Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ********************************************************************** ********** Thanks friends for continued posts on Aum Sadhna and tks ompremjee for the clarification. but i here have a different opinion than what Param rahasya has written. Though intiation by a guru is good thing in all types of sadhna but it is not mandatory always. Till we find the right guru to give us further direction, we can not keep waiting and live without sadhna. In my opinion, guru is a must for initiation of Beeja Mantras and all mantras of Tantra. All sadgun mantras, deity mantras and common matnras including AUM if used as sagun mantra, can be chanted without any initiation/guru. As I and omprem earlier agreed that gurus do not just become available to every one, Gurus too look at the prospects of a student, his mental abilities, past karma etc and then accept him as disciple....and till then we can safely chose any sagun mantra and continue our sadhna. Swami Vishnu devananada has also confirmed this in his book "Meditation and Mantras" that if there is no guru, we can take initiation of mantra from our "Ishta Devta" and continue. From my experiences of AUM sadhna i can very well say that AUM even if we start chanting it as Sagun mantra...it works on the level of beeja and nirguna mantra simultaneously mostly without our conscious approval...that is why AUM is said to be so powerful. Those who do not find any guru or have difficulties in initiations, may straightaway start chanting of AUM..taking it as the name GOD in any form they like. It will start working on the sub- conscious levels from day one. But one has to be ready for purgatory effects which may come as emotional turmoils...strange diseases...money loses. But if we continue with the sadhna of AUM we will slowly come to know that some hidden force is taking over our decisions and deciding the results. and with further progress we will find that this Force was actually controlling all our life from the beginning....it just that we were not aware. Then we can re-cast all our theories and dogmas afresh. Then we will be able to see clearly that our pains our sorrows were in fact part of great plan to bring us to this path...our sufferings will be seen as necessary tools to shape our future. We will even see that our so called Falls were not falls but a necessary turning in our life decided by that force. We will soon realise that those who are coming to our lives and those who are leaving us, are in fact controlled by that Great Force...to shape our new thought patterns. Those who are helpful to encourage that pattern will be brought near us...and those who are hinderance will be removed....even if they are one of our nearests and dearests. This may bring pains and tears in the present set up of mind...but we will be able to sense that this is a small act of a big drama. And the day we start feeling like this...the day we start seeing this Drama of that Great Force...our life will change drastically....our thought patterns will change....our sleep hours will change...our food habits will change...our emotions will change. During this transition period..some old memories...some old bad habits will come up...one may feel surprised over this development..but these bad habits/bad memories are brought up the surface for Re-analysis by our changed self. We will either understand their need at that part of our life...or we will know the futility of our strong emotions for them....in both the case they will lose their value...which they had been keeping in our sub- conscious. A new dawn will wait for us soon....a changed life with Divine love and divine blessings... till then Hari AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Holi Greetings! yes, you are absolutely right when you say that we cannot eternally wait for a 'guru' to appear before beginning any sadhana. True, very true! Till the Lord appears in a guru form, meditate on shri dakshinamurthy as the guru and one fine day when the sisya is ready, the gurudeva will appear! Tantriks always refer to their Guru as Gurudeva because God is guru and guru is god!! I need to issue a clarification, if you would kindly permit me. As you have rightly stated, one can meditate on 'OM' as saguna mantra without formal initiation or without a Guru which everydone does !!! these saguna mantras include and are not limited to ----- 1)Om namaha shivaye 2)Hari OM 3) Om DURGAYAYE NAMAHA 4) Om namo bhagvate vasudvaya!!! i was just responding to your earlier comment wherein you had stated that a higher soul had warned you agaisnt 'om sadhana' without the guidance of a guru! It is said the sound 'om' is para brahman itself and when you meditate on 'Om' as NIRGUNA MANTRA , you are meditating on Brahman itself and this hastens the process of 'kundalini' awakebning and