Bribing God

[Guest guest]

The other day during our chat there was a reference to truth and the

fact that, very often truth not being palatable. Here I am posing a

question for all members. My family and friends know about this

particular view of mine and shun any discussion.

 

So here it goes.

 

When people have problems they pray to god and also perform rituals,

pooja etc for propitiating God so that the problem could be solved.

This is a common and laid down practice as per the scriptures.

 

The other method is that they take a vow that they will perform some

action or offer some money if the wish is granted or the problem

solved. The action offered (like shaving off one's head etc) or the

amount depends on the benefit gained or the nature of the problem.

Like some one says he will offer 108 coconuts or Rs. 1000 to god if

he gets a promotion in his job. This is a very common practice.

 

My question is, in what way is this different from offering money to

a person in an organization for getting something done? When you

offer money to a person for showing you a favour you call it a bribe.

A person who takes a bribe does a person a favour, which he does not

do to others who do not bribe him. By offering money to God we ask

him to do us a favour over others. Bribe is given on the condition

that the job gets done. The offer to God is also fulfilled only when

the job is done not otherwise.

 

Many a time even the vow is never fulfilled because after all God

cannot come and remind anyone of his vow. Only when the person is

faced with another problem or wants another favour, does he remember

his earlier vow. I remember one instance when a person had offered

1008 sweetmeats to god for fulfillment of a wish. The wish was

fulfilled, but the person never completed his vow. After about 10

years he remembered the vow. The cost of the sweet meat had gone up

during this period. So while it would have taken Rs.1000 then it

would cost Rs.5000 now. The person was arguing that more than the

number of sweetmeats it is the amount that matters and the vow will

be fulfilled if he offers Rs.1000 worth sweet meats now.

 

It boils down to bargaining with God. The pity is that this attitude

of offering something to God in return for a favour is cultivated

from childhood. So when the child grows up he does not think it is

wrong to offer an amount to another person for getting a favour. This

encourages corruption.

 

You may say that this is stretching this too far. I do not know. In

India people of all religions do this. I believe that this practice

should stop. We can pray, beseech God for favours or solutions to our

problems. Once the problem is solved we can thank God by offering

anything. But no conditional offer or vow. That will be tantamount to

bribing God.

 

I request the members to respond.

 

Sankar

 

P.S. is behaving funny again. Posting second time

[Guest guest]

Thank you sankarukku for bringing up this wonderful topic.

We'll first see what bribe is.

What is bribe?

 

Some instances are :

 

- If you want a promotion in your job, you give some money to a

higher official, to recommend you for the promotion.

-If you want to expedite the official procedures, you bribe the

officers, to get your papers moving fast.

- If you want to finalise some business deals, you throw smaller fish

to catch the bigger fish.

- Children are also bribed . for eg. If a child needs to behave

himself/ herself at the dentist, then you bribe the child with a

chocolate.

etc. etc. etc.

 

Would anyone do me a favour if I offered to give 10 sacs of ordinary

pebbles?

 

>From the above illustrations, we infer that we call something a bribe

ONLY when we give something that is NEEDED (like money or some other

material benefits) by the other person, to get him / her going for

the procurement of our desires / requirements.

 

Thus anything given to a person that is NOT NEEDED by the other is

NOT a bribe.

 

With this in mind let's have a look at another illustration.

There was a hot selling card game in the market for children, and it

was called TopTrumps. Every kid wanted to own a set of Top Trumps,

and so did Tom. He asked his mom to buy it for him, but she just

dismissed the idea. The next day in school, many kids came with their

Top Trumps, each owning a set that belongs to different genres, and

they showed off to the kids who didn't have. This made Tom very sad,

and he was really determined to own a set. He didn't know how to

convince his mom that,that game was really worth it. As he sat down

to drink his cocoa, he was thinking hard, on how to get his mom to

agree to buy it for him. Just as he finished his cocoa drink, he

suddenly hit upon a plan. He ran to his mom and said, "Mom, will you

please buy that Top Trumps for me today. If you want I'll make the

dinner for us tonight." On hearing this, she smiled, and carried and

cuddled him.

