Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Namaste ! A doubt came to my mind about the meaning of some terms and their difference. People often talk about activating the chakras. What does this really mean? Is it the same as concentrating on a chakra? Some people concentrate on the 6th chakra for example and start their spiritual journey there. What confuses me though is the fact that other sadhanas start from the first chakra and try to raise the kundalini through all of them. Maybe my message is a little confusing because I am myself confused about this subject. To sum up, I could put it like this: if one concentrates on one chakra, does this rise the kundalini to it or is it only a sort of supernatural concentration that makes one get to know the specific chakra? greetings and smiles to all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 There is only one kind of chakra that really exists, and that is the chakra of social evolution. All other chakras are imaginations/creations of the human mind. The social chakras are a series of evolutionary steps that lead mankind (the human mind, body and effort) from one level of development to another. These chakras are often interrupted by external stimuli or revolution of ideas. These revolutions can either be a setback or be a fillip to progress of human thought. For example, the ideas of liberalism and equality during the French revolution, or our own Indian struggle for independence can be considered progressive. However, the rise of Islamic (or other religious) radical ideas can be considered a setback for the chakra of social evolution. Unfortunately, mankind has not been able to break free from these chakras yet. , "de_spell_2000" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > Namaste ! > > A doubt came to my mind about the meaning of some terms and their > difference. People often talk about activating the chakras. What does > this really mean? Is it the same as concentrating on a chakra? Some > people concentrate on the 6th chakra for example and start their > spiritual journey there. What confuses me though is the fact that > other sadhanas start from the first chakra and try to raise the > kundalini through all of them. Maybe my message is a little confusing > because I am myself confused about this subject. > > To sum up, I could put it like this: if one concentrates on one > chakra, does this rise the kundalini to it or is it only a sort of > supernatural concentration that makes one get to know the specific > chakra? > > greetings and smiles to all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2002 Report Share Posted May 15, 2002 Radical ideas leading to fundamentalism can be a real problem. Only the Divine Ultimate has, is the Ultimate Truth, And to this end there are many paths. megalith6 , silentopposition <no_reply> wrote: > There is only one kind of chakra that really exists, and that is the > chakra of social evolution. > All other chakras are imaginations/creations of the human mind. > The social chakras are a series of evolutionary steps that lead > mankind (the human mind, body and effort) from one level of > development to another. > These chakras are often interrupted by external stimuli or > revolution of ideas. > These revolutions can either be a setback or be a fillip to progress > of human thought. > For example, the ideas of liberalism and equality during the French > revolution, or our own Indian struggle for independence can be > considered progressive. > However, the rise of Islamic (or other religious) radical ideas can > be considered a setback for the chakra of social evolution. > > Unfortunately, mankind has not been able to break free from these > chakras yet. > > , "de_spell_2000" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > > Namaste ! > > > > A doubt came to my mind about the meaning of some terms and their > > difference. People often talk about activating the chakras. What > does > > this really mean? Is it the same as concentrating on a chakra? > Some > > people concentrate on the 6th chakra for example and start their > > spiritual journey there. What confuses me though is the fact that > > other sadhanas start from the first chakra and try to raise the > > kundalini through all of them. Maybe my message is a little > confusing > > because I am myself confused about this subject. > > > > To sum up, I could put it like this: if one concentrates on one > > chakra, does this rise the kundalini to it or is it only a sort of > > supernatural concentration that makes one get to know the specific > > chakra? > > > > greetings and smiles to all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 , megalith6 <no_reply> wrote: > Radical ideas leading to fundamentalism can be a real problem. Radical ideas arise out of the conditions under which a section of the population, or a class, has to live. That gives rise to religous fundmentalism. Religion, and hence fundamentalism, is inward-looking. That is inherently dangerous, because it tells you that if there is anything wrong within you, then *you* are responsible for it; you and only you are to be blamed for it. And your past actions have created this for you. This kind of thinking gives rise to radical ideas. > And to this end there are many paths. I agree. And the path of non-violent reform is the right path. Any path that requires the use of violence cannot be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 The chakra of social evolution... where is it situated then? on the astral body? ... if the only truth for you is the social evolution you dont need to describe it as a chakra... Spiritual experiences as a result of sadhana