i was merly suggesting that you do not want to awaken your kundalini without the expert guidance of a guru!!! that's all!! i am sure omprenm will confirm this ! he has himself said so many times!! also, 'Om' SADHANA does make you lose interest in worldly affairs and hastens the process of renunciation faster ! i am talking about 'nirguna' upasan of 'om' - now, we do not want our young sons/daughters to give up their academic studies and gon on 'mukti' marga early in their young life? also, what about householders or people in grihastashrama we do no want them to abandon their families and become an asceitic! to such people, saguna upasan is recommended!!! Yes, omprem's posts on this subject is very fascinating and made intersting readhing as all his post are. Omprem, i have a small question for you. Do purificatory rites necessary before beginning 'om' sadhana Or the 'PURIFICATION' PROCESS ITSELF A BY PRODUCT of such a sadHANA. I have read that swami shivananda himself says - first read the basic texts like ( bhagvat gita etc) before undertaking the study of brahma sutras and upanishads! one can become a brahmajnani only afte becoming an atma jnani!! love to one and all!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Om Silentsoul Again, I agree entirely with your viewpoints here. Om namah Sivaya Omprem , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ********************************************************************** > ********** > Thanks friends for continued posts on Aum Sadhna and tks ompremjee > for the clarification. > > but i here have a different opinion than what Param rahasya has > written. Though intiation by a guru is good thing in all types of > sadhna but it is not mandatory always. Till we find the right guru > to give us further direction, we can not keep waiting and live > without sadhna. > > In my opinion, guru is a must for initiation of Beeja Mantras and > all mantras of Tantra. All sadgun mantras, deity mantras and common > matnras including AUM if used as sagun mantra, can be chanted without > any initiation/guru. > > As I and omprem earlier agreed that gurus do not just become > available to every one, Gurus too look at the prospects of a student, > his mental abilities, past karma etc and then accept him as > disciple....and till then we can safely chose any sagun mantra and > continue our sadhna. > > Swami Vishnu devananada has also confirmed this in his > book "Meditation and Mantras" that if there is no guru, we can take > initiation of mantra from our "Ishta Devta" and continue. > > From my experiences of AUM sadhna i can very well say that AUM > even if we start chanting it as Sagun mantra...it works on the level > of beeja and nirguna mantra simultaneously mostly without our > conscious approval...that is why AUM is said to be so powerful. > > Those who do not find any guru or have difficulties in > initiations, may straightaway start chanting of AUM..taking it as the > name GOD in any form they like. It will start working on the sub- > conscious levels from day one. > > But one has to be ready for purgatory effects which may come as > emotional turmoils...strange diseases...money loses. But if we > continue with the sadhna of AUM we will slowly come to know that some > hidden force is taking over our decisions and deciding the results. > and with further progress we will find that this Force was actually > controlling all our life from the beginning....it just that we were > not aware. > > Then we can re-cast all our theories and dogmas afresh. Then we > will be able to see clearly that our pains our sorrows were in fact > part of great plan to bring us to this path...our sufferings will be > seen as necessary tools to shape our future. > > We will even see that our so called Falls were not falls but a > necessary turning in our life decided by that force. We will soon > realise that those who are coming to our lives and those who are > leaving us, are in fact controlled by that Great Force...to shape our > new thought patterns. Those who are helpful to encourage that > pattern will be brought near us...and those who are hinderance will > be removed....even if they are one of our nearests and dearests. > This may bring pains and tears in the present set up of mind...but > we will be able to sense that this is a small act of a big drama. > > And the day we start feeling like this...the day we start seeing > this Drama of that Great Force...our life will change > drastically....our thought patterns will change....our sleep hours > will change...our food habits will change...our emotions will change. > > During this transition period..some old memories...some old bad > habits will come up...one may feel surprised over this > development..but these bad habits/bad memories are brought up the > surface for Re-analysis by our changed self. We will either > understand their need at that part of our life...or we will know the > futility of our strong emotions for them....in both the case they > will lose their value...which they had been keeping in our sub- > conscious. > > A new dawn will wait for us soon....a changed life with Divine > love and divine blessings... > > till then > > Hari AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Om Parama_rahasya You asked, "Omprem, i have a small question for you. Do purificatory rites necessary before beginning 'om' sadhana Or the 'PURIFICATION' PROCESS ITSELF A BY PRODUCT of such a sadHANA." Of course, this is not so small a question. It is others who introduced the idea of 'purification rites' into AUM Sadhana. I spoke of the need to purify oneself, in the sense of making the three bodies fit vehicles for the passage of prana and Kundalini and fit vehicles for presentation to God. This purification consists of our daily moment-by-moment sadhana: Hatha Yoga to reintegrate the three bodies; Pranayama to develop, move and store prana; appropriate diet so that the body is not stressed and ahimsa is maintained; appropriate mental attitude of detachment and discernment; and, meditation/concentration practices. Included in these latter, would formal purification rites. In short, purification goes on 24-hours/day, every day and starts with paying constant attention to one's every thought, word, and deed. Patanjali's Yamas and Niyamas are an excellent start in purification. You are correct to point out that meditation, in this case, AUM Sadhana, is also a purification practice. But it is not enough by itself. To spend 20 minutes a day meditating on AUM will not prevent most of the other 23 hours and 40 minutes being spent enmeshed in the trials and pleasures of Maya. Conversely, to spend one's time during the daily routines of life focussing on the purification practices outlined above without meditation will not take one to Self-Realization either. So, we need to do both - moment-by-moment attention our sadhana in our daily routines plus a formal meditation practice. We need to take our sadhana and purification out of the realm of ritual and habit and personalize it, make it an essential, vital part of our being. The more we do this, the more we are able to do in terms of Self-Realization. Om namah Sivaya Omprem , parama_rahasya <no_reply> wrote: > Holi Greetings! > > yes, you are absolutely right when you say that we cannot eternally > wait for a 'guru' to appear before beginning any sadhana. True, very > true! Till the Lord appears in a guru form, meditate on shri > dakshinamurthy as the guru and one fine day when the sisya is ready, > the gurudeva will appear! Tantriks always refer to their Guru as > Gurudeva because God is guru and guru is god!! > > I need to issue a clarification, if you would kindly permit me. As > you have rightly stated, one can meditate on 'OM' as saguna mantra > without formal initiation or without a Guru which everydone does !!! > these saguna mantras include and are not limited to ----- > > 1)Om namaha shivaye > > 2)Hari OM > > 3) Om DURGAYAYE NAMAHA > > 4) Om namo bhagvate vasudvaya!!! > > i was just responding to your earlier comment wherein you had stated > that a higher soul had warned you agaisnt 'om sadhana' without the > guidance of a guru! > > It is said the sound 'om' is para brahman itself and when you > meditate on 'Om' as NIRGUNA MANTRA , you are meditating on Brahman > itself and this hastens the process of 'kundalini' awakebning and i > was merly suggesting that you do not want to awaken your kundalini > without the expert guidance of a guru!!! that's all!! i am sure > omprenm will confirm this ! he has himself said so many times!! > > also, 'Om' SADHANA does make you lose interest in worldly affairs and > hastens the process of renunciation faster ! i am talking > about 'nirguna' upasan of 'om' - now, we do not want our young > sons/daughters to give up their academic studies and gon on 'mukti' > marga early in their young life? also, what about householders or > people in grihastashrama we do no want them to abandon their families > and become an asceitic! to such people, saguna upasan is > recommended!!! > > Yes, omprem's posts on this subject is very fascinating and made > intersting readhing as all his post are. > > Omprem, i have a small question for you. Do purificatory rites > necessary before beginning 'om' sadhana Or the 'PURIFICATION' PROCESS > ITSELF A BY PRODUCT of such a sadHANA. > > I have read that swami shivananda himself says - first read the basic > texts like ( bhagvat gita etc) before undertaking the study of brahma > sutras and upanishads! one can become a brahmajnani only afte > becoming an atma jnani!! > > love to one and all!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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