 

She fondled her son lovingly and said, " Okay dear, I'll take you out

today, and you can buy whichever set of Top Trumps you want. Are you

happy now?" Tom's joy knew no bounds, and he rewarded her with a kiss

on her cheek. That bread and butter sandwich was NOT what she wanted

for dinner, but her son's determination, melted her heart, and she

had not the heart to say, 'no'. She obliged, even if that means that

she'll have to do a lot of cleaning after dinner.

 

In the above story, would you call that dinner a bribe? The fact that

he offered to make a dinner, shows how important that Top Trumps is

to him. That dinner was not exactly what she wanted, and all that

consequent cleaning was definitely a thing she would love to avoid.

Hence, that dinner that he offered was not a bribe.

 

(I forgot who said the following, It must be either Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa, or Kanchi Paramacharyar of Sharada Peeth):

When we go to the temple, and ask God to do things for us, he

welcomes it, 'cos at least in those few moments, we think of Him.!

Offering Rs 1000 or 108 coconuts, or 101 sweetmeats serves NO purpose

to Him, and hence is NOT a bribe. He is the Creator of the Universe,

and He also has the capacity to create those 108 coconuts, or that Rs

1001. He does NOT depend on our offering to exist. But he obliges,

when we ask, only because he loves us, and is pleased that we

remember Him at least when we need something.

 

This cannot be called wrong, as with time, it will slowly develop

into a more personal relationship with God. In the beginning, we

approach God only for materialistic benefits. Later as we progress

spiritually, we approach for both material benefits, as well as for

the sake of love. Slowly the ratio of material benefits to love

changes towards the love direction, until a time comes when we

approach Him only for the sake of love (like Radha, mirabai). Of

course this is not a one life-time process, and will take few or many

life-times

 

Another thing to remember is, when an action is performed to another

person, it may have bad or good effects, but when done to God, the

action gets purified, and is for our good only. For eg. Garbage when

thrown elsewhere, renders the place dirty. But when it's thrown into

fire, it gets cleansed. God too is like that fire, and whatever

actions performed unto Him get purified.

 

What is important is if we have the 'God' thought in us or not. So

whatever we do, let's offer that unto God, and purify ourselves.

 

Hari Aum !!!

[Guest guest]

tks svcs for a good reply. The question of bribing god is raised by

many and it has many answers and all are right as per their

perspectives.

 

I remember while i was in my primary school when the schools were

not like todays schools. We were beanten by teachers for our

mistakes and we dare not complain our parents against teachers, as it

will bring more beatings from parents too. So if one has forgotten

the home work, or has done a mischief, or has come to school with

uncut nails etc, was ready to get the beating....no escape from the

cane of the teachers who looked like Asura then (smiles).

 

so one senior boy became our guru and gave a special Tantra to

his junior friends who were nice to offer him some of their

lunch/sweets. He told us that we should take a small pebble and

after spitting on another bigger pebble, balance the bigger one the

smaller one and say ," O God of schools pls save me from cane of

teacher today". You will be surprised to know this had 80% success

rate. I myself applied this tantra many times and found, either the

teacher will not come that day, or there will be bell before my turn

to get canned came, or there will be rain...or something. We had to

be careful that if the pebble falls down on its own, beating will be

more....and this too happened most of the times.

 

The incident of bribing god, can be taken by this perspective. It

is certain that god is not in need of any offering from us. We are

always on the begging side. The offering made to god, is infact like

keeping pebble over pebble by small child, creating a positive

Sankalpa to evade certain situation and it is our own samkalpa which

works, not GOD.

 

The other perspective may be that by offering to feed some poor

people or some donations, we in fact remove some of our bad karma and

thus pave way for the good results to appear soon.

 

Moreover, all over world people are getting their work done,

without offering any thing to any god...hence it may also be taken as

a social custom prevailing in India or some other coutries.

 

Views can be many....the question is which one convinces whom.

 

Hari Aum

 

 

 

 

, s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote:

> Thank you sankarukku for bringing up this wonderful topic.

> We'll first see what bribe is.

> What is bribe?

>

> Some instances are :

>

> - If you want a promotion in your job, you give some money to a

> higher official, to recommend you for the promotion.

> -If you want to expedite the official procedures, you bribe the

> officers, to get your papers moving fast.

> - If you want to finalise some business deals, you throw smaller

fish

> to catch the bigger fish.

> - Children are also bribed . for eg. If a child needs to behave

> himself/ herself at the dentist, then you bribe the child with a

> chocolate.