are not imaginations. They are states of higher consiousness and everyone can experience them, provided one meditates. So the only way to find out if something is true or not, is to try it and practice it and see for onesself. , silentopposition <no_reply> wrote: > There is only one kind of chakra that really exists, and that is the > chakra of social evolution. > All other chakras are imaginations/creations of the human mind. > The social chakras are a series of evolutionary steps that lead > mankind (the human mind, body and effort) from one level of > development to another. > These chakras are often interrupted by external stimuli or > revolution of ideas. > These revolutions can either be a setback or be a fillip to progress > of human thought. > For example, the ideas of liberalism and equality during the French > revolution, or our own Indian struggle for independence can be > considered progressive. > However, the rise of Islamic (or other religious) radical ideas can > be considered a setback for the chakra of social evolution. > > Unfortunately, mankind has not been able to break free from these > chakras yet. > > , "de_spell_2000" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > > Namaste ! > > > > A doubt came to my mind about the meaning of some terms and their > > difference. People often talk about activating the chakras. What > does > > this really mean? Is it the same as concentrating on a chakra? > Some > > people concentrate on the 6th chakra for example and start their > > spiritual journey there. What confuses me though is the fact that > > other sadhanas start from the first chakra and try to raise the > > kundalini through all of them. Maybe my message is a little > confusing > > because I am myself confused about this subject. > > > > To sum up, I could put it like this: if one concentrates on one > > chakra, does this rise the kundalini to it or is it only a sort of > > supernatural concentration that makes one get to know the specific > > chakra? > > > > greetings and smiles to all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 Dear silentopposition, "Religion ... is inward-looking". If you believe, as I do, that the Divine Ultimate is Love, then I would hope that the expression of this conviction is anything but inward-looking! Namaste, megalith6 , silentopposition <no_reply> wrote: > , megalith6 <no_reply> wrote: > > Radical ideas leading to fundamentalism can be a real problem. > > Radical ideas arise out of the conditions under which a section of > the population, or a class, has to live. > That gives rise to religous fundmentalism. > Religion, and hence fundamentalism, is inward-looking. > That is inherently dangerous, because it tells you that if there is > anything wrong within you, then *you* are responsible for it; you > and only you are to be blamed for it. > And your past actions have created this for you. > This kind of thinking gives rise to radical ideas. > > > And to this end there are many paths. > > I agree. And the path of non-violent reform is the right path. > Any path that requires the use of violence cannot be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 , "de_spell_2000" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > The chakra of social evolution... where is it situated then? on > the astral body? If you want to put it that way, then-it is within the body of mankind. Not just within the body of one single individual, but the entire human society. All human beings are subject to its laws, just as we are subject to the laws of nature. > ... if the only truth for you is the social evolution > you dont need to describe it as a chakra... But it is !! It is a chakra. It goes thru several phases, just as one person's life goes through several phases, like brahramacharya, grihast, etc. What makes you think that evolution is one constant linear path. It is a more like "long waves". So is our thought process, our religion, philosophy, etc. The evolution of human thought mirrors the evolution of society. > Spiritual experiences as a result of sadhana are not imaginations. I was not talking about "spiritual experiences". In response to the original message (which was about chakras of life), I said that the only real chakra is that of social evolution. Other chakras, like those of thought, religion, etc. are mirrors of social evolution and exist only as ideas, in the idealistic realm. Not in the real realm of life. > They are states of higher consiousness and everyone can experience > them, provided one meditates. So the only way to find out if > something is true or not, is to try it and practice it and see for > onesself. I am not denying the benefits of meditation and concentration. Meditation helps achieve peace with oneself. However, meditation is individualistic in nature. That was my other point about religion being inward-looking. Of coure, meditation has nothing to do with religion. There are several people who are very good at the art of meditation, but are not necessarily religious. Similarly, there are people who are very religious (or rather ritualistic), but do not meditate. Doesn't make them any better or worse. That is why it is individualistic in nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 I agree with you that the ultimate, as you put it, is the power of love. But I would strongly disagree that religion is an expression (or implentation) of that "divine love". It is anything but that. On the contrary, if you look around, you will find that it is the exact opposite. It breeds hatred, radical ideas (which is what we talked about in the previous message), and greed. Show me one religion today that is not causing