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Choosing an Ishtadevata is similar to choosing a

husband/wife/companion/friend. You ask a person why he or she chose

someone as a husband/wife/companion; he or she might give you some

answers. But basically you fall in love with someone and then try to

justify your selection. We can try to rationalize our decision but

cannot do it completely. It is a decision of the heart. It is

something called Love. You choose your Ishtadevata out of love. It is

a decision of the heart. The intellect does not play a major role in

the selection. That is the reason we end up by saying MAA chose me.

Don't we end all discussions about the choice of our lover by saying

I fell in Love. Period.

 

But there is a basic difference. Here the love could be Mathru bhava,

Pithru bhava, Vathsalya bhava etc, depending upon how you view your

Ishtadevata as Mother, father, child, friend, lover etc.

 

However we can analyze the reasons for choosing a particular deity

as Ishtadevata.

 

1. In most of the cases the Deity whom you have known from childhood

is the Ishtadevata. If you have played with Krishna idols in

childhood most likely Krishna will be your Ishtadevata. Krishna is I

think the most popular God as Ishtadevata as we believe that Krishna

is our friend. We look at his pictures as Bala Krishna and feel

comfortable with him rather than with Siva who is always a father

figure.

 

2. The family deity is another choice. Again a question of

familiarity.

 

In these cases it is like falling in love with your childhood friend.

 

3. Many people who are devotees of Bagavan Sri Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa also become devotees of MAA BHAVATHARINI. Since you read

so much about her that over a period of time she becomes your

Ishtadevata.

 

4. Many people are attracted to MAA KAALI because there is no caste

distinction in most of her temples. MAA KAALI/ MAA Durga is the

favourite Goddess of all revolutionaries because of their association

with overcoming the forces of evil.

 

Recently I was talking to a converted Hindu from Europe. She said

that she saw a photograph of a Hindu goddess in a shop and

immediately felt that this is her deity.

 

You always hear of the classical theory of the three gunas. Satwik,

Rajasaik, Tamasik. People and gods are again classified according to

the gunas. The theory says you choose the gods according to the gunas

to which you belong. This theory looks good, but in practice it

becomes irrelevant. MAA KAALI is the popular Goddess in Bengal. She

is very popular among the so-called lower castes in South India. Do

we conclude that all Bengalis and South Indians who worship MAA KAALI

are Tamasik or Rajasaik in nature? Was Bagavan Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa Tamasik or Rajasaik in nature? We worship our Ishtadevata

as the Ultimate power. This has no gunas. Nirguna. That is why MAA

KAALI is called trigunathmikai. So we can safely discard this theory.

 

So Erica, you choose your Ishtadevata as one whom you fall in love

with. When it happens it will happen. Then you can rationalize your

decision. As I said earlier the Ishtadevata could mean mother,

father, child, friend etc. depending upon your feeling. Psychologists

have written so many books trying to explain why we fall in love with

someone or why we choose our friends. But I do not think there is a

perfect answer. Again the concept of Ishta Devata is basically

Tantrik. The Smarthas (I was born one) do not believe in this. But

most people have a favourite god. Only that most of the Hindus do not

use the term Ishta devata. Your favourite God becomes your Ishta

Devata.

 

I remember one of friends in a saying that even in

spirituality, everything has to be logical. I do not think we can

rationalize decisions of the heart. The decisions are not always

logical.

 

It is not necessary to have an Ishtadevata for spiritual or religious

Sadhana. But if you look into your heart you will find your Ishta

devata. Other than Ishta Devata, you have Kula Devata, Grama Devata

etc.

 

 

Sankar

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Dear Sankar,

 

Would it not be correct to call one's personal deity 'Ishta Devi', if

that deity were a goddess?

 

Namaste!

 

KrishnaDas.

 

 

 

-- In , sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote:

>

>

> Choosing an Ishtadevata is similar to choosing a

> husband/wife/companion/friend. You ask a person why he or she chose

> someone as a husband/wife/companion; he or she might give you some

> answers. But basically you fall in love with someone and then try

to

> justify your selection. We can try to rationalize our decision but

> cannot do it completely. It is a decision of the heart. It is

> something called Love. You choose your Ishtadevata out of love. It

is

> a decision of the heart. The intellect does not play a major role

in

> the selection. That is the reason we end up by saying MAA chose me.

> Don't we end all discussions about the choice of our lover by

saying

> I fell in Love. Period.

>

> But there is a basic difference. Here the love could be Mathru

bhava,

> Pithru bhava, Vathsalya bhava etc, depending upon how you view your

> Ishtadevata as Mother, father, child, friend, lover etc.

>

> However we can analyze the reasons for choosing a particular deity

> as Ishtadevata.

>

> 1. In most of the cases the Deity whom you have known from

childhood

> is the Ishtadevata. If you have played with Krishna idols in

> childhood most likely Krishna will be your Ishtadevata. Krishna is

I

> think the most popular God as Ishtadevata as we believe that

Krishna

> is our friend. We look at his pictures as Bala Krishna and feel

> comfortable with him rather than with Siva who is always a father

> figure.

>

> 2. The family deity is another choice. Again a question of

> familiarity.

>

> In these cases it is like falling in love with your childhood

friend.

>

> 3. Many people who are devotees of Bagavan Sri Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa also become devotees of MAA BHAVATHARINI. Since you

read

> so much about her that over a period of time she becomes your

> Ishtadevata.

>

> 4. Many people are attracted to MAA KAALI because there is no caste

> distinction in most of her temples. MAA KAALI/ MAA Durga is the

> favourite Goddess of all revolutionaries because of their

association

> with overcoming the forces of evil.

>

> Recently I was talking to a converted Hindu from Europe. She said

> that she saw a photograph of a Hindu goddess in a shop and

> immediately felt that this is her deity.

>

> You always hear of the classical theory of the three gunas. Satwik,

> Rajasaik, Tamasik. People and gods are again classified according

to

> the gunas. The theory says you choose the gods according to the

gunas

> to which you belong. This theory looks good, but in practice it

> becomes irrelevant. MAA KAALI is the popular Goddess in Bengal. She

> is very popular among the so-called lower castes in South India. Do

> we conclude that all Bengalis and South Indians who worship MAA

KAALI

> are Tamasik or Rajasaik in nature? Was Bagavan Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa Tamasik or Rajasaik in nature? We worship our

Ishtadevata

> as the Ultimate power. This has no gunas. Nirguna. That is why MAA

> KAALI is called trigunathmikai. So we can safely discard this

theory.

>

> So Erica, you choose your Ishtadevata as one whom you fall in love

> with. When it happens it will happen. Then you can rationalize your

> decision. As I said earlier the Ishtadevata could mean mother,

> father, child, friend etc. depending upon your feeling.

Psychologists

> have written so many books trying to explain why we fall in love

with

> someone or why we choose our friends. But I do not think there is a

> perfect answer. Again the concept of Ishta Devata is basically

> Tantrik. The Smarthas (I was born one) do not believe in this. But

> most people have a favourite god. Only that most of the Hindus do

not

> use the term Ishta devata. Your favourite God becomes your Ishta

> Devata.

>

> I remember one of friends in a saying that even in

> spirituality, everything has to be logical. I do not think we can

> rationalize decisions of the heart. The decisions are not always

> logical.

>

> It is not necessary to have an Ishtadevata for spiritual or

religious

> Sadhana. But if you look into your heart you will find your Ishta

> devata. Other than Ishta Devata, you have Kula Devata, Grama Devata

> etc.

>

>

> Sankar

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Om Sankarrukku

 

With all due respect, you are in error to say that Kali mantras are

nirguna. Kali mantras, such as Om Sri Maha Kalikayai Namah,

are by definition Saguna Mantras. Any Mantra that is focussed on

an Ishtadevata is saguna (i.e. with quality) because that

Ishtadevata has qualities.

 

It is not correct to say, "We worship our Ishtadevata as the

Ultimate power. This has no gunas. Nirguna." We actually

worship the Ishtadevata as a representative of Brahman, the

Ultimate. It is through worship of the particular that we eventually

arrive at the General. Saguna Mantras have form-producing

powers, eventually the form of the Ishtadevata appears.

