Guest guest Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 The Three states : -------------------- Most of us are familiar with and encounter the three states everyday. They are namely : 1. Waking state or Jagrat 2. Dream state or Swapna 3. Deep sleep or Sushupthi. There are higher states like Turiya, Turiya Tita, and samadhi, but let's have a look at the above 3 states before going into the details of the other states. Waking state or Jagrat : -------------------------- Jagrat is the state that we are in now. As said by Ramana Maharshi, the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i' thought. (please note that I am using 'i' instead of 'I'. 'i' stands for ego or that which makes us think we exist, and 'I' stands for Self or God. Here I'm using 'i' as I'm refering to the ego. ) All other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i' thought. Without 'i' there is no 'you', there is no world. In deep sleep there is no 'i', hence the world ceases to exist. On waking, the 'i' thought reappears, and with it all the other thoughts reappear. With the help of the five senses, the 'i' or the mind perceives the world. The 5 senses are merely tools, and do not perform any action by themselves. One does not see or hear if the mind is not associated with that sense organ. For eg. If one is really engrossed in reading a book, then one may not hear when someone speaks or calls out to him. This is because his mind has temporarily dissociated itself with his ears. Hence, what sees or hears, or smells etc is the mind and the sense organs are merely its tools. The world appears to us as perceived thro' these senses. If we had yet another sense, then the world would appear different. for eg. There are some birds that have black and white vision. The world appears differntly for them. We perceive colors, and the world appears a lot different to us. But our vision is limited between the red and violet colors of the spectrum. If we could perceive infrared and ultraviolet, the world would appear a lot more different. The world, and all the matter that we see in it are therefore mental creations of the mind that are formed with the help of the sense organs. The mind, from what it perceives, develops desires, and categorises the stimuli and the feedback as pleasure and pain, joy and sorrow etc accordingly. Since Happiness, or Bliss is the inherent nature, the mind on having forgotten its true natures, searches for happiness, and miscontrues the ephemeral pleasures for Happiness. And so it seeks happiness in external objects. To summarize, the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i' thought, and all the other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i' thought. The mind is the perceiver of the world, and does so with the help of the 5 sense organs. The mind sorts the data that it receives from the senses, and categorises them into joy and sorrow, pleasure and pain etc. We'll look at the details of the dreams state and deep sleep state (may be tomorrow) before unravelling the mystery of Advaita. References : 1. Teachings of Ramana Maharshi 2. Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda. 3. Book 'Advaita Rahasya'. Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 Namaste All, Sorry for the delay in posting. However I could not post earlier due to unavoidable reasons. In this post I'll be talking about the second state of consciousness which is dream state or swapna. (For info on the first state which is jagrat or waking state, please see the attached original message at the bottom of this message) Dream state or swapna : -------------------------- Like in the jagrat or the waking state, in the dream state too, we have a different set of 5 senses. We have dream senses of vision, hearing, taste, smell and touch. Why I am saying a different set of senses in the dream state is because, the senses that we have in jagrat cannot be used to perceive in the dream world and vice versa. For eg. Let's assume we have a lot of yummies in our room that we sleep. In our dream, we dream that we are very hungry. We are in a desperate need for food. We wander hither and thither for food. Can those yummies of the waking world, satisfy the hunger of the dream world ? The answer is 'NO'. The hunger of the dream world can be satisfied by dream food ONLY. Similarly, we cannot see, hear, taste or perceive the dream world, with the senses of the waking world, and vice versa. Just as how the senses of the dream world are different from the senses of the waking world, the 'i' of the dream world is also different from the 'i' of the waking world. Le't see how. eg. In the dream world, one could be the king of an empire. At the very snap of his fingers, a 100 attendents would come running to serve him. He could enjoy all the palatial luxuries. But on waking up, one realises that it was all but a dream. In the waking state, one is an ordinary citizen, and has to work hard to earn a living. The 'i' who was a king in the dream world is different from the 'i' who is an ordinary citizen in the waking state. In essence, the dream state also has its own set of senses thro' which it sees, hears, tastes and percieves. The 'i' in the dream perceives the dream world as perceived thro' the 5 dream senses. In my next post, we'll see about the deep sleep state or sushupti, and we'll later see, the essence and significance of dreams, the different kinds of consciousness, and how actually they are all reflections of the same ONE. References : 1. Teachings of Ramana Maharshi 2. Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda 3. 'Advaita Rahasya'. , s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote: > The Three states : > -------------------- > > Most of us are familiar with and encounter the three states everyday. > They are namely : > 1. Waking state or Jagrat > 2. Dream state or Swapna > 3. Deep sleep or Sushupthi. > > There are higher states like Turiya, Turiya Tita, and samadhi, but > let's have a look at the above 3 states before going into the details > of the other states. > > Waking state or Jagrat : > -------------------------- > > Jagrat is the state that we are in now. As said by Ramana Maharshi, > the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i' thought. > (please note that I am using 'i' instead of 'I'. 'i' stands for ego > or that which makes us think we exist, and 'I' stands for Self or > God. Here I'm using 'i' as I'm refering to the ego. ) > > All other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i' thought. Without 'i' > there is no 'you', there is no world. In deep sleep there is no 'i', > hence the world ceases to exist. On waking, the 'i' thought > reappears, and with it all the other thoughts reappear. > > With the help of the five senses, the 'i' or the mind perceives the > world. The 5 senses are merely tools, and do not perform any action > by themselves. One does not see or hear if the mind is not associated > with that sense organ. > For eg. If one is really engrossed in reading a book, then one may > not hear when someone speaks or calls out to him. This is because his > mind has temporarily dissociated itself with his ears. Hence, what > sees or hears, or smells etc is the mind and the sense organs are > merely its tools. > > The world appears to us as perceived thro' these senses. If we had > yet another sense, then the world would appear different. for eg. > There are some birds that have black and white vision. The world > appears differntly for them. We perceive colors, and the world > appears a lot different to us. But our vision is limited between the > red and violet colors of the spectrum. If we could perceive infrared > and ultraviolet, the world would appear a lot more different. > > The world, and all the matter that we see in it are therefore mental > creations of the mind that are formed with the help of the sense > organs. The mind, from what it perceives, develops desires, and > categorises the stimuli and the feedback as pleasure and pain, joy > and sorrow etc accordingly. > > Since Happiness, or Bliss is the inherent nature, the mind on having > forgotten its true natures, searches for happiness, and miscontrues > the ephemeral pleasures for Happiness. And so it seeks happiness in > external objects. > > To summarize, the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i' > thought, and all the other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i' > thought. The mind is the perceiver of the world, and does so with the > help of the 5 sense organs. The mind sorts the data that it receives > from the senses, and categorises them into joy and sorrow, pleasure > and pain etc. > > We'll look at the details of the dreams state and deep sleep state > (may be tomorrow) before unravelling the mystery of Advaita. > > References : > 1. Teachings of Ramana Maharshi > 2. Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda. > 3. Book 'Advaita Rahasya'. > > Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 tks SVCS for beautiful description of 3 states. You have written "Just as how the senses of the dream world are different from the senses of the waking world, the 'i' of the dream world is also different from the 'i' of the waking world" I have a question here ( cant help i hv many questions and no answers smiles. ). If "I" of the dream state is different than "I" of the waking state then...how come that the "I" of waking state remembers himself as King in dream...he does not see any other fellow as king...hence "I" in both cases is same...only the circumstances or the level of consciousness changed !! Can we have a re-thinking ? What do you think changes during waking state, dream state, deep sleep and Samadhi " Is it "I" which changes...but then it should not remember those happenings to him, if it is not "I" then who is changed... Hari Aum , s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote: > Namaste All, > > Sorry for the delay in posting. However I could not post earlier due > to unavoidable reasons. > > In this post I'll be talking about the second state of consciousness > which is dream state or swapna. (For info on the first state which is > jagrat or waking state, please see the attached original message at > the bottom of this message) > > Dream state or swapna : > -------------------------- > > Like in the jagrat or the waking state, in the dream state too, we > have a different set of 5 senses. We have dream senses of vision, > hearing, taste, smell and touch. Why I am saying a different set of > senses in the dream state is because, the senses that we have in > jagrat cannot be used to perceive in the dream world and vice versa. > > For eg. Let's assume we have a lot of yummies in our room that we > sleep. In our dream, we dream that we are very hungry. We are in a > desperate need for food. We wander hither and thither for food. Can > those yummies of the waking world, satisfy the hunger of the dream > world ? > The answer