Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 LET US PONDER AS TO WHAT IS AN AVATAR. PURNAVATAR, ANSHAVATAR AND AVESHAVATAR ALL ALL AVATARS. THEN PURNAVATAR IS SOMETHIG ELSE.PARASURAM. DURGA,KALI,LUXMAN..ALL HAS BEEN SAID BY THE SCRIPTURES AS AVATAR BUT MANY OF THEM ARE EITHER AVESHAVATAR, LIKE PARASURAM, ETC. LET US UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF AVATAR FIRST......THEN WE CAN DECIDE AS TO WHICH FORM, MALE OR FEMALE IS RELEVENT.I JUST QUOTED A SAYING OF A PERFECT MASTER. I AM NOT AN AUTHORITY.----SATISH , s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote: > > If we see our Hindu scriptures and Puranas closely, we find that God > has indeed taken an Avatar in a female form. > > There once was a very wicked demon called Mahisha Sura. He obtained > various boons that he considered to be equivalent to immortality from > Brahma, the Creator. Having obtained these boons, his pride and ego > grew and grew and knew no bounds. He conquered all the 3 worlds, the > 7 seas and everything that exists in this cosmos. He tortured all the > celestial beings (devas), and ruthlessly killed the sages and saints > who read the Vedas. Thus Dharma or righteousness started declining on > this earth, and Adharma or Injustice grew stronger day by day. Unable > to bear the torture of the wicked demom Mahisha Sura, the celestial > beings (devas), the Rishis, and all the living beings of the 3 worlds > prayed to Adi-ParaShakthi or the Divine Mother to redeem them from > their pitiable plight. Relenting to their prayers, She took the > Avatar of "Mahisha Sura Mardini". > > She fought a fierce battle with the wicked demon for 9 days, and on > the 10th day her victory was celebrated. These 9 days when good won > over evil are celebrated as 'Navarathiri' or 'Dusshera'. > > > Lord Narayana Himself has assumed a female Avatar, known as Mohini > Avatar. Mohini is one of the 24 Avatars of Vishnu, of which 10 are > considered very important and are called the 'Dasa Avatar'. > Lord Narayana took the Mohini Avatar under 2 circumstances that I > know of : > 1. To protect the 'Amrit' (Divine Ambrosia of Immortality) from the > wicked Asuras or demons and to distribute it to the devas. > 2. Lord Shiva w/o a second thought gave a boon to Basmasura that on > whose ever head Basmasura places his hand, will become ashes the next > second. On acquiring hte boon, Basmasura decided to test it on Shiva > himself, and Shiva sought Lord Vishnu's help. Vishnu then took the > Mohini Avatar, and killed the evil minded Basmasura. > > There are many more female Avatars that God assumed to kill the > wicked demons, and they can be found in our Puranas. > > Apart from taking Avatars in female form, he also took Avatars in > animal forms, namely the Varaha Avatar (boar), Matsya Avatar (fish), > Kurma Avatar (tortoise) and Narasimha Avatar (half lion half man). > > This is to show that He pervades all and is all. It is we the > ignorant who see the differences in morphology and give names like > man, woman, animal, beast, fish etc. But He is the 'ONE', and > transcends all constraints of morphology, chemistry, physics, > physiology etc. > > Our goal should not be confine ourselves to these limitations of > morphology and see who's superior or inferior, but to transcend all > barriers and reach 'Liberation', for God is genderless and formless. > > Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 Dear Satish, I do not understand your post. Please see below: , safar_x <no_reply> wrote: > LET US PONDER AS TO WHAT IS AN AVATAR. PURNAVATAR, ANSHAVATAR AND > AVESHAVATAR ALL ALL AVATARS. THEN PURNAVATAR IS SOMETHIG > I do not understand any of what you say in the above...??? What do you mean, "purnavatar is something else"??? Can you speak in clear simple words/language what you mean or are trying to say here? SCRIPTURES AS AVATAR BUT MANY OF THEM ARE EITHER AVESHAVATAR, LIKE > PARASURAM, ETC. LET US UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF AVATAR I do not understand the above. What do you mean "Many of them are either aveshavatar..etc"??? Is there someone else who has read this and understands what Satish has said and can interpret/translate it into simple English for me? I am not a pundit nor do I claim to be. I like simplicity. All these terms just boggle my mind. Can SOMEONE please explain to me what Satish is saying above, or can Satish himself explain to me??? > FIRST......THEN WE CAN DECIDE AS TO WHICH FORM, MALE OR FEMALE IS > RELEVENT.I JUST QUOTED A SAYING OF A PERFECT MASTER. I AM NOT AN > AUTHORITY.