> etc. etc. etc.

>

> Would anyone do me a favour if I offered to give 10 sacs of

ordinary

> pebbles?

>

> From the above illustrations, we infer that we call something a

bribe

> ONLY when we give something that is NEEDED (like money or some

other

> material benefits) by the other person, to get him / her going for

> the procurement of our desires / requirements.

>

> Thus anything given to a person that is NOT NEEDED by the other is

> NOT a bribe.

>

> With this in mind let's have a look at another illustration.

> There was a hot selling card game in the market for children, and

it

> was called TopTrumps. Every kid wanted to own a set of Top Trumps,

> and so did Tom. He asked his mom to buy it for him, but she just

> dismissed the idea. The next day in school, many kids came with

their

> Top Trumps, each owning a set that belongs to different genres, and

> they showed off to the kids who didn't have. This made Tom very

sad,

> and he was really determined to own a set. He didn't know how to

> convince his mom that,that game was really worth it. As he sat down

> to drink his cocoa, he was thinking hard, on how to get his mom to

> agree to buy it for him. Just as he finished his cocoa drink, he

> suddenly hit upon a plan. He ran to his mom and said, "Mom, will

you

> please buy that Top Trumps for me today. If you want I'll make the

> dinner for us tonight." On hearing this, she smiled, and carried

and

> cuddled him.

>

> She fondled her son lovingly and said, " Okay dear, I'll take you

out

> today, and you can buy whichever set of Top Trumps you want. Are

you

> happy now?" Tom's joy knew no bounds, and he rewarded her with a

kiss

> on her cheek. That bread and butter sandwich was NOT what she

wanted

> for dinner, but her son's determination, melted her heart, and she

> had not the heart to say, 'no'. She obliged, even if that means

that

> she'll have to do a lot of cleaning after dinner.

>

> In the above story, would you call that dinner a bribe? The fact

that

> he offered to make a dinner, shows how important that Top Trumps is

> to him. That dinner was not exactly what she wanted, and all that

> consequent cleaning was definitely a thing she would love to

avoid.

> Hence, that dinner that he offered was not a bribe.

>

> (I forgot who said the following, It must be either Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa, or Kanchi Paramacharyar of Sharada Peeth):

> When we go to the temple, and ask God to do things for us, he

> welcomes it, 'cos at least in those few moments, we think of Him.!

> Offering Rs 1000 or 108 coconuts, or 101 sweetmeats serves NO

purpose

> to Him, and hence is NOT a bribe. He is the Creator of the

Universe,

> and He also has the capacity to create those 108 coconuts, or that

Rs

> 1001. He does NOT depend on our offering to exist. But he obliges,

> when we ask, only because he loves us, and is pleased that we

> remember Him at least when we need something.

>

> This cannot be called wrong, as with time, it will slowly develop

> into a more personal relationship with God. In the beginning, we

> approach God only for materialistic benefits. Later as we progress

> spiritually, we approach for both material benefits, as well as for

> the sake of love. Slowly the ratio of material benefits to love

> changes towards the love direction, until a time comes when we

> approach Him only for the sake of love (like Radha, mirabai). Of

> course this is not a one life-time process, and will take few or

many

> life-times

>

> Another thing to remember is, when an action is performed to

another

> person, it may have bad or good effects, but when done to God, the

> action gets purified, and is for our good only. For eg. Garbage

when

> thrown elsewhere, renders the place dirty. But when it's thrown

into

> fire, it gets cleansed. God too is like that fire, and whatever

> actions performed unto Him get purified.

>

> What is important is if we have the 'God' thought in us or not. So

> whatever we do, let's offer that unto God, and purify ourselves.

>

> Hari Aum !!!

[Guest guest]

There is a saying I have heard many times amongst my Catholic

friends. "There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday

morning." This means, there's a thin line between the way we act when

we are in God's house (on Sunday mornings, in the case of Catholics)

and when we are out partying with our friends on Saturday night. If

one was acting, on Saturday night, as if it were Sunday morning,

would drink after drink be passing the lips? I think it is important

to remember that we are always in God's house, and God is everywhere,

not just when we are asking for something or are on our best

behaviour.

 

In response to svcs' post, sometimes we ask for things we do not need

or are ready for. For example, if a child asks for many chocolates,

being the elder (and presumably wiser) of the pair, I would be

inclined to limit the child's chocolate intake to one or two pieces.

Does this mean I do not love the child? No. It means I love the child

so much that I do not want him/her to have a stomach ache from

consuming so much of chocolate. If I asked for an algebra book when I

was only in grade three, would it do me much good? Similarly, I

believe that God knows what is good for us even when we *think* we

know what would be best. Looking back on my life, I certainly think

this is true. When we surrender, we will see that God is providing

for us as we need.

 

Yes, it is an ideal that most of us only strive to attain when we are

discussing complete surrender unto God. I think, like everything,

surrender takes practice. I did not jump into a swimming pool the for

first time and feel comfortable swimming under water. I dipped a toe,

then a foot, then my legs, and so on. Now I have no problem jumping

into the deep end, right from the edge of the pool. Thus with the

Divine pool of love. Someday I hope to surrender enough and be

faithful enough that I can jump right in and stay there, but for now,

I am practicing.

 

With love,

Erica

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Regarding praying for favours, Shri Sai Baba has said

" I give them what they want so that one day they start asking what I

want to give to them."

 

Regards,

Shubhanan

[Guest guest]

I am happy that my message drew a good response from the members.

Thank you svcs for the good story about the mother.

 

The question is are we trying to please God. Is he pleased with this

kind of offering? Very often I was asked a question by many of my

colleagues. Is this kind of offering better than regular prayers? The

people who succeed with this kind of offering continue to indulge in

this practice, and are often contemptuous of the people who pray

regularly. People do pray regularly to God for material benefits.

Whenever we visit a temple someone asks us whether it is in

fulfillment of a vow. When we reply that it is not you should see the

look on their face.

 

Again how does this fit in with the transfer of merit (karma) theory?

We ask for the fruits of our action even before the action. I agree

with silentsoul that this can be viewed from different perspectives.

Thank you for the story, which reminds me of the crazy things we

believed in when we were in school. However this practice does not

seem to fit in with the philosophy of Hinduism and does not seem to

have any scriptural sanction. This has also led to businessmen making

God a silent partner who shares in all the profits as well as the bad

deeds committed. In Tamil Nadu we have a God known as 75% God. It is

believed that you offer 25% in advance and the God will return 100%.

 

Erica's message brings out the point about knowing what is good for

us. What may be good in the short term may not be good in the long

run. When we progress in our religious practice we reach a stage

where you pray without Sankalpa (expectations). All that you want is

God's blessings. But since most of us are still part of the world,

results like humiliation, insults, loss etc. does hurt us.

 

If we teach our children about such practices (by word and example)

they will also believe that it is necessary only to make a vow to God

when you are in trouble or want something done. I remember my son

remarking once that some of his friends ring the bell in the school

temple only on the day the results are announced. In Malayalam

ringing a bell (maniyatikkal) means trying to please others.

 

My basic question is this.

 

Though it is said

" Dhukmay sumiran sub kare , sukh mein kare na koi

............"

But in actual life, people who remember God constantly seem to suffer

more than the people who remember God only when they are in trouble.

We are yet to find an answer to the age old question " Why do bad

things always happen to Good people?"

 

Sankar

[Guest guest]

Respected Sankaruku ji,

 

as i wrote in one of my earlier posts, those who are on the path

of sadhna (be it by any sadhna or longer ways of doing good karma),

their purification starts and bad vrittis start surfacing up for

destruction. IMH that the reason behind the suffering of good

people. Since God designs a better and more spiritual life for them,

their sins are washed faster.

 

As far your comments on scripture goes, let me politely disagree.

as far as my mind tell me, Scriptures are just indicatives of truth

and not truth unto themselves. The Truth is what we SEE and FEEL,

not what we read and listen. What we see is our truth, that may look

different from the scriptures for the time being, but it may be a

great truth in the making. Salutations to our rishis, though for our

sacred books that we have all explanation of all the phenomenon

happening anywhere, anytime, and it is our job to relate scriptures

with our experience. IMHO Hinduism philosophy is the only one which

has a valid and logical explanation for everything be it small siddhi

mantras, snake mantras, hypnotism, OBE, Lucidity, dreams,Making of

the Universe, sins, virtues rituals, sadhana, One god, different

gods, idol worship,heaven & hell, Shakti and what not....only we

have to relate it in the right context. Well i may seem wrong...donno

but this is my Truth.

