About Avatar and m/f boies...reponse, Pt I.(COMMENTS ANSD)

[Guest guest]

Dear Kathy, I am giving four addresses of Meher baba Centres in USA.

I f u need more addresses arround the globe..tell me.

1.Meher Spiritual Center

10200 Highway 17 North

Myrtle Beach, SC 29572 U.S.A. 2.Meher Mount

9902 Sulphur Mountain Road

Ojai, CA 93023 U. S. A.

2.Meher Baba Information Box

1101 Berkeley, CA 94701

U.S.A.

3.Sheriar Foundation Bookstore

807 34th Avenue South,

N. Myrtle Beach,SC 29582 U.S.A. 8.Beloved Books,

P.O Box 10,

New York -10185 U.S.A.

4.Avatar Meher Baba Center of Southern California

1214 Van Ness Avenue Los Angeles,

CA 90019-3520 U.S.A.

Lots of Love

Satish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, celestial_saraswati <no_reply> wrote:

> Dear Satish,

>

> Could you please post the address of the Meher Baba spiritual

Centre

> in Myrtle Beach?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Kathy

> , safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> > KATHY YR QUERRIED ANSWERED TO THE BEST OF MY MENTAL LEVEL. KINLY

> READ

> > YR LINES IN WHICH I HAVE GIVEN BRACKETTED CAPS LETTER NOTES

> > LOVE

> > SATISH

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , celestial_saraswati <no_reply> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satish,

> > >

> > > Thank you for your response. Please see my responses,

comments,

> to

> > > yours...below:

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In , safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> > > > Dear Kathy, Blessed you are for having got initiation fron

> > Vilayat

> > > > Khan. If you may find the successive Mrshids and Murshids

after

> > > Khan

> > > > saheb himself, you are apt to find the name of Ivy Oneita

> > Duce.She

> > >

> > >

> > > Satish, can you explain what you mean "after Kahan saheb

himself"?

> > > (not sure I understand what you mean by saheb).(SAHEB IS AN

URDU

> > WORD USED AS HONORAYFIX) Sometimes I can be

> > > pretty dense! :-)

> > >

> > > Please see further, below, my responses:

> > >

> > > > had written a volumenous book, i quoted before "how the

master

> > > works"

> > > > published by Sufism Reoriented,walnut creek, USA. In that

book

> > the

> > >

> > > I am not familiar with this book, I haven't read a whole lot of

> > sufi

> > > books for awhile, although I have a very great collection of

them

> > on

> > > my shelves presently.(BOOK MAY BE GOT ISSUED TO YOU FROM MEHER

> BABA

> > SPITITUAL CENTRE MYTRLE BEACH)

> > >

> > >

> > > > story of Moses has been mentioned; but it is alligoric

> statement.

> > >

> > > Yes, many of the "sufi stories" are teaching stories. Somehow,

> > > sometimes those stories just further confuse me, as I try to

key

> in

> > > to a number of things being said, and oftentimes confusion sets

> in!

> > > (TRUE)

> > >

> > > May

> > > > there have been no such incidence. Kathy, dont

> confuse,yourself,

> > > The

> > > > gist of the story is that every soul has his or her own

> spititual

> > > > connection which is predetermined according to his or her

past

> > > > immoressions( sanskaras) gathered iduring the process of

> > attaining

> > > > ahuman body.Thus a Path may be suitable to you, but another

one

> > for

> > > > me.

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, this is very true. As Mother Meera said (I believe it was

> > Her),

> > > people have different temperaments, so need different teachