Purgatory Mantras

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Purgatory Mantras

 

In one of my earlier messages I was talking about Mantras, which are

intensively purgatory in nature. These mantras purge you of your past

karmas, attachments and whatever stands in the way of your achieving

salvation. But to the ordinary person who is still attached to

material things, the process of purging will come as a shock. Many

people after practicing these Mantras complain that bad things are

happening in their life like loss of a job, estrangement with close

relatives, friends, loss of material things etc. etc. What they fail

to understand is that this is a way of paying your karmic debts and

getting rid of attachments.

 

In the case of all Mantras this sort of things happen. I know a

person who received initiation from the Swamiji in Ramakrishna math.

But he had so many problems that he approached the Math for giving up

his Mantra. I do not know what happened there. But what I do know is

that he went all the way to Varanasi from Kerala to give up his

Mantra. The changes brought about by Mantra japa or meditation may

not be always acceptable to the family and friends. I find parents

complaining about the effect of mantra on their children and

colleagues complain about the effect on their co-workers. In Mantra

Sasthra, which is Tantrik, there are no Suguna or Nirguna Mantras.

This division is Vedantic. Even the division of Spiritual and non-

spiritual mantras is artificial.

 

The path to the ultimate is not an easy one.

 

In the words of Swami Yatiswarananda (Meditation and Spiritual Life -

Ramakrishna math. Bangalore)

 

"Spiritual evolution at first brings great suffering to the aspirant,

not happiness. In the intermediate stages his life becomes very

difficult. Then he has no longer any real interest in what he has in

the world, and cannot yet obtain self-realisation, which is still

beyond his reach. It is just like hanging in mid-air without being

able to go up or down. "

 

Again in Swamiji's words

 

" We should look upon it as a great fortune that, for some reason or

the other, our mind possesses an attraction for the higher and

eternal things, and should see that we steadily and gradually proceed

along the higher path, never flagging till we reach the goal. Our

spiritual fervour is to be maintained, but we very often run the risk

of becoming slack. Thus spiritual striving stops in most people after

they have taken to the spiritual life for a certain time. Their minds

are too restless and too outgoing to keep up this spiritual fervour

and intensity for a long time, and to go on steadily and doggedly

with their spiritual practice, reading, and studies. So we should be

on our guard. Dogged tenacity is the one thing needed for spiritual

life. All progress can only be had through great steadiness and

tenacity, never allowing ourselves to flag or to become lukewarm. "

 

In India where we are very fond of our mad monks, such people who do

not seem normal are accepted. I know of many seekers in all margas

who cannot be called normal by the strict definition of normalcy. We

call them God Crazy. But tolerance and acceptance is part of the

Indian psyche. I have known many Sanskrit scholars, mathematicians,

and religious people who would have been committed to an institution

in other countries. I do not understand why there are more crazy

professors in Sanskrit and mathematics whereas we rarely find one in

Economics.

 

But then in a crazy world everyone is crazy. Power crazy, money

crazy, fame crazy or God crazy.

 

 

Sankar

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tks sri sankrrukku ji...will you elaborate which mantras are more

powerful as Puragatory mantras..also which are the beeja mantras

those can be repeated without proper initiation by a guru...and what

are the dos and donts for them

 

Hari Aum

 

 

 

, sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote:

> Purgatory Mantras

>

> In one of my earlier messages I was talking about Mantras, which

are

> intensively purgatory in nature. These mantras purge you of your

past

> karmas, attachments and whatever stands in the way of your

achieving

> salvation. But to the ordinary person who is still attached to

> material things, the process of purging will come as a shock. Many

> people after practicing these Mantras complain that bad things are

> happening in their life like loss of a job, estrangement with close

> relatives, friends, loss of material things etc. etc. What they

fail

> to understand is that this is a way of paying your karmic debts and

> getting rid of attachments.

>

> In the case of all Mantras this sort of things happen. I know a

> person who received initiation from the Swamiji in Ramakrishna

math.

> But he had so many problems that he approached the Math for giving

up

> his Mantra. I do not know what happened there. But what I do know

is

> that he went all the way to Varanasi from Kerala to give up his

> Mantra. The changes brought about by Mantra japa or meditation may

> not be always acceptable to the family and friends. I find parents

> complaining about the effect of mantra on their children and

> colleagues complain about the effect on their co-workers. In Mantra

> Sasthra, which is Tantrik, there are no Suguna or Nirguna Mantras.

> This division is Vedantic. Even the division of Spiritual and non-

> spiritual mantras is artificial.

>

> The path to the ultimate is not an easy one.