infinite pain and suffering for mankind. If you believe that God exists in every man, and in every good action, then why do we need religion? What is religion? It is nothing but an aggregate of fear, class conflict and greed, amassed over generations of human evolution. Look at the origins of any religion and you will find the same. Divine love is the love and compassion for your fellowmen. That does not need religion to express itself. This is what I feel. , megalith6 <no_reply> wrote: > Dear silentopposition, > > "Religion ... is inward-looking". > > If you believe, as I do, that the Divine Ultimate is Love, then I > would hope that the expression of this conviction is anything but > inward-looking! > > Namaste, > > megalith6 > > > > > , silentopposition <no_reply> wrote: > > , megalith6 <no_reply> wrote: > > > Radical ideas leading to fundamentalism can be a real problem. > > > > Radical ideas arise out of the conditions under which a section of > > the population, or a class, has to live. > > That gives rise to religous fundmentalism. > > Religion, and hence fundamentalism, is inward-looking. > > That is inherently dangerous, because it tells you that if there is > > anything wrong within you, then *you* are responsible for it; you > > and only you are to be blamed for it. > > And your past actions have created this for you. > > This kind of thinking gives rise to radical ideas. > > > > > And to this end there are many paths. > > > > I agree. And the path of non-violent reform is the right path. > > Any path that requires the use of violence cannot be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 Well, the theory is well known, in which the macrocosm is included in the microcosm and vice versa. The whole universe is included in each individual and each individual is a part of the cosmos, the whole existence, be that material or spiritual; physical, mental or spiritual. And this is valid for the fourth dimension as well (eternity is included in a single moment). We cant deny the fact that there is an intense bond between the individual and the universe as a whole. The flow of influence however is mutual... can you influence the individual? then you will influence the society and the cosmos generally. Can you influence the cosmos? Then you will inevitably influence the individual. Our whole life is actually based on the game of the law of cause and effect, action and reaction, known in physics too as a law of Newton. And if generalized it touches Einsteins law of relativity... everything relates to everything after all!! Now, when we try to interpete these laws through the scope of spirituality, we can convey these concepts as the theories or the universal soul and the universal mind. Each individual carries a spark of the divine spark, is a part of the divine soul and is the divine soul at the same time. This is valid for the concept of mind too which is found in not in the pure spiritual planes but in the causal or mental ones. The problem arises when the soul gets entagled in the web of maya, whiches sole goal is to convince us of the illusion of the individuality. At this point I would like to quote once again from the writings of the great soul and yogi Paramahansa Yogananda which clears this point in a very lucid way: "Nature,with her infinite variety and inexorable laws,is an evolute of the Singular Reality through a cosmic delusion:maya,the "Magical Measurer" that makes the One appear as many embracing their own individuality-forms and intelligences existing in an apparent separation from their Creator.Just as a dreamer differentiates his one consciousness into many dream beings in a dream world,so God,the Cosmic Dreamer,has separated His consciousness into all the cosmic manifestations,with souls individualized from His own One Being endowed with the egoity to dream their personalized existences within the Nature-ordained drama of the Universal Dream." Chakras are in us and in everything. As we are we and all at the same time. They can be described as astral planes and be visited through astral travels or they can be tracked on the astral body by people who can concentrate on the subtle body and can perceive through the limitations of the physical. So meditation can definetely not be individualistic in nature my dear friend. Meditation is the timeless and the very ultimate science, which can lead one in realizing ones real nature and oneness with the cosmos. Thus, the best way to help others and the best way to help the universe as a whole is to practice meditation. Namaste! , silentopposition <no_reply> wrote: > , "de_spell_2000" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > > The chakra of social evolution... where is it situated then? on > > the astral body? > > If you want to put it that way, then-it is within the body of > mankind. Not just within the body of one single individual, but the > entire human society. > All human beings are subject to its laws, just as we are subject to > the laws of nature. > > > ... if the only truth for you is the social evolution > > you dont need to describe it as a chakra... > > But it is !! > It is a chakra. It goes thru several phases, just as one person's > life goes through several phases, like brahramacharya, grihast, etc. > What makes you think that evolution is one constant linear path. It > is a more like "long waves". > So is our thought process, our religion, philosophy, etc. > The evolution of human thought mirrors the evolution of society. > > > Spiritual experiences as a result of sadhana are not imaginations. > > I was not talking about "spiritual experiences". In response to the > original message (which was about