Through continued meditation, one moves past the form, past

the Ishtadevata to the Divine Source from which the Ishtadevata

arose. This so with all Saguna Mantras, including the Kali

Mantras.

 

Incidentally, even Nirguna Mantras have form-producing

qualities. From the repetition of AUM, for example,the Sri Yantra

appears.

 

Om namah Sivaya

 

Omprem

 

, sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote:

>

>

> Choosing an Ishtadevata is similar to choosing a

> husband/wife/companion/friend. You ask a person why he or

she chose

> someone as a husband/wife/companion; he or she might give

you some

> answers. But basically you fall in love with someone and then

try to

> justify your selection. We can try to rationalize our decision but

> cannot do it completely. It is a decision of the heart. It is

> something called Love. You choose your Ishtadevata out of

love. It is

> a decision of the heart. The intellect does not play a major role

in

> the selection. That is the reason we end up by saying MAA

chose me.

> Don't we end all discussions about the choice of our lover by

saying

> I fell in Love. Period.

>

> But there is a basic difference. Here the love could be Mathru

bhava,

> Pithru bhava, Vathsalya bhava etc, depending upon how you

view your

> Ishtadevata as Mother, father, child, friend, lover etc.

>

> However we can analyze the reasons for choosing a particular

deity

> as Ishtadevata.

>

> 1. In most of the cases the Deity whom you have known from

childhood

> is the Ishtadevata. If you have played with Krishna idols in

> childhood most likely Krishna will be your Ishtadevata. Krishna

is I

> think the most popular God as Ishtadevata as we believe that

Krishna

> is our friend. We look at his pictures as Bala Krishna and feel

> comfortable with him rather than with Siva who is always a

father

> figure.

>

> 2. The family deity is another choice. Again a question of

> familiarity.

>

> In these cases it is like falling in love with your childhood

friend.

>

> 3. Many people who are devotees of Bagavan Sri Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa also become devotees of MAA BHAVATHARINI.

Since you read

> so much about her that over a period of time she becomes

your

> Ishtadevata.

>

> 4. Many people are attracted to MAA KAALI because there is no

caste

> distinction in most of her temples. MAA KAALI/ MAA Durga is

the

> favourite Goddess of all revolutionaries because of their

association

> with overcoming the forces of evil.

>

> Recently I was talking to a converted Hindu from Europe. She

said

> that she saw a photograph of a Hindu goddess in a shop and

> immediately felt that this is her deity.

>

> You always hear of the classical theory of the three gunas.

Satwik,

> Rajasaik, Tamasik. People and gods are again classified

according to

> the gunas. The theory says you choose the gods according to

the gunas

> to which you belong. This theory looks good, but in practice it

> becomes irrelevant. MAA KAALI is the popular Goddess in

Bengal. She

> is very popular among the so-called lower castes in South

India. Do

> we conclude that all Bengalis and South Indians who worship

MAA KAALI

> are Tamasik or Rajasaik in nature? Was Bagavan

Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa Tamasik or Rajasaik in nature? We worship

our Ishtadevata

> as the Ultimate power. This has no gunas. Nirguna. That is

why MAA

> KAALI is called trigunathmikai. So we can safely discard this

theory.

>

> So Erica, you choose your Ishtadevata as one whom you fall in

love

> with. When it happens it will happen. Then you can rationalize

your

> decision. As I said earlier the Ishtadevata could mean mother,

> father, child, friend etc. depending upon your feeling.

Psychologists

> have written so many books trying to explain why we fall in love

with

> someone or why we choose our friends. But I do not think there

is a

> perfect answer. Again the concept of Ishta Devata is basically

> Tantrik. The Smarthas (I was born one) do not believe in this.

But

> most people have a favourite god. Only that most of the Hindus

do not

> use the term Ishta devata. Your favourite God becomes your

Ishta

> Devata.

>

> I remember one of friends in a saying that even in

> spirituality, everything has to be logical. I do not think we can

> rationalize decisions of the heart. The decisions are not always

> logical.

