kings and are better for it. We are always selective in our reading > of the scriptures. > > Books which were written in an age when there was no appreciation of > individual rights, when hereditary rights of ruling was the norm, > when the society was feudal, cannot be taken to be the voice of God. > What is written about spirituality is timeless. But the same cannot > be said about code of conduct and other non-spiritual matters. > > I find that the younger generation of today is more religious than my > generation. I am sure they will become more spiritual as they grow > older. Without being very rigid in our definitions and qualifications > of a Guru, we can search for a Guru. You will definitely find a Guru > to your liking. You should have absolute faith in your Guru. But you > should also realise that Guru is not God or omnipotent. He is also a > human being and also has desires, wants etc. You cannot expect him to > solve all your problems. If you have a problem say about switching > jobs you cannot expect your Guru to get you a job or decide which job > you should accept. > > You go to the Guru. You state your problem either orally or mentally. > The Guru either by a word or glance will give you the inner strength > required to find a solution to your problem. The idea that the Gurus > are also human and are bound by the same samskaras, ego etc. will > enable us to understand the Guru and serve him better. This will also > enable us to cope with the situation in case someday we discover that > the particular Guru was a Con Man. > > The people to decide whether a guru is genuine/authentic or not, are > the disciples not the journalists and general public. > > I request the members to condone the mistakes in my grammar. My > English teacher always told me that my grammar is weak. > > > My Pranams to All the Past, Present and Future Gurus of the world. > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 My Beloved Self s_v_c_s God Bless You - you speak the Truth Love baba , s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote: > >>You can quote books galore to say that the Guru has that right. But > these books also give the father of a son/daughter absolute right to > decide whom he/she should marry. Even now in India many parents claim > that right. << > > This is a question that bothers many. Many feel that their parents, > or Gurus do not have the right to choose the life partners for them. > But does it mean that those who have choosen their own life partners > have done so at their own free will ? If yes, then let's consider the > following questions. > > 1. Did you choose your nationality? > 2. Did you choose your mom? > 3. Did you choose your dad? > 4. Did you choose your siblings? > 5. Did you choose your skin color? > 6. Did you choose the way you look? > 7. Did you choose your child (ren) ? > > The answer for all of the above questions is 'NO'. Just like how we > have not chosen our mom and dad, our child too does not choose > his /her mom and dad. Our child's mom and dad are predestined. When > the parents of your child are already predestined, how can one say > that one has chosen his / her spouse at his/ her own freewill ? > > It's just an apparent freewill that makes us think we have made a > decision on our own. In reality it is all predestined. The wise is he > who sees thro' the veil of Maya and tries to get out of the cycle of > birth and death. > > Hari Aum !!! > > > , sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote: > > Authenticity of Gurus - 2 > > > > Continued > > > > > > Tatwamasi had said about a Guru arranging the marriage of a > disciple. > > As I said earlier we run to the guru with all kinds of problems. Do > > you expect your Spiritual Guru to be a marriage counselor, career > > counselor, astrologer, and pranic healer? Sort of omnipotent. > > In my opinion the Guru was not right in arranging the marriage of a > > disciple. Just because he is Gurudeva he does not become God. I do > > not think even in the days of the Puranas Gurus decided whom the > > chelas should marry. This is sheer exploitation of the faith > reposed > > in the Guru. I think the guru had an inflated Ego. This has nothing > > to do with culture. I find that the westerner takes his Guru more > > literally than the Indians. That is the reason why western > disciples > > are preferred over Indian disciples. > > > > You can quote books galore to say that the Guru has that right. But > > these books also give the father of a son/daughter absolute right > to > > decide whom he/she should marry. Even now in India many parents > claim > > that right. Most of us now believe that the father does not have > that > > right. If it is so neither does the Guru. The scriptures also gave > a > > lot of rights to the King even if he was a tyrant. We threw out the > > kings and are better for it. We are always selective in our reading > > of the scriptures. > > > > Books which were written in an age when there was no appreciation > of > > individual rights, when hereditary rights of ruling was the norm, > > when the society was feudal, cannot be taken to be the voice of > God. > > What is written about spirituality is timeless. But the same cannot > > be said about code of conduct and other non-spiritual matters. > > > > I find that the younger generation of today is more religious than > my > > generation. I am sure they will become more spiritual as they grow > > older. Without being very rigid in our definitions and > qualifications > > of a Guru, we can search for a Guru. You will definitely find a > Guru > > to your liking. You should have absolute faith in your Guru. But > you > > should also realise that Guru is not God or omnipotent. He is also > a > > human being and also has desires, wants etc. You cannot expect him > to > > solve all your problems. If you have a problem say about switching > > jobs you cannot expect your Guru to get you a job or