 

And tks SVCS for the valuable Q n A of Maharashi Ramana. They are

indeed very inspiring.

 

silentsoul

 

 

PS BTW where is Tatwamasi ? Has she also gone behind the Pied Piper,

with other children ?

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, sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote:

> I am happy that my message drew a good response from the members.

> Thank you svcs for the good story about the mother.

>

> The question is are we trying to please God. Is he pleased with

this

> kind of offering? Very often I was asked a question by many of my

> colleagues. Is this kind of offering better than regular prayers?

The

> people who succeed with this kind of offering continue to indulge

in

> this practice, and are often contemptuous of the people who pray

> regularly. People do pray regularly to God for material benefits.

> Whenever we visit a temple someone asks us whether it is in

> fulfillment of a vow. When we reply that it is not you should see

the

> look on their face.

>

> Again how does this fit in with the transfer of merit (karma)

theory?

> We ask for the fruits of our action even before the action. I agree

> with silentsoul that this can be viewed from different

perspectives.

> Thank you for the story, which reminds me of the crazy things we

> believed in when we were in school. However this practice does not

> seem to fit in with the philosophy of Hinduism and does not seem to

> have any scriptural sanction. This has also led to businessmen

making

> God a silent partner who shares in all the profits as well as the

bad

> deeds committed. In Tamil Nadu we have a God known as 75% God. It

is

> believed that you offer 25% in advance and the God will return 100%.

>

> Erica's message brings out the point about knowing what is good for

> us. What may be good in the short term may not be good in the long

> run. When we progress in our religious practice we reach a stage

> where you pray without Sankalpa (expectations). All that you want

is

> God's blessings. But since most of us are still part of the world,

> results like humiliation, insults, loss etc. does hurt us.

>

> If we teach our children about such practices (by word and example)

> they will also believe that it is necessary only to make a vow to

God

> when you are in trouble or want something done. I remember my son

> remarking once that some of his friends ring the bell in the school

> temple only on the day the results are announced. In Malayalam

> ringing a bell (maniyatikkal) means trying to please others.

>

> My basic question is this.

>

> Though it is said

> " Dhukmay sumiran sub kare , sukh mein kare na koi

> ..........."

> But in actual life, people who remember God constantly seem to

suffer

> more than the people who remember God only when they are in

trouble.

> We are yet to find an answer to the age old question " Why do bad

> things always happen to Good people?"

>

> Sankar

[Guest guest]

 

Though it is said

" Dhukmay sumiran sub kare , sukh mein kare na koi

............"

But in actual life, people who remember God constantly seem to suffer

more than the people who remember God only when they are in trouble.

We are yet to find an answer to the age old question " Why do bad

things always happen to Good people?"

 

Jaya Sri Radhey! Namaste all.

 

The answer can be found in the prayers of Queen Kunti devi, a great

devotee of Lord, who had suffered all her life.

 

"Salutations to Krishna born of Vasudeva and Devaki !

Salutations again and again to the Brahman of the Upanishads Who has

appeared in His sportive manifestation as the Son of Nanda."

 

-Srimad Bhagavatam 1.8.21

 

"O Teacher of all the worlds !

Let Perils face us at every step;

for it is in dangerous situations that we feel the presence of You,

Whose vision bestows freedom from rebirth.

 

-Srimad Bhagavatam 1.8.25

 

"No one can understand the real intentions of Your sportive actions

when You simulate the ways of men in Your incarnations.

 

None is friendly or inimical to You. You come only to redeem Jivas

and even the destruction of so called enemies is only to bless them

and give them salvation thereby.

 

-Srimad Bhagavatam 1.8.29

 

Lord declares:

 

"He on whom I am going to bestow My grace, I slowly deprive him of

all his wealth. When his wealth is gone, his friends, kith and kin

desert him, making him sink into utmost sorrow and despair."

 

- Srimad Bhagavatam 10.88.8

 

When his further efforts to gain wealth also fail, thanks to My will,

he becomes filled with dispassion and gets associated with My

devotees. On such a one I bestow My grace."