chakras of life), I said that the > only real chakra is that of social evolution. > Other chakras, like those of thought, religion, etc. are mirrors of > social evolution and exist only as ideas, in the idealistic realm. > Not in the real realm of life. > > > They are states of higher consiousness and everyone can > experience > > them, provided one meditates. So the only way to find out if > > something is true or not, is to try it and practice it and see for > > onesself. > > I am not denying the benefits of meditation and concentration. > Meditation helps achieve peace with oneself. > However, meditation is individualistic in nature. > That was my other point about religion being inward-looking. > Of coure, meditation has nothing to do with religion. > There are several people who are very good at the art of meditation, > but are not necessarily religious. > Similarly, there are people who are very religious (or rather > ritualistic), but do not meditate. > Doesn't make them any better or worse. > > That is why it is individualistic in nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Hm, Maya, the great illusion. Thank you, this brings me a little closer to the illusive something I am searching for. Meditation. Science. Yes. Has not Tantra also been described as The Science? Tantra, meditation, all paths to the great liberation. Call it Mind, call it Soul ... or Moksha. At which point individuality ceases to separate self from Self. Om Tara, megalith6 , "de_spell_2000" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > Well, the theory is well known, in which the macrocosm is included in > the microcosm and vice versa. The whole universe is included in each > individual and each individual is a part of the cosmos, the whole > existence, be that material or spiritual; physical, mental or > spiritual. And this is valid for the fourth dimension as well > (eternity is included in a single moment). > > We cant deny the fact that there is an intense bond between the > individual and the universe as a whole. The flow of influence however > is mutual... can you influence the individual? then you will > influence the society and the cosmos generally. Can you influence the > cosmos? Then you will inevitably influence the individual. Our whole > life is actually based on the game of the law of cause and effect, > action and reaction, known in physics too as a law of Newton. And if > generalized it touches Einsteins law of relativity... everything > relates to everything after all!! > > Now, when we try to interpete these laws through the scope of > spirituality, we can convey these concepts as the theories or the > universal soul and the universal mind. Each individual carries a > spark of the divine spark, is a part of the divine soul and is the > divine soul at the same time. This is valid for the concept of mind > too which is found in not in the pure spiritual planes but in the > causal or mental ones. The problem arises when the soul gets entagled > in the web of maya, whiches sole goal is to convince us of the > illusion of the individuality. At this point I would like to quote > once again from the writings of the great soul and yogi Paramahansa > Yogananda which clears this point in a very lucid way: > > "Nature,with her infinite variety and inexorable laws,is an evolute > of the Singular Reality through a cosmic delusion:maya,the "Magical > Measurer" that makes the One appear as many embracing their own > individuality-forms and intelligences existing in an apparent > separation from their Creator.Just as a dreamer differentiates his > one consciousness into many dream beings in a dream world,so God,the > Cosmic Dreamer,has separated His consciousness into all the cosmic > manifestations,with souls individualized from His own One Being > endowed with the egoity to dream their personalized existences within > the Nature-ordained drama of the Universal Dream." > > Chakras are in us and in everything. As we are we and all at the same > time. They can be described as astral planes and be visited through > astral travels or they can be tracked on the astral body by people > who can concentrate on the subtle body and can perceive through the > limitations of the physical. > > So meditation can definetely not be individualistic in nature my dear > friend. Meditation is the timeless and the very ultimate science, > which can lead one in realizing ones real nature and oneness with the > cosmos. Thus, the best way to help others and the best way to help > the universe as a whole is to practice meditation. > > > Namaste! > > , silentopposition <no_reply> wrote: > > , "de_spell_2000" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > > > The chakra of social evolution... where is it situated then? on > > > the astral body? > > > > If you want to put it that way, then-it is within the body of > > mankind. Not just within the body of one single individual, but the > > entire human society. > > All human beings are subject to its laws, just as we are subject to > > the laws of nature. > > > > > ... if the only truth for you is the social evolution > > > you dont need to describe it as a chakra... > > > > But it is !! > > It is a chakra. It goes thru several phases, just as one person's > > life goes through several phases, like brahramacharya, grihast, etc. > > What makes you think that evolution is one constant linear path. It > > is a more like "long waves". > > So is our thought process, our religion, philosophy, etc. > > The evolution of human thought mirrors the evolution of society. > > > > > Spiritual experiences as a result of sadhana are not > imaginations. > > > > I was not talking about "spiritual