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The Three states :

--------------------

 

Most of us are familiar with and encounter the three states everyday.

They are namely :

1. Waking state or Jagrat

2. Dream state or Swapna

3. Deep sleep or Sushupthi.

 

There are higher states like Turiya, Turiya Tita, and samadhi, but

let's have a look at the above 3 states before going into the details

of the other states.

 

Waking state or Jagrat :

--------------------------

 

Jagrat is the state that we are in now. As said by Ramana Maharshi,

the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i' thought.

(please note that I am using 'i' instead of 'I'. 'i' stands for ego

or that which makes us think we exist, and 'I' stands for Self or

God. Here I'm using 'i' as I'm refering to the ego. )

 

All other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i' thought. Without 'i'

there is no 'you', there is no world. In deep sleep there is no 'i',

hence the world ceases to exist. On waking, the 'i' thought

reappears, and with it all the other thoughts reappear.

 

With the help of the five senses, the 'i' or the mind perceives the

world. The 5 senses are merely tools, and do not perform any action

by themselves. One does not see or hear if the mind is not associated

with that sense organ.

For eg. If one is really engrossed in reading a book, then one may

not hear when someone speaks or calls out to him. This is because his

mind has temporarily dissociated itself with his ears. Hence, what

sees or hears, or smells etc is the mind and the sense organs are

merely its tools.

 

The world appears to us as perceived thro' these senses. If we had

yet another sense, then the world would appear different. for eg.

There are some birds that have black and white vision. The world

appears differntly for them. We perceive colors, and the world

appears a lot different to us. But our vision is limited between the

red and violet colors of the spectrum. If we could perceive infrared

and ultraviolet, the world would appear a lot more different.

 

The world, and all the matter that we see in it are therefore mental

creations of the mind that are formed with the help of the sense

organs. The mind, from what it perceives, develops desires, and

categorises the stimuli and the feedback as pleasure and pain, joy

and sorrow etc accordingly.

 

Since Happiness, or Bliss is the inherent nature, the mind on having

forgotten its true natures, searches for happiness, and miscontrues

the ephemeral pleasures for Happiness. And so it seeks happiness in

external objects.

 

To summarize, the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i'

thought, and all the other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i'

thought. The mind is the perceiver of the world, and does so with the

help of the 5 sense organs. The mind sorts the data that it receives

from the senses, and categorises them into joy and sorrow, pleasure

and pain etc.

 

We'll look at the details of the dreams state and deep sleep state

(may be tomorrow) before unravelling the mystery of Advaita.

 

References :

1. Teachings of Ramana Maharshi

2. Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda.

3. Book 'Advaita Rahasya'.

 

Hari Aum !!!

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Namaste All,

 

Sorry for the delay in posting. However I could not post earlier due

to unavoidable reasons.

 

In this post I'll be talking about the second state of consciousness

which is dream state or swapna. (For info on the first state which is

jagrat or waking state, please see the attached original message at

the bottom of this message)

 

Dream state or swapna :

--------------------------

 

Like in the jagrat or the waking state, in the dream state too, we

have a different set of 5 senses. We have dream senses of vision,

hearing, taste, smell and touch. Why I am saying a different set of

senses in the dream state is because, the senses that we have in

jagrat cannot be used to perceive in the dream world and vice versa.

 

For eg. Let's assume we have a lot of yummies in our room that we

sleep. In our dream, we dream that we are very hungry. We are in a

desperate need for food. We wander hither and thither for food. Can

those yummies of the waking world, satisfy the hunger of the dream

world ?

The answer is 'NO'.

The hunger of the dream world can be satisfied by dream food ONLY.

 

Similarly, we cannot see, hear, taste or perceive the dream world,

with the senses of the waking world, and vice versa.

 

Just as how the senses of the dream world are different from the

senses of the waking world, the 'i' of the dream world is also

different from the 'i' of the waking world. Le't see how.

eg. In the dream world, one could be the king of an empire. At the

very snap of his fingers, a 100 attendents would come running to

serve him. He could enjoy all the palatial luxuries. But on waking

up, one realises that it was all but a dream. In the waking state,

one is an ordinary citizen, and has to work hard to earn a living.

 

The 'i' who was a king in the dream world is different from the 'i'

who is an ordinary citizen in the waking state.

 

In essence, the dream state also has its own set of senses thro'

which it sees, hears, tastes and percieves. The 'i' in the dream

perceives the dream world as perceived thro' the 5 dream senses.

 

In my next post, we'll see about the deep sleep state or sushupti,

and we'll later see, the essence and significance of dreams, the

different kinds of consciousness, and how actually they are all

reflections of the same ONE.

 

References :

1. Teachings of Ramana Maharshi

2. Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda

3. 'Advaita Rahasya'.