 

- Srimad Bhagavatam 10.88.9

 

"yasyAhamanugRhNami vittaM tasya harAmyaham,

karoti bandhu vicchedaM sa tu duHkhena jIvati.

santApeSvapi kaunteya yadi mAM na parityajet,

dadAmyahaM svIya padaM devAnAmapi durlabham."

 

(Lord Krishna gave similar message again to Arjuna in Padma Purana)

 

"He on whom I am going to bestow My grace, I take away all his

wealth, separate him from his family and friends, so that he may live

his life in utter sorrow bereft of all his possessions.

Though fully distressed with his material conditions, if he doesnot

give up My devotion in his suffering state, I extend to that sincere

devotee My own abode which is impssible to attain even by celestial

beings."

 

 

Jaya Sri Radhey!

[Guest guest]

Jaya Sri Radhey!

 

akAmaH sarvakAmo vA

mokSkAma udAradhIH

tIvreNa bhakti yogena

yajeta puruSaM param

 

(Srimad Bhagavatam 2.3.10)

 

All people of expansive intelligence should worship the Supreme

Person by the process of intense bhakti-yoga,

whether they are pure devotees without any personal desire, or

whether they are filled with all kinds of desires,

or seek liberation.

 

satyaM dizaty arthitam arthito nRNAM

naivArthado yat punar arthitA yataH

svayaM vidhatte bhajatAm anicchatAm

icchApi dhänaM nija-pAda-pallavam

 

(Srimad Bhagavatam 5.19.27)

 

It is true that Lord Krishna fulfills desires whenever someone

petitions Him to do so.

However, He does not award anything that, once having been received,

will be asked for again and again.

Even if such worshipers show no desire for His lotus feet, the Lord

personally bestows the benediction on them whereby they will forget

all their transitory material desires.

 

Jaya Sri Radhey!

 

, pyari_h <no_reply> wrote:

>

Though it is said

> " Dhukmay sumiran sub kare , sukh mein kare na koi

> ..........."

> But in actual life, people who remember God constantly seem to

suffer

> more than the people who remember God only when they are in

trouble.

> We are yet to find an answer to the age old question " Why do bad

> things always happen to Good people?"

>

> Jaya Sri Radhey! Namaste all.

>

> The answer can be found in the prayers of Queen Kunti devi, a great

> devotee of Lord, who had suffered all her life.

>

> "Salutations to Krishna born of Vasudeva and Devaki !

> Salutations again and again to the Brahman of the Upanishads Who

has

> appeared in His sportive manifestation as the Son of Nanda."

>

> -Srimad Bhagavatam 1.8.21

>

> "O Teacher of all the worlds !

> Let Perils face us at every step;

> for it is in dangerous situations that we feel the presence of You,

> Whose vision bestows freedom from rebirth.

>

> -Srimad Bhagavatam 1.8.25

>

> "No one can understand the real intentions of Your sportive actions

> when You simulate the ways of men in Your incarnations.

>

> None is friendly or inimical to You. You come only to redeem Jivas

> and even the destruction of so called enemies is only to bless them

> and give them salvation thereby.

>

> -Srimad Bhagavatam 1.8.29

>

> Lord declares:

>

> "He on whom I am going to bestow My grace, I slowly deprive him of

> all his wealth. When his wealth is gone, his friends, kith and kin

> desert him, making him sink into utmost sorrow and despair."

>

> - Srimad Bhagavatam 10.88.8

>

> When his further efforts to gain wealth also fail, thanks to My

will,

> he becomes filled with dispassion and gets associated with My

> devotees. On such a one I bestow My grace."

>

> - Srimad Bhagavatam 10.88.9

>

> "yasyAhamanugRhNami vittaM tasya harAmyaham,

> karoti bandhu vicchedaM sa tu duHkhena jIvati.

> santApeSvapi kaunteya yadi mAM na parityajet,

> dadAmyahaM svIya padaM devAnAmapi durlabham."

>

> (Lord Krishna gave similar message again to Arjuna in Padma Purana)

>

> "He on whom I am going to bestow My grace, I take away all his

> wealth, separate him from his family and friends, so that he may

live

> his life in utter sorrow bereft of all his possessions.

> Though fully distressed with his material conditions, if he doesnot

> give up My devotion in his suffering state, I extend to that

sincere

> devotee My own abode which is impssible to attain even by celestial

> beings."

>

>

> Jaya Sri Radhey!