----SATISH > And are not the Divine Mothers also "perfect authorities"???? Blessings, Kathy , s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote: > > > > If we see our Hindu scriptures and Puranas closely, we find that > God > > has indeed taken an Avatar in a female form. > > > > There once was a very wicked demon called Mahisha Sura. He obtained > > various boons that he considered to be equivalent to immortality > from > > Brahma, the Creator. Having obtained these boons, his pride and ego > > grew and grew and knew no bounds. He conquered all the 3 worlds, > the > > 7 seas and everything that exists in this cosmos. He tortured all > the > > celestial beings (devas), and ruthlessly killed the sages and > saints > > who read the Vedas. Thus Dharma or righteousness started declining > on > > this earth, and Adharma or Injustice grew stronger day by day. > Unable > > to bear the torture of the wicked demom Mahisha Sura, the celestial > > beings (devas), the Rishis, and all the living beings of the 3 > worlds > > prayed to Adi-ParaShakthi or the Divine Mother to redeem them from > > their pitiable plight. Relenting to their prayers, She took the > > Avatar of "Mahisha Sura Mardini". > > > > She fought a fierce battle with the wicked demon for 9 days, and on > > the 10th day her victory was celebrated. These 9 days when good won > > over evil are celebrated as 'Navarathiri' or 'Dusshera'. > > > > > > Lord Narayana Himself has assumed a female Avatar, known as Mohini > > Avatar. Mohini is one of the 24 Avatars of Vishnu, of which 10 are > > considered very important and are called the 'Dasa Avatar'. > > Lord Narayana took the Mohini Avatar under 2 circumstances that I > > know of : > > 1. To protect the 'Amrit' (Divine Ambrosia of Immortality) from the > > wicked Asuras or demons and to distribute it to the devas. > > 2. Lord Shiva w/o a second thought gave a boon to Basmasura that on > > whose ever head Basmasura places his hand, will become ashes the > next > > second. On acquiring hte boon, Basmasura decided to test it on > Shiva > > himself, and Shiva sought Lord Vishnu's help. Vishnu then took the > > Mohini Avatar, and killed the evil minded Basmasura. > > > > There are many more female Avatars that God assumed to kill the > > wicked demons, and they can be found in our Puranas. > > > > Apart from taking Avatars in female form, he also took Avatars in > > animal forms, namely the Varaha Avatar (boar), Matsya Avatar > (fish), > > Kurma Avatar (tortoise) and Narasimha Avatar (half lion half man). > > > > This is to show that He pervades all and is all. It is we the > > ignorant who see the differences in morphology and give names like > > man, woman, animal, beast, fish etc. But He is the 'ONE', and > > transcends all constraints of morphology, chemistry, physics, > > physiology etc. > > > > Our goal should not be confine ourselves to these limitations of > > morphology and see who's superior or inferior, but to transcend all > > barriers and reach 'Liberation', for God is genderless and > formless. > > > > Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 Dear Kathy, Purna is a sanskrit word meaning "the complete". ansh too is a samskrit meaning "partial". aavesh means "the emmotional furry" Lord Krishna (in Hindu scripters) has been called a "purnavatar" meaning the Divine in complete human form. Parashuram..is known as "partial avatar" and so is laxman, younger brother of Lord rama is said to be shesh naga's "avatar in emmotional furry". Infact hunduism's basic spitirual concepts are mainly 1.re-incarnation, 2. law of Karma and 3.Absolute One. Incarnation is translated in hindi and sanskrit as Avatar;but the word's usage is limited to Divine Incarnate. Thus everyone of us has to be reborn, in other words has to incarnate in the material world. But when the Absolute One takes human form, He is called an Avatar..like Christ, Muhammad, rama,Krishna. Islamic theory, however, holds that Absolute One can not limit Itself in a limited "form". Whether He can or not, is not the present topic to consider. The points to consider are:- 1.Does that One Universal Conciousness(Absolute One) take, from time to time, a human form ? 2. Does that Universal Conciousness has many layers of conciousness, as professed by Yogic Kundalini Chkras and other school of philosophies By the way, sanskrit the word "avatar" is derrived from the word "avataran" meaning "to descend". thus according to hindus Universal conciousness, due to His compassion "decends"(takes human form). Only then He is called an"avatar".If you like please log on to http://www.poetry.com and when the page opens look for a search box. Put my last name "srivastava" and first name "satish" (both without quotes). You shall find there two of my poems posted.It may give you an understanding to what I am talking about. lots of love to you Satish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2002 Report Share Posted August 3, 2002 Dear one, your view supports just the Vaishnava viewpoint, supported by simply purana chatushtaya. All this amsha avatara, etc do not get the sanction of all the puranas. Also, the scholars have recently proved beyond doubt that Bhagavatha purana does not even confirm to the standards that have to be necessarily satisfied to be called a 'Mashapurana'. Avatara is not necessarily in a human body. As Kalika Purana says, 'avataryate mahaadevi puurnaruupa payaswini . ekamevaadwitiiyaa saa parabrahmapadaabhidaa'. Krisha is just an Avatar of Brahman. All aspects of Saguna Brahman are one and the same. Theer can be no true liberation until one moves over the limiting constraints of time, space and form ! narayanasmritayaH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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