 

 

, s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote:

> The Three states :

> --------------------

>

> Most of us are familiar with and encounter the three states

everyday.

> They are namely :

> 1. Waking state or Jagrat

> 2. Dream state or Swapna

> 3. Deep sleep or Sushupthi.

>

> There are higher states like Turiya, Turiya Tita, and samadhi, but

> let's have a look at the above 3 states before going into the

details

> of the other states.

>

> Waking state or Jagrat :

> --------------------------

>

> Jagrat is the state that we are in now. As said by Ramana Maharshi,

> the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i' thought.

> (please note that I am using 'i' instead of 'I'. 'i' stands for ego

> or that which makes us think we exist, and 'I' stands for Self or

> God. Here I'm using 'i' as I'm refering to the ego. )

>

> All other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i' thought.

Without 'i'

> there is no 'you', there is no world. In deep sleep there is

no 'i',

> hence the world ceases to exist. On waking, the 'i' thought

> reappears, and with it all the other thoughts reappear.

>

> With the help of the five senses, the 'i' or the mind perceives the

> world. The 5 senses are merely tools, and do not perform any action

> by themselves. One does not see or hear if the mind is not

associated

> with that sense organ.

> For eg. If one is really engrossed in reading a book, then one may

> not hear when someone speaks or calls out to him. This is because

his

> mind has temporarily dissociated itself with his ears. Hence, what

> sees or hears, or smells etc is the mind and the sense organs are

> merely its tools.

>

> The world appears to us as perceived thro' these senses. If we had

> yet another sense, then the world would appear different. for eg.

> There are some birds that have black and white vision. The world

> appears differntly for them. We perceive colors, and the world

> appears a lot different to us. But our vision is limited between

the

> red and violet colors of the spectrum. If we could perceive

infrared

> and ultraviolet, the world would appear a lot more different.

>

> The world, and all the matter that we see in it are therefore

mental

> creations of the mind that are formed with the help of the sense

> organs. The mind, from what it perceives, develops desires, and

> categorises the stimuli and the feedback as pleasure and pain, joy

> and sorrow etc accordingly.

>

> Since Happiness, or Bliss is the inherent nature, the mind on

having

> forgotten its true natures, searches for happiness, and miscontrues

> the ephemeral pleasures for Happiness. And so it seeks happiness in

> external objects.

>

> To summarize, the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i'

> thought, and all the other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i'

> thought. The mind is the perceiver of the world, and does so with

the

> help of the 5 sense organs. The mind sorts the data that it

receives

> from the senses, and categorises them into joy and sorrow, pleasure

> and pain etc.

>

> We'll look at the details of the dreams state and deep sleep state

> (may be tomorrow) before unravelling the mystery of Advaita.

>

> References :

> 1. Teachings of Ramana Maharshi

> 2. Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda.

> 3. Book 'Advaita Rahasya'.

>

> Hari Aum !!!

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tks SVCS for beautiful description of 3 states. You have

written "Just as how the senses of the dream world are different from

the senses of the waking world, the 'i' of the dream world is also

different from the 'i' of the waking world"

 

I have a question here ( cant help i hv many questions and no

answers smiles.:) ).

 

If "I" of the dream state is different than "I" of the waking state

then...how come that the "I" of waking state remembers himself as

King in dream...he does not see any other fellow as king...hence "I"

in both cases is same...only the circumstances or the level of

consciousness changed !!

 

Can we have a re-thinking ? What do you think changes during

waking state, dream state, deep sleep and Samadhi " Is it "I" which

changes...but then it should not remember those happenings to him, if

it is not "I" then who is changed...

 

 

Hari Aum

, s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote:

> Namaste All,

>

> Sorry for the delay in posting. However I could not post earlier

due

> to unavoidable reasons.

>

> In this post I'll be talking about the second state of

consciousness

> which is dream state or swapna. (For info on the first state which

is

> jagrat or waking state, please see the attached original message at

> the bottom of this message)

>

> Dream state or swapna :

> --------------------------

>

> Like in the jagrat or the waking state, in the dream state too, we

> have a different set of 5 senses. We have dream senses of vision,

> hearing, taste, smell and touch. Why I am saying a different set of

> senses in the dream state is because, the senses that we have in

> jagrat cannot be used to perceive in the dream world and vice

versa.

>

> For eg. Let's assume we have a lot of yummies in our room that we

> sleep. In our dream, we dream that we are very hungry. We are in a

> desperate need for food. We wander hither and thither for food. Can

> those yummies of the waking world, satisfy the hunger of the dream

> world ?

> The answer is 'NO'.

> The hunger of the dream world can be satisfied by dream food ONLY.