experiences". In response to the > > original message (which was about chakras of life), I said that the > > only real chakra is that of social evolution. > > Other chakras, like those of thought, religion, etc. are mirrors of > > social evolution and exist only as ideas, in the idealistic realm. > > Not in the real realm of life. > > > > > They are states of higher consiousness and everyone can > > experience > > > them, provided one meditates. So the only way to find out if > > > something is true or not, is to try it and practice it and see > for > > > onesself. > > > > I am not denying the benefits of meditation and concentration. > > Meditation helps achieve peace with oneself. > > However, meditation is individualistic in nature. > > That was my other point about religion being inward-looking. > > Of coure, meditation has nothing to do with religion. > > There are several people who are very good at the art of > meditation, > > but are not necessarily religious. > > Similarly, there are people who are very religious (or rather > > ritualistic), but do not meditate. > > Doesn't make them any better or worse. > > > > That is why it is individualistic in nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Dear Friend, You are describing Humanism, a noble cause. But faith is felt, to someone of a religious temperament (innate in all), it is the very heart. Ignorance is another matter entirely. The majority of us live in a state of partial or complete spiritual ignorance. Ignorance breeds fear, and fear of others leads to disasters. The majority cling to what they perceive as *their* religion, *their* beliefs, *their* national identities, and their insecurities which, as above, can lead to tragedy for all. Because they have forgotten that we are all the children of the One. That we are - ulimately - an extension of the One. And that we return to the One. & because we are unenlightened or we forget, we are in misery, & blind, abject ignorance. It is Ignorance which causes the Misery you describe, that & that alone. It is transcendence which will end it, some day, I pray. Dear Lord! megalith6 , silentopposition <no_reply> wrote: > I agree with you that the ultimate, as you put it, is the power of > love. > But I would strongly disagree that religion is an expression (or > implentation) of that "divine love". > It is anything but that. > On the contrary, if you look around, you will find that it is the > exact opposite. > It breeds hatred, radical ideas (which is what we talked about in > the previous message), and greed. > Show me one religion today that is not causing infinite pain and > suffering for mankind. > If you believe that God exists in every man, and in every good > action, then why do we need religion? > What is religion? > It is nothing but an aggregate of fear, class conflict and greed, > amassed over generations of human evolution. > Look at the origins of any religion and you will find the same. > > Divine love is the love and compassion for your fellowmen. > That does not need religion to express itself. > This is what I feel. > > , megalith6 <no_reply> wrote: > > Dear silentopposition, > > > > "Religion ... is inward-looking". > > > > If you believe, as I do, that the Divine Ultimate is Love, then I > > would hope that the expression of this conviction is anything but > > inward-looking! > > > > Namaste, > > > > megalith6 > > > > > > > > > > , silentopposition <no_reply> wrote: > > > , megalith6 <no_reply> wrote: > > > > Radical ideas leading to fundamentalism can be a real problem. > > > > > > Radical ideas arise out of the conditions under which a section > of > > > the population, or a class, has to live. > > > That gives rise to religous fundmentalism. > > > Religion, and hence fundamentalism, is inward-looking. > > > That is inherently dangerous, because it tells you that if there > is > > > anything wrong within you, then *you* are responsible for it; > you > > > and only you are to be blamed for it. > > > And your past actions have created this for you. > > > This kind of thinking gives rise to radical ideas. > > > > > > > And to this end there are many paths. > > > > > > I agree. And the path of non-violent reform is the right path. > > > Any path that requires the use of violence cannot be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 The way I see it Tantra is truly The Science. Well I guess we are not searching for the illusion, we just try to transcend it. And when that happens, when all the karmas of the individual are nullified or made invalid and the kundalini can remain in the 7th chakra(or nineth to some), maybe then can one seperate self from self as you expressed. but who knows what all must take place for a soul to achieve liberation? only a spiritual scientist could report that(which is never done, for reasons which i fail to understand)..it is something which my mind still cannot perceive, especially when i read that not only munis and sidhas, but even rishis are not totally liberated beings and still retain their individuality... personally... i wouldnt mind to be a rishi with a jiva than a jiva in total maya....lol and namaste , megalith6 <no_reply> wrote: > Hm, > > Maya, the great illusion. Thank you, this brings me a little closer > to the illusive something I am searching for. > > Meditation. Science. Yes. Has not Tantra also been described as The > Science? > > Tantra, meditation, all paths to the great liberation. Call it Mind, > call it Soul ... or Moksha. > > At which point individuality ceases to separate self from Self. > > Om Tara, > > megalith6 > > > > , "de_spell_2000" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > > Well, the