decide which > job > > you should accept. > > > > You go to the Guru. You state your problem either orally or > mentally. > > The Guru either by a word or glance will give you the inner > strength > > required to find a solution to your problem. The idea that the > Gurus > > are also human and are bound by the same samskaras, ego etc. will > > enable us to understand the Guru and serve him better. This will > also > > enable us to cope with the situation in case someday we discover > that > > the particular Guru was a Con Man. > > > > The people to decide whether a guru is genuine/authentic or not, > are > > the disciples not the journalists and general public. > > > > I request the members to condone the mistakes in my grammar. My > > English teacher always told me that my grammar is weak. > > > > > > My Pranams to All the Past, Present and Future Gurus of the world. > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 Lokha Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu (God Bless the World) Hari Aum !!! , baba108 <no_reply> wrote: > My Beloved Self > s_v_c_s > > God Bless You - you speak the Truth > > Love baba > > > , s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote: > > >>You can quote books galore to say that the Guru has that right. > But > > these books also give the father of a son/daughter absolute right > to > > decide whom he/she should marry. Even now in India many parents > claim > > that right. << > > > > This is a question that bothers many. Many feel that their parents, > > or Gurus do not have the right to choose the life partners for > them. > > But does it mean that those who have choosen their own life > partners > > have done so at their own free will ? If yes, then let's consider > the > > following questions. > > > > 1. Did you choose your nationality? > > 2. Did you choose your mom? > > 3. Did you choose your dad? > > 4. Did you choose your siblings? > > 5. Did you choose your skin color? > > 6. Did you choose the way you look? > > 7. Did you choose your child (ren) ? > > > > The answer for all of the above questions is 'NO'. Just like how we > > have not chosen our mom and dad, our child too does not choose > > his /her mom and dad. Our child's mom and dad are predestined. When > > the parents of your child are already predestined, how can one say > > that one has chosen his / her spouse at his/ her own freewill ? > > > > It's just an apparent freewill that makes us think we have made a > > decision on our own. In reality it is all predestined. The wise is > he > > who sees thro' the veil of Maya and tries to get out of the cycle > of > > birth and death. > > > > Hari Aum !!! > > > > > > , sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote: > > > Authenticity of Gurus - 2 > > > > > > Continued > > > > > > > > > Tatwamasi had said about a Guru arranging the marriage of a > > disciple. > > > As I said earlier we run to the guru with all kinds of problems. > Do > > > you expect your Spiritual Guru to be a marriage counselor, career > > > counselor, astrologer, and pranic healer? Sort of omnipotent. > > > In my opinion the Guru was not right in arranging the marriage of > a > > > disciple. Just because he is Gurudeva he does not become God. I > do > > > not think even in the days of the Puranas Gurus decided whom the > > > chelas should marry. This is sheer exploitation of the faith > > reposed > > > in the Guru. I think the guru had an inflated Ego. This has > nothing > > > to do with culture. I find that the westerner takes his Guru more > > > literally than the Indians. That is the reason why western > > disciples > > > are preferred over Indian disciples. > > > > > > You can quote books galore to say that the Guru has that right. > But > > > these books also give the father of a son/daughter absolute right > > to > > > decide whom he/she should marry. Even now in India many parents > > claim > > > that right. Most of us now believe that the father does not have > > that > > > right. If it is so neither does the Guru. The scriptures also > gave > > a > > > lot of rights to the King even if he was a tyrant. We threw out > the > > > kings and are better for it. We are always selective in our > reading > > > of the scriptures. > > > > > > Books which were written in an age when there was no appreciation > > of > > > individual rights, when hereditary rights of ruling was the norm, > > > when the society was feudal, cannot be taken to be the voice of > > God. > > > What is written about spirituality is timeless. But the same > cannot > > > be said about code of conduct and other non-spiritual matters. > > > > > > I find that the younger generation of today is more religious > than > > my > > > generation. I am sure they will become more spiritual as they > grow > > > older. Without being very rigid in our definitions and > > qualifications > > > of a Guru, we can search for a Guru. You will definitely find a > > Guru > > > to your liking. You should have absolute faith in your Guru. But > > you > > > should also realise that Guru is not God or omnipotent. He is > also > > a > > > human being and also has desires, wants etc. You cannot expect > him > > to > > > solve all your problems. If you have a problem say about > switching > > > jobs you cannot expect your Guru to get you a job or decide which > > job > > > you should accept. > > > > > > You go to the Guru. You state your problem either orally or > > mentally. > > > The Guru either by a word or glance will give you the inner > > strength > > > required to find a solution to your problem. The idea that the > > Gurus > > > are also human and are bound by the same samskaras, ego etc. will > > > enable us to understand the Guru and serve him better. This will > > also > > > enable us to cope with the situation in case someday we discover > > that > > > the particular Guru was a Con Man. > > > > > > The people to decide whether a guru is genuine/authentic or not, > > are > > > the disciples not the journalists and general public. > > > > > > I request the members to condone the mistakes in my grammar. My > > > English teacher always told me that my grammar is weak. > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to All the Past, Present and Future Gurus of the > world. > > > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Om svcs It is clear that the thread on Gurus is over. Those who have a Guru or who have the sensitivity to appreciate the value of a Guru will say that a Guru is necessary. Those who are not yet at that point on the spiritual continuum will say that a Guru is not necessary. One side will not convince the other. And each is entitled to their experience or lack thereof and their opinion. What is interesting and could be the start of another thread are your statements: > 1. Did you choose your nationality? > 2. Did you choose your mom? > 3. Did you choose your dad? > 4. Did you choose your siblings? > 5. Did you choose your skin color? > 6. Did you choose the way you look? > 7. Did you choose your child (ren) ? > > The answer for all of the above questions is 'NO'. The answer to all of those questions to many is not 'NO' but 'Yes, you do make those choices." Perhaps not choosing your children, but certainly the others. Swami Ramacharaka says, "Those who are re-born are not re-born against their will or desire. On the contrary, they are re-born because they actually desire it. Although they are not conscious of it, they instinctively place themselves again within the operations of the Law of Attraction, and are swept on to re-birth, in exactly the environment best calculated to enable them to live out and outlive these desires- to express and exhaust the force of desire." This should come as no surprise to those who appreciate how samskaras and vasanas develop, and how the forces of Karma result in one encountering that which past actions have directed him or her toward. Om namah Sivaya Omprem , s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote: > >>You can quote books galore to say that the Guru has that right. But > these books also give the father of a son/daughter absolute right to > decide whom he/she should marry. Even now in India many parents claim > that right. << > > This is a question that bothers many. Many feel that their parents, > or Gurus do not have the right to choose the life partners for them. > But does it mean that those who have choosen their own life partners > have done so at their own free will ? If yes, then let's consider the > following questions. > > 1. Did you choose your nationality? > 2. Did you choose your mom? > 3. Did you choose your dad? > 4. Did you choose your siblings? > 5. Did you choose your skin color? > 6. Did you choose the way you look? > 7. Did you choose your child (ren) ? > > The answer for all of the above questions is 'NO'. Just like how we > have not chosen our mom and dad, our child too does not choose > his /her mom and dad. Our child's mom and dad are predestined. When > the parents of your child are already predestined, how can one say > that one has chosen his / her spouse at his/ her own freewill ? > > It's just an apparent freewill that makes us think we have made a > decision on our own. In reality it is all predestined. The wise is he > who sees thro' the veil of Maya and tries to get out of the cycle of > birth and death. > > Hari Aum !!! > > > , sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote: > > Authenticity of Gurus - 2 > > > > Continued > > > > > > Tatwamasi had said about a Guru arranging the marriage of a > disciple. > > As I said earlier we run to the guru with all kinds of problems. Do > > you expect your Spiritual Guru to be a marriage counselor, career > > counselor, astrologer, and pranic healer? Sort of omnipotent. > > In my opinion the Guru was not right in arranging the marriage of a > > disciple. Just because he is Gurudeva he does not become God. I do > > not think even in the days of the Puranas Gurus decided whom the > > chelas should marry. This is sheer exploitation of the faith > reposed > > in the Guru. I think the guru had an inflated Ego. This has nothing > > to do with culture. I find that the westerner takes his Guru more > > literally than the Indians. That is the reason why western > disciples > > are preferred over Indian disciples. > > > > You can quote books galore to say that the Guru has that right. But > > these books also give the father of a son/daughter absolute right > to > > decide whom he/she should marry. Even now in India many parents > claim > > that right. Most of us now believe that the father does not have > that > > right. If it is so neither does the Guru. The scriptures also gave > a > > lot of rights to the King even if he was a tyrant. We threw out the > > kings and are better for it. We are always selective in our reading > > of the scriptures. > > > > Books which were written in an age when there was no appreciation > of > > individual rights, when hereditary rights of ruling was the norm, > > when the society was feudal, cannot be taken to be the voice of > God. > > What is written about spirituality is timeless. But the same cannot > > be said about code of conduct and other non-spiritual matters. > > > > I find that the younger generation of today is more religious than > my > > generation. I am sure they will become more spiritual as they grow > > older. Without being very rigid in our definitions and > qualifications > > of a Guru, we can search for a Guru. You will definitely find a > Guru > > to your liking. You should have absolute faith in your Guru. But > you > > should also realise that Guru is not God or omnipotent. He is also > a > > human being and also has desires, wants etc. You cannot expect him > to > > solve all your problems. If you have a problem say about switching > > jobs you cannot expect your Guru to get you a job or decide which > job > > you