>

> Similarly, we cannot see, hear, taste or perceive the dream world,

> with the senses of the waking world, and vice versa.

>

> Just as how the senses of the dream world are different from the

> senses of the waking world, the 'i' of the dream world is also

> different from the 'i' of the waking world. Le't see how.

> eg. In the dream world, one could be the king of an empire. At the

> very snap of his fingers, a 100 attendents would come running to

> serve him. He could enjoy all the palatial luxuries. But on waking

> up, one realises that it was all but a dream. In the waking state,

> one is an ordinary citizen, and has to work hard to earn a living.

>

> The 'i' who was a king in the dream world is different from the 'i'

> who is an ordinary citizen in the waking state.

>

> In essence, the dream state also has its own set of senses thro'

> which it sees, hears, tastes and percieves. The 'i' in the dream

> perceives the dream world as perceived thro' the 5 dream senses.

>

> In my next post, we'll see about the deep sleep state or sushupti,

> and we'll later see, the essence and significance of dreams, the

> different kinds of consciousness, and how actually they are all

> reflections of the same ONE.

>

> References :

> 1. Teachings of Ramana Maharshi

> 2. Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda

> 3. 'Advaita Rahasya'.

>

>

> , s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote:

> > The Three states :

> > --------------------

> >

> > Most of us are familiar with and encounter the three states

> everyday.

> > They are namely :

> > 1. Waking state or Jagrat

> > 2. Dream state or Swapna

> > 3. Deep sleep or Sushupthi.

> >

> > There are higher states like Turiya, Turiya Tita, and samadhi,

but

> > let's have a look at the above 3 states before going into the

> details

> > of the other states.

> >

> > Waking state or Jagrat :

> > --------------------------

> >

> > Jagrat is the state that we are in now. As said by Ramana

Maharshi,

> > the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i' thought.

> > (please note that I am using 'i' instead of 'I'. 'i' stands for

ego

> > or that which makes us think we exist, and 'I' stands for Self

or

> > God. Here I'm using 'i' as I'm refering to the ego. )

> >

> > All other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i' thought.

> Without 'i'

> > there is no 'you', there is no world. In deep sleep there is

> no 'i',

> > hence the world ceases to exist. On waking, the 'i' thought

> > reappears, and with it all the other thoughts reappear.

> >

> > With the help of the five senses, the 'i' or the mind perceives

the

> > world. The 5 senses are merely tools, and do not perform any

action

> > by themselves. One does not see or hear if the mind is not

> associated

> > with that sense organ.

> > For eg. If one is really engrossed in reading a book, then one

may

> > not hear when someone speaks or calls out to him. This is because

> his

> > mind has temporarily dissociated itself with his ears. Hence,

what

> > sees or hears, or smells etc is the mind and the sense organs are

> > merely its tools.

> >

> > The world appears to us as perceived thro' these senses. If we

had

> > yet another sense, then the world would appear different. for

eg.

> > There are some birds that have black and white vision. The world

> > appears differntly for them. We perceive colors, and the world

> > appears a lot different to us. But our vision is limited between

> the

> > red and violet colors of the spectrum. If we could perceive

> infrared

> > and ultraviolet, the world would appear a lot more different.

> >

> > The world, and all the matter that we see in it are therefore

> mental

> > creations of the mind that are formed with the help of the sense

> > organs. The mind, from what it perceives, develops desires, and

> > categorises the stimuli and the feedback as pleasure and pain,

joy

> > and sorrow etc accordingly.

> >

> > Since Happiness, or Bliss is the inherent nature, the mind on

> having

> > forgotten its true natures, searches for happiness, and

miscontrues

> > the ephemeral pleasures for Happiness. And so it seeks happiness

in

> > external objects.

> >

> > To summarize, the first thought that arises on waking is the 'i'

> > thought, and all the other thoughts are secondary only to the 'i'

> > thought. The mind is the perceiver of the world, and does so with

> the

> > help of the 5 sense organs. The mind sorts the data that it

> receives

> > from the senses, and categorises them into joy and sorrow,

pleasure

> > and pain etc.

> >

> > We'll look at the details of the dreams state and deep sleep

state

> > (may be tomorrow) before unravelling the mystery of Advaita.

> >

> > References :

> > 1. Teachings of Ramana Maharshi

> > 2. Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda.

> > 3. Book 'Advaita Rahasya'.

> >

> > Hari Aum !!!

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Dear silentsoul ji

 

You are right in saying that the 'i' of the dream state is the same

as the 'i' of the waking state. But now for illustration purposes

let's consider them different. In my next post we'll see the

different consouisness that are present in each state. We'll later

see how the 'i' of the dream state, the 'i' of the waking state and

the 'I' (Self) are actually one and the same.

 

Hari Aum !!!

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