How and what exactly is moksha? And about gnostic alchemy.

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NAMASTE! Thanks for the welcome post and the comments everyone! I am

very happy to be here.

 

I have been studying a little a path called gnosticism because it has

many similarities to the Indian Philosophy and even uses some raja

yoga techiques, however recently I was taught there a new way of

interpreting the process to liberation and I would really like to

hear your opinions on this subject.

 

They use the term of alchemy (the philosophers stone?) to describe

the activating of kundalini which transforms the energies of the

body (into gold colour?) to enter sushumna nadi and ascend to the

crone chakra. I dont really have knowledge on tantra but it sounds to

me that what they are trying to teach is a tantric concept. We

usually say that all paths lead to the same goal, be that raja yoga,

bhakti, karma or gyana and I cant really accept the fact that these

people exclude any other path to tranforming the energies and

activating kundalini but through sex. We use the symbol of snake for

the kundalini and it is also the symbol of sex in the western

psychology. It might be that there is a link between the two, but an

identification? ...

 

I posted a message in their forum asking clarifications and I will

paste it here. I used an old posting of silentsoulji in it related to

astral travel as this group practices astral travel too and it would

be a good way to aproach them.

 

I sincerely hope that there is someone in this club who has studied

this philosophy could provide with some information on what happens

when enlightment takes place in the path of raja yoga and what all is

correct in the ideas expressed in the posting.

 

"I recently read the lecture on alchemy which was very interesting.

Actually all lectures are spiritual gems and I am very grateful to be

able to access this knowledge. However it left me with some doubts,

perhaps to be cleared later in my life or even now. What surprised me

was the statement that a celibate person cannot practice alchemy. I

was under the impression that the sexual energies dont necessarily

have to do with sex. By studying some of the occult anatomy and the

indian tantra, I was under the impression that the feminine and

masculine aspect of the divine are in every person. Kundalini or

shakti ( the female aspect of this energy, shakti as mother Durga

perhaps the equivalent of the gnostic divine mother?) has to unite

with Shiva( the male aspect, the holy ghost) and thus achieve

salvation in the crone chakra as it ascends through sushumna nadi.

There would take place the "cosmic orgasm" or enlightment or the

creation of the solar body. I thought that physical sex is only a

form of reflection of this esoteric process, which only leads people

away from the path. I dont have anything against AUTHENTIC tantric

practices, after all sex has very strong power and i can imagine

these practices being very effective, but is it really necessary to

practice them for alchemy? How can one be sure that they will not

lead one to giving in to lust? Isnt it possible to control and

transform the sexual energies through forms of meditation and pranic

control, either through the air (breathing) or through consciously

drawing the energy from the sun or earth?

 

After all the kundalini is activated even through detachment of the

astral body from the physical but it just doesnt ascend upwards.

Kundalini starts vibrating and emitting vermon colored energies which

enter the sushumna nadi. These energies turn to pure white after

entering sushumna. The passage of this pure energy towards the crown

chakra, causes the vibrations felt by most of the projecting people.

In some cases it causes the feeling of inertia or paralyses in the

body. when this white energy reaches the back of the head, bond of

Prana is broken & it separates physical body from the rest of the

bodies. The mind vibrates at a higher and more subtle frequency and

becomes more powerful at this stage.

 

I have to confess that I dont really know about alchemy and perhaps I

shouldnt be talking about it. It just created some doubts in me

although I am always open for exploring and experiencing myself other

points of view. After all this is what the spiritual quest is all

about. I would be grateful if you would kindly clear this doubt to

me."

 

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, "tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote:

> > I have always hesitated to post anything in this club because all

> > postings are so well written from so learned people.whenever I

> > attempted to post anything, I worked on it as if it were for my

> > school examinations

>

> Hi Angelina!

>

> Welcome and thank you for joining in the discusion. You are right.

We

> are blessed with some wonderful, eloquent writers with a beautiful

> command of the langage. However our club is for all. Sadhna has

> little to do with eloquence, it has to do with practice and

> experience. And that can be expressed in the simplest of language.

>

> I want to bring this to the notice of all, because this is a

> complaint I hear very often by many of our members. Perhaps I

> haven't been able to do a good job in reassuring our members that

all

> posts are welcome and pllllease don't worry about writing

abilities.

> This is not a essay contest. All that is needed is a simple

> expression of ideas, knowledge and experience.

>

> I can only keep repeating that and hope that other members also

> understand and join in the discussions.

>

> _/\_ Tat twam asi

>

> Uma

>

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