>

> In the words of Swami Yatiswarananda (Meditation and Spiritual

Life -

> Ramakrishna math. Bangalore)

>

> "Spiritual evolution at first brings great suffering to the

aspirant,

> not happiness. In the intermediate stages his life becomes very

> difficult. Then he has no longer any real interest in what he has

in

> the world, and cannot yet obtain self-realisation, which is still

> beyond his reach. It is just like hanging in mid-air without being

> able to go up or down. "

>

> Again in Swamiji's words

>

> " We should look upon it as a great fortune that, for some reason

or

> the other, our mind possesses an attraction for the higher and

> eternal things, and should see that we steadily and gradually

proceed

> along the higher path, never flagging till we reach the goal. Our

> spiritual fervour is to be maintained, but we very often run the

risk

> of becoming slack. Thus spiritual striving stops in most people

after

> they have taken to the spiritual life for a certain time. Their

minds

> are too restless and too outgoing to keep up this spiritual fervour

> and intensity for a long time, and to go on steadily and doggedly

> with their spiritual practice, reading, and studies. So we should

be

> on our guard. Dogged tenacity is the one thing needed for spiritual

> life. All progress can only be had through great steadiness and

> tenacity, never allowing ourselves to flag or to become lukewarm. "

>

> In India where we are very fond of our mad monks, such people who

do

> not seem normal are accepted. I know of many seekers in all margas

> who cannot be called normal by the strict definition of normalcy.

We

> call them God Crazy. But tolerance and acceptance is part of the

> Indian psyche. I have known many Sanskrit scholars, mathematicians,

> and religious people who would have been committed to an

institution

> in other countries. I do not understand why there are more crazy

> professors in Sanskrit and mathematics whereas we rarely find one

in

> Economics.

>

> But then in a crazy world everyone is crazy. Power crazy, money

> crazy, fame crazy or God crazy.

>

>

> Sankar

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tks sankarrukku jee

I tried to post my reply 6 times and everytime disposed it

off...(is it a karmic debt ?)

 

again trying...well what are the beeja mantras which can be safely

used without proper initiation...any dos and donts ??

 

Hari Aum

 

 

 

 

, sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote:

> Purgatory Mantras

>

> In one of my earlier messages I was talking about Mantras, which

are

> intensively purgatory in nature. These mantras purge you of your

past

> karmas, attachments and whatever stands in the way of your

achieving

> salvation. But to the ordinary person who is still attached to

> material things, the process of purging will come as a shock. Many

> people after practicing these Mantras complain that bad things are

> happening in their life like loss of a job, estrangement with close

> relatives, friends, loss of material things etc. etc. What they

fail

> to understand is that this is a way of paying your karmic debts and

> getting rid of attachments.

>

> In the case of all Mantras this sort of things happen. I know a

> person who received initiation from the Swamiji in Ramakrishna

math.

> But he had so many problems that he approached the Math for giving

up

> his Mantra. I do not know what happened there. But what I do know

is

> that he went all the way to Varanasi from Kerala to give up his

> Mantra. The changes brought about by Mantra japa or meditation may

> not be always acceptable to the family and friends. I find parents

> complaining about the effect of mantra on their children and

> colleagues complain about the effect on their co-workers. In Mantra

> Sasthra, which is Tantrik, there are no Suguna or Nirguna Mantras.

> This division is Vedantic. Even the division of Spiritual and non-

> spiritual mantras is artificial.

>

> The path to the ultimate is not an easy one.

>

> In the words of Swami Yatiswarananda (Meditation and Spiritual

Life -

> Ramakrishna math. Bangalore)

>

> "Spiritual evolution at first brings great suffering to the

aspirant,

> not happiness. In the intermediate stages his life becomes very

> difficult. Then he has no longer any real interest in what he has

in

> the world, and cannot yet obtain self-realisation, which is still

> beyond his reach. It is just like hanging in mid-air without being

> able to go up or down. "

>

> Again in Swamiji's words

>

> " We should look upon it as a great fortune that, for some reason

or

> the other, our mind possesses an attraction for the higher and

> eternal things, and should see that we steadily and gradually

proceed

> along the higher path, never flagging till we reach the goal. Our

> spiritual fervour is to be maintained, but we very often run the

risk

> of becoming slack. Thus spiritual striving stops in most people

after

> they have taken to the spiritual life for a certain time. Their

minds

> are too restless and too outgoing to keep up this spiritual fervour

> and intensity for a long time, and to go on steadily and doggedly

> with their spiritual practice, reading, and studies. So we should

be

> on our guard. Dogged tenacity is the one thing needed for spiritual

> life. All progress can only be had through great steadiness and

> tenacity, never allowing ourselves to flag or to become lukewarm. "

>

> In India where we are very fond of our mad monks, such people who

do

> not seem normal are accepted. I know of many seekers in all margas

> who cannot be called normal by the strict definition of normalcy.

