Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Thanks simhmam..yes i agree with you and it was wrong to use "Downfall of Hinduism" by me, though i wished to say Downfall of our values of Hinduism by a majority of Hindus. I remember a few months before, when some miscreant muslims started the club "Awaited Kalki avtaar" and presented all type of misinformation and misleading facts about hinduism, I decided that we should do something to stop it. The best course thought by me was to complain to (who hardly listen to complaints though ). so I discussed this matter with a few of my learned friends. I was almost shocked to find the tolerance (read cowardice) of our Hindu friends one of whom was of the view "Muslims have every right to come to Hindu clubs and say whatever they liked",...the other a learned Vedanta scholar gave me a big lecture on how to treat all this as maya ! Well since I am not that learned one, i could not digest those views and went ahead with my own action. I then remembered Mahabharata...when Arjuna was down with misconception and confusion and asks Krishna " If the kingdom is won by death of fellows and relatives..i do not need it. Krishna could have said," Yes all this is Maya...forget this war and become a Sanyasin...think of Brahma as all" Why did Krishna not advise Arjuna to take all that war as Maya....because the Great Guru knew, the cowardice and Moha hidden behind the words of Arjuna...He could have advised him to renunciate the world at that juncture and forget war....BUT Krishna as HE was...he knew that Jiva (individual soul) has to fulfil his present Dharma....He woke him up and asked him to fight and kill the enemies. Lord Rama, another incarnation of God...when his wife Sita was kidnapped by Ravana...he could have very well taken it as Maya and said," OK dear Ravana....it is all Maya...there is no wife..no enemy all his Brahma" Instead he wept like a child ....searched his wife...made an army of monkeys etc. and destroyed Ravana. Why did Rama not evade that war...if all is Maya. God by these example showed us to apply correct philosophy at the correct time. But most of us did not take that philosophy...When Muslim Invaders were coming to loot Somanath temple, the priests there were simply chanting OM Namah shivaya...and said," Shiva will destroy the muslims" But shiva did not !!! Instead Muslim invaders plundered the temple and killed all the priests. Our problem is that we apply our philosophy at the wrong times....when neighbour's son dies...we simply say it was his Karma...and when something wrong happens to us we start blaming God. When there is time to fight...we give lecture on Vedanta..and when Vedanta is to be applied we start taking our personal revenges. The world is NO MAYA...if god has made us conscious at this level it is our Dharma to fulfil our duty with devotion...if it is a war...if it is spreading love..or it is looking after the children...all these duties are to be done as Dharma. If world is struggle...then it is for this struggle that GOD has sent us to Earthly consciousness. He does not want us to escape our wars with negativity...in the name of MAYA. Nahin ?? Hari Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 > Our problem is that we apply our philosophy at the wrong > times....when neighbour's son dies...we simply say it was his > Karma...and when something wrong happens to us we start blaming >God. When there is time to fight...we give lecture on Vedanta..and >when Vedanta is to be applied we start taking our personal >revenges.>> I love it silentsoulji, when you call a spade a spade and don't beat around the bush! Welcome back ! My question is what is it that makes us do that? Is it because we don't really understand the principles? Is it because we are afraid to truly apply the appropriate principles at the right time? Or is it the job of different groups of people to react in different ways to keep a balance in our universe. I can't imagine Vedantins fighting a war on "themselves", nor can I imagine Karma Yogis blaming anyone for their experiences. As I had asked earlier, I wonder if the occupations prescribed in the shastras, (priests/teachers, warriors, traders and workers), were made so that the various roles in karmasthan (place where one works out one's karma), were addressed by people with appropriate temperaments. Love _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma ************************************************** This is a reply to post no. 3374 by silentsoul_55 ************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 Uma you asked ," My question is what is it that makes us do that? Is it because we don't really understand the principles? Is it because we are afraid to truly apply the appropriate principles at the right time?"" Well to understand this problems, and then finding a solution to this... is called Sadhna. Sadhna as you once said in one of your posts is not sitting quietly in the meditation room, but applying it to worldly affairs. And when we start applying our philosophy to practical terms, we find that the world is full of contradictions...Our egoistical mind takes over from us, and presents a picture truely deformed and well tailored to our ego satisfication.....to tell us we are always right and others necessarily wrong. Our mind presents us all those philosophies which suit our ego-needs. The final aim of Mother Nature is to make us one with the Universe, where we will feel one with all living and non-living entities of the universe...where we will feel the grief and joys of creation (a consciousness said to be of God)....and we can offer our share of Ahuti in this Yagya of Mother Nature, by understanding the pains and joys of others...not only of our own. And as long as we live for our joys and and our pains, Mother will continue presenting different circumstances before us so that we understand. If we start feeling one with other's pains and joys, perhaps we would be presenting a short cut for Mother to expedite our journey. One example will explain this...when Talibaan hijacked Indian Airlines plane to Afganistan and killed a man before his newly wed wife, Americans dismissed this as a political disturbance of Indian concern only....they did not see an angle of terrorism and anti- humanity in this and remained cruelly stoic to this incident not feeling the pain of the unfortunate passangers and did not act to wipe tears of the woman, whose husband was brutally murdered before her eyes, on the pretext of Islamic Jehaad. And Mother Nature presented the same circumstances to american, soon and then every american was having tears in his eyes. The incident of 11 september was most unfortunate, but it was to tell americans to be aware of other's pains. Then american president on his visit to India, met that widow and assured her of revenge for her husband...and then the taalibaans who did not feel pain of those whom they killed, were destroyed on their own land by usa...and so on. We can find such examples in our day to day life....when ever we see some one in distress and we even after being in a position to wipe off his tears, do not feel his pain ....Mother will present the same situation before us to feel that pain.. Perhaps this is the seed of the continuation of the Universe......The more and more we feel connected to others..the lesser will be our own pains and sorrows and we may get more free time to think of the Supreme...or rather we will be becoming one slowly.. Hari Aum , "tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > > Our problem is that we apply our philosophy at the wrong > > times....when neighbour's son dies...we simply say it was his > > Karma...and when something wrong happens to us we start blaming > >God. When there is time to fight...we give lecture on Vedanta..and > >when Vedanta is to be applied we start taking our personal > >revenges.>> > > I love it silentsoulji, when you call a spade a spade and don't beat > around the bush! Welcome back ! > > My question is what is it that makes us do that? Is it because we > don't really understand the principles? Is it because we are afraid > to truly apply the appropriate principles at the right time? Or is it > the job of different groups of people to react in different ways to > keep a balance in our universe. I can't imagine Vedantins fighting a > war on "themselves", nor can I imagine Karma Yogis blaming anyone for > their experiences. As I had asked earlier, I wonder if the > occupations prescribed in the shastras, (priests/teachers, warriors, > traders and workers), were made so that the various roles in > karmasthan (place where one works out one's karma), were addressed by > people with appropriate temperaments. > > Love > > _/\_ Tat twam asi > > Uma > > ************************************************** > This is a reply to post no. 3374 by silentsoul_55 > ************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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