is 'NO'. > The hunger of the dream world can be satisfied by dream food ONLY. > > Similarly, we cannot see, hear, taste or perceive the dream world, > with the senses of the waking world, and vice versa. > > Just as how the senses of the dream world are different from the > senses of the waking world, the 'i' of the dream world is also > different from the 'i' of the waking world. Le't see how. > eg. In the dream world, one could be the king of an empire. At the > very snap of his fingers, a 100 attendents would come running to > serve him. He could enjoy all the palatial luxuries. But on waking > up, one realises that it was all but a dream. In the waking state, > one is an ordinary citizen, and has to work hard to earn a living. > > The 'i' who was a king in the dream world is different from the 'i' > who is an ordinary citizen in the waking state. > > In essence, the dream state also has its own set of senses thro' > which it sees, hears, tastes and percieves. The 'i' in the dream > perceives the dream world as perceived thro' the 5 dream senses. > > In my next post, we'll see about the deep sleep state or sushupti, > and we'll later see, the essence and significance of dreams, the > different kinds of consciousness, and how actually they are all > reflections of the same ONE. > > References : > 1. Teachings of Ramana Maharshi > 2. Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda > 3. 'Advaita Rahasya'. > > > , s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote: > > The Three states : > > -------------------- > > > > Most of us are familiar with and encounter the three states > everyday. > > They are namely : > > 1. Waking state or Jagrat > > 2. Dream state or Swapna > > 3. Deep sleep or Sushupthi. > > > > There are higher states like Turiya, Turiya Tita, and samadhi, but > > let's have a look at the above 3 states before going into the > details > > of the other states. > > > > Waking state or Jagrat : > > -------------------------- > > > > Jagrat is the state that we are in now. As said by Ramana Maharshi, > > the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i' thought. > > (please note that I am using 'i' instead of 'I'. 'i' stands for ego > > or that which makes us think we exist, and 'I' stands for Self or > > God. Here I'm using 'i' as I'm refering to the ego. ) > > > > All other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i' thought. > Without 'i' > > there is no 'you', there is no world. In deep sleep there is > no 'i', > > hence the world ceases to exist. On waking, the 'i' thought > > reappears, and with it all the other thoughts reappear. > > > > With the help of the five senses, the 'i' or the mind perceives the > > world. The 5 senses are merely tools, and do not perform any action > > by themselves. One does not see or hear if the mind is not > associated > > with that sense organ. > > For eg. If one is really engrossed in reading a book, then one may > > not hear when someone speaks or calls out to him. This is because > his > > mind has temporarily dissociated itself with his ears. Hence, what > > sees or hears, or smells etc is the mind and the sense organs are > > merely its tools. > > > > The world appears to us as perceived thro' these senses. If we had > > yet another sense, then the world would appear different. for eg. > > There are some birds that have black and white vision. The world > > appears differntly for them. We perceive colors, and the world > > appears a lot different to us. But our vision is limited between > the > > red and violet colors of the spectrum. If we could perceive > infrared > > and ultraviolet, the world would appear a lot more different. > > > > The world, and all the matter that we see in it are therefore > mental > > creations of the mind that are formed with the help of the sense > > organs. The mind, from what it perceives, develops desires, and > > categorises the stimuli and the feedback as pleasure and pain, joy > > and sorrow etc accordingly. > > > > Since Happiness, or Bliss is the inherent nature, the mind on > having > > forgotten its true natures, searches for happiness, and miscontrues > > the ephemeral pleasures for Happiness. And so it seeks happiness in > > external objects. > > > > To summarize, the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i' > > thought, and all the other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i' > > thought. The mind is the perceiver of the world, and does so with > the > > help of the 5 sense organs. The mind sorts the data that it > receives > > from the senses, and categorises them into joy and sorrow, pleasure > > and pain etc. > > > > We'll look at the details of the dreams state and deep sleep state > > (may be tomorrow) before unravelling the mystery of Advaita. > > > > References : > > 1. Teachings of Ramana Maharshi > > 2. Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda. > > 3. Book 'Advaita Rahasya'. > > > > Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 Dear silentsoul ji You are right in saying that the 'i' of the dream state is the same as the 'i' of the waking state. But now for illustration purposes let's consider them different. In my next post we'll see the different consouisness that are present in each state. We'll later see how the 'i' of the dream state, the 'i' of the waking state and the 'I' (Self) are actually one and the same. Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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