>

> It is not necessary to have an Ishtadevata for spiritual or

religious

> Sadhana. But if you look into your heart you will find your Ishta

> devata. Other than Ishta Devata, you have Kula Devata, Grama

Devata

> etc.

>

>

> Sankar

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Ishtodervota and Ishtodevi - is different - it is different - it is

more on personal level. Thank you for your explanation.

jyotiradityam

 

 

, sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote:

>

>

> Choosing an Ishtadevata is similar to choosing a

> husband/wife/companion/friend. You ask a person why he or she chose

> someone as a husband/wife/companion; he or she might give you some

> answers. But basically you fall in love with someone and then try

to

> justify your selection. We can try to rationalize our decision but

> cannot do it completely. It is a decision of the heart. It is

> something called Love. You choose your Ishtadevata out of love. It

is

> a decision of the heart. The intellect does not play a major role

in

> the selection. That is the reason we end up by saying MAA chose me.

> Don't we end all discussions about the choice of our lover by

saying

> I fell in Love. Period.

>

> But there is a basic difference. Here the love could be Mathru

bhava,

> Pithru bhava, Vathsalya bhava etc, depending upon how you view your

> Ishtadevata as Mother, father, child, friend, lover etc.

>

> However we can analyze the reasons for choosing a particular deity

> as Ishtadevata.

>

> 1. In most of the cases the Deity whom you have known from

childhood

> is the Ishtadevata. If you have played with Krishna idols in

> childhood most likely Krishna will be your Ishtadevata. Krishna is

I

> think the most popular God as Ishtadevata as we believe that

Krishna

> is our friend. We look at his pictures as Bala Krishna and feel

> comfortable with him rather than with Siva who is always a father

> figure.

>

> 2. The family deity is another choice. Again a question of

> familiarity.

>

> In these cases it is like falling in love with your childhood

friend.

>

> 3. Many people who are devotees of Bagavan Sri Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa also become devotees of MAA BHAVATHARINI. Since you

read

> so much about her that over a period of time she becomes your

> Ishtadevata.

>

> 4. Many people are attracted to MAA KAALI because there is no caste

> distinction in most of her temples. MAA KAALI/ MAA Durga is the

> favourite Goddess of all revolutionaries because of their

association

> with overcoming the forces of evil.

>

> Recently I was talking to a converted Hindu from Europe. She said

> that she saw a photograph of a Hindu goddess in a shop and

> immediately felt that this is her deity.

>

> You always hear of the classical theory of the three gunas. Satwik,

> Rajasaik, Tamasik. People and gods are again classified according

to

> the gunas. The theory says you choose the gods according to the

gunas

> to which you belong. This theory looks good, but in practice it

> becomes irrelevant. MAA KAALI is the popular Goddess in Bengal. She

> is very popular among the so-called lower castes in South India. Do

> we conclude that all Bengalis and South Indians who worship MAA

KAALI

> are Tamasik or Rajasaik in nature? Was Bagavan Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa Tamasik or Rajasaik in nature? We worship our

Ishtadevata

> as the Ultimate power. This has no gunas. Nirguna. That is why MAA

> KAALI is called trigunathmikai. So we can safely discard this

theory.

>

> So Erica, you choose your Ishtadevata as one whom you fall in love

> with. When it happens it will happen. Then you can rationalize your

> decision. As I said earlier the Ishtadevata could mean mother,

> father, child, friend etc. depending upon your feeling.

Psychologists

> have written so many books trying to explain why we fall in love

with

> someone or why we choose our friends. But I do not think there is a

> perfect answer. Again the concept of Ishta Devata is basically

> Tantrik. The Smarthas (I was born one) do not believe in this. But

> most people have a favourite god. Only that most of the Hindus do

not

> use the term Ishta devata. Your favourite God becomes your Ishta

> Devata.

>

> I remember one of friends in a saying that even in

> spirituality, everything has to be logical. I do not think we can

> rationalize decisions of the heart. The decisions are not always

> logical.

>

> It is not necessary to have an Ishtadevata for spiritual or

religious

> Sadhana. But if you look into your heart you will find your Ishta

> devata. Other than Ishta Devata, you have Kula Devata, Grama Devata

> etc.

>

>

> Sankar

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