theory is well known, in which the macrocosm is included > in > > the microcosm and vice versa. The whole universe is included in > each > > individual and each individual is a part of the cosmos, the whole > > existence, be that material or spiritual; physical, mental or > > spiritual. And this is valid for the fourth dimension as well > > (eternity is included in a single moment). > > > > We cant deny the fact that there is an intense bond between the > > individual and the universe as a whole. The flow of influence > however > > is mutual... can you influence the individual? then you will > > influence the society and the cosmos generally. Can you influence > the > > cosmos? Then you will inevitably influence the individual. Our > whole > > life is actually based on the game of the law of cause and effect, > > action and reaction, known in physics too as a law of Newton. And > if > > generalized it touches Einsteins law of relativity... everything > > relates to everything after all!! > > > > Now, when we try to interpete these laws through the scope of > > spirituality, we can convey these concepts as the theories or the > > universal soul and the universal mind. Each individual carries a > > spark of the divine spark, is a part of the divine soul and is the > > divine soul at the same time. This is valid for the concept of mind > > too which is found in not in the pure spiritual planes but in the > > causal or mental ones. The problem arises when the soul gets > entagled > > in the web of maya, whiches sole goal is to convince us of the > > illusion of the individuality. At this point I would like to quote > > once again from the writings of the great soul and yogi Paramahansa > > Yogananda which clears this point in a very lucid way: > > > > "Nature,with her infinite variety and inexorable laws,is an evolute > > of the Singular Reality through a cosmic delusion:maya,the "Magical > > Measurer" that makes the One appear as many embracing their own > > individuality-forms and intelligences existing in an apparent > > separation from their Creator.Just as a dreamer differentiates his > > one consciousness into many dream beings in a dream world,so > God,the > > Cosmic Dreamer,has separated His consciousness into all the cosmic > > manifestations,with souls individualized from His own One Being > > endowed with the egoity to dream their personalized existences > within > > the Nature-ordained drama of the Universal Dream." > > > > Chakras are in us and in everything. As we are we and all at the > same > > time. They can be described as astral planes and be visited through > > astral travels or they can be tracked on the astral body by people > > who can concentrate on the subtle body and can perceive through the > > limitations of the physical. > > > > So meditation can definetely not be individualistic in nature my > dear > > friend. Meditation is the timeless and the very ultimate science, > > which can lead one in realizing ones real nature and oneness with > the > > cosmos. Thus, the best way to help others and the best way to help > > the universe as a whole is to practice meditation. > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > , silentopposition <no_reply> wrote: > > > , "de_spell_2000" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > > > > The chakra of social evolution... where is it situated then? on > > > > the astral body? > > > > > > If you want to put it that way, then-it is within the body of > > > mankind. Not just within the body of one single individual, but > the > > > entire human society. > > > All human beings are subject to its laws, just as we are subject > to > > > the laws of nature. > > > > > > > ... if the only truth for you is the social evolution > > > > you dont need to describe it as a chakra... > > > > > > But it is !! > > > It is a chakra. It goes thru several phases, just as one person's > > > life goes through several phases, like brahramacharya, grihast, > etc. > > > What makes you think that evolution is one constant linear path. > It > > > is a more like "long waves". > > > So is our thought process, our religion, philosophy, etc. > > > The evolution of human thought mirrors the evolution of society. > > > > > > > Spiritual experiences as a result of sadhana are not > > imaginations. > > > > > > I was not talking about "spiritual experiences". In response to > the > > > original message (which was about chakras of life), I said that > the > > > only real chakra is that of social evolution. > > > Other chakras, like those of thought, religion, etc. are mirrors > of > > > social evolution and exist only as ideas, in the idealistic realm. > > > Not in the real realm of life. > > > > > > > They are states of higher consiousness and everyone can > > > experience > > > > them, provided one meditates. So the only way to find out if > > > > something is true or not, is to try it and practice it and see > > for > > > > onesself. > > > > > > I am not denying the benefits of meditation and concentration. > > > Meditation helps achieve peace with oneself. > > > However, meditation is individualistic in nature. > > > That was my other point about religion being inward-looking. > > > Of coure, meditation has nothing to do with religion. > > > There are several people who are very good at the art of > > meditation, > > > but are not necessarily religious. > > > Similarly, there are people who are very religious (or rather > > > ritualistic), but do not meditate. > > > Doesn't make them any better or worse. > > > > > > That is why it is individualistic in nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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