should accept. > > > > You go to the Guru. You state your problem either orally or > mentally. > > The Guru either by a word or glance will give you the inner > strength > > required to find a solution to your problem. The idea that the > Gurus > > are also human and are bound by the same samskaras, ego etc. will > > enable us to understand the Guru and serve him better. This will > also > > enable us to cope with the situation in case someday we discover > that > > the particular Guru was a Con Man. > > > > The people to decide whether a guru is genuine/authentic or not, > are > > the disciples not the journalists and general public. > > > > I request the members to condone the mistakes in my grammar. My > > English teacher always told me that my grammar is weak. > > > > > > My Pranams to All the Past, Present and Future Gurus of the world. > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Dear all The beauty of our club is that we have such a beautiful variety of thoughts that are shared on a topic, each from the level of one's experience. For no one can do any more. Isn't that why we seek a teacher to be experienced in what they are teaching? This topic of Gurus can never be over, per se. If so, then in spite of such proliferation of information on the net and otherwise, one still finds people who are dissappointed, hurt or are still following a leader who is less than what we would expect from a Guru. Seekers, are always seeking, and as they do so, new doubts arise leading to a need for different presentations of, often the same information. Each individual representing a different configuration of karmic experiences comes up with another unique set of doubts or queries, even though ultimately they all converge on a similar point. Till then, we must honor all expereinces, each of which may appear limited to the other. I remember a conversation with a dear friend who was a long time Hatha Yoga teacher with one of the major Yoga schools. She had just been jolted with the news of some scandals about her Guru. In total amazement, as she related how she felt the rug had been pulled under her, she also expressed how the Guru, in spite of everything, had been and still was such an amazingly wise individual. He has given such wonderful guidance to so many. She wondered how it was possible. To her, the issue was black or white. A Guru could be perfect or not be a Guru at all. As I listened to her, empathizing with her feeling of rejection, I realized the difference in my experiential background. I had grown up in India, and even though was not involved in much of formal religious/spiritual activities, had picked up many ideas almost sublimaly. For instance, I knew, that there was only ONE perfection. All others were at various levels of the journey. I had known or seen worshipping of Gurus, but I "knew", they were also human. Any finite form has to express limitation, even if it is a manifestation of the infinite. The limitation is of the form. Not of the infinite potentiality. The debate about how to choose Gurus or the appropriateness of a Guru has long been going on in western circles, debated in various spiritual and psychological forums. What is considered "normal" in one society is not the same in the other. I was warned about that during my training in my profession. In each forum I hear the same thread, the expectations of those growing up in the West is diffferent from those of the East. I truely appreciate sankarukku is presenting the different aspects of Gurus, the many kinds, for many purposes. A Vedanta centered Guru's focus is different from a Tantric Guru while a Bhakti-centered Guru is different too. I have expereinced it. While the long term goals are all the same, the short terms goals and objectives are certainly different. Perhaps what is important is to understand, is that there are Gurus for all purposes and in one's choice or search one looks for resonance and personal safety. There is a subtle line which divides the surrender of ego and being open to exploitation. Also each individual is destined to face the consequences of their karmic journey, which may include being exploited and led astray. Ompremji says rightly, >>It is up to the seeker to purify themselves and develop sufficient detachment, discrimination, fearlessness and wisdom to recognize the true nature of those they choose to see as Guru.>> My original question stems from my personal need to spare the pain of exploitation to people. Because I have been spared any such pain, at least in this lifetime, I feel that need. However, that is my weakness. One has to honor the journey of all, and keep in mind that ultimately, the Guru finds the student, according to the level of consciouness. The students, through their desire set off a chain of energetic events, which bring them in contact with those they need to be. It is also argued about who decides the journey. Perhaps I am here on the net, writing posts through no choice of mine. I am destined to do so. On the other hand, perhaps I wished to connect with others in sadhna, and I was led to this forum. I see my guidance like this. "i" on the basis of past karmic baggage have the opportunity to make choices. Accordingly, "i" express desires. Those desires sets off into motion a chain of events, leading to the satisfaction of that desire. It is the law of sound and energy. How "i' respond to the chain of events determines my next step. Personaly, I let the universe know what I would like, but let HIM/HER drive my chariot. HE/SHE then takes me where I need to be. Ultimately the "i" is being led to the "I". "i" get to choose the pace with my actions. I sincerely thank all of you for sharing so completely your thoughts and experiences. Together, I know we have a greater wealth of knowledge than one would have otherwise had. Love to all _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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