We

> call them God Crazy. But tolerance and acceptance is part of the

> Indian psyche. I have known many Sanskrit scholars, mathematicians,

> and religious people who would have been committed to an

institution

> in other countries. I do not understand why there are more crazy

> professors in Sanskrit and mathematics whereas we rarely find one

in

> Economics.

>

> But then in a crazy world everyone is crazy. Power crazy, money

> crazy, fame crazy or God crazy.

>

>

> Sankar

[Guest guest]

I had written about Purgatory mantras with a view of providing

information on some of the mantras. As silentsoul said this happens

with all Sadhanas. We had a long discussion about this when we were

discussing obstacles to Sadhnaa some time back.

svcs has highlighted the importance of NamaJapa when faced with such

situations.

sidddha_ho has posted a message about Vastu and its influence.

 

My mother used to always say, " nothing is Saswadham in this world. "

She always said, "if we are alive tomorrow let us see what we can

do ". We used to tease her about these statements. But later on I

realised that the first step towards spirituality is when you accept

that nothing is saswadham.(ever-lasting).

 

Then talking about god and his grace, we believe that he will rush to

our help when we need it. This is true. But then our day-to-day

judgments are clouded by our desires and attachments. We are not able

to decide what is good and what is bad for us. Spiritually and even

materially. I will take the case of our jobs. We get a better paying

job, which needs relocation to a far away place. After relocating we

are beset with so many problems that we wish we had not left the

earlier job. It happens often that we regret our earlier decision. If

we did not get the job in the far away place we blame God for not

fulfilling our wish.

 

A child wants to buy an ice candy, which is sold on the street. The

mother knows that it is not good for the health of the child. She

refuses to buy the candy. The child is unhappy because it does not

know what is good for it. Sometimes if the child throws up a tantrum

the mother will buy the candy. The child becomes ill. In life if you

can adopt the same attitude towards God it is easier to handle any

situation. Mother knows what is best should be the attitude.

 

The disciples of Bagavan Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa went through

tremendous hardships in the early days when the mission was formed.

Most of these were from well to-do families. None of them gave up

when faced with starvation and other problems. Sant Tukaram faced so

many hardships. Did he give up Vittala? Vittala also never gave up

Sant Tukaram. If we read the history of the Saints of Hinduism we

will find that all of them went through hardships. Did they give up?

None of them did.

 

My belief and also from whatever I have read, you can tackle the

situations by persevering with your Sadhana and total trust in God.

Guru's help will be only limited.

If you face problems in your Sadhana Guru can help you. But if you

have lost your job Guru can only reassure you that everything will

turnout fine. If you are dependant on your job for your livelihood,

MAA will ensure that you and your family are taken care of. But if

one is occupying a high position of power and influence and suddenly

loses that position, it only means that the power and fame were

acting as a hindrance to one's spiritual advancement and therefore

has been removed from your life. You lose a fortune because of

upholding some principle then, it is MAA's will that you are better

without the fortune.

 

But be assured MAA will never let any of her Bhakthas down. You take

one step toward her and MAA will take ten steps towards you. You may

not be able to meditate. Then you do Japa or prayer. There are no

prerequisites for Sadhana. Sadhana has to be started early in life.

But you do the type of Sadhana, which is suited to your age, family

position, temperament etc. The Sadhanas for householders is

necessarily different from that of the renunciates. In India even

when you travel a distance of 200 kilometers by road, you face so

many diversions and speed breakers. Our Ultimate goal is so far. Do

not get disheartened by the diversions, speed breakers and breakdowns.

 

In India we are always told to read the biographies of saints and

Sadhus. Whenever you are depressed you should read the stories of

saints, disciples of Bagavan Sri Ramakrishna, Sadhus. You will get

solace. I read the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. Listen to Bhajans,

devotional music. You will find the mood changing.

 

Many of the householder disciples like of Bagavan Sri Ramakrishna

like Nag Mahasay and Yogin Maa were as great souls as the well-known

renunciate disciples. You will also see how a person like Girish

Ghosh was transformed by coming into contact with Bagavan Sri

Ramakrishna and how even Hazra could get Mukthi. You draw inspiration

from the lives and teachings of great men.

 

I have written only from my own experience. This is a subject where

the experiences of everyone will vary. I do hope we get many members

to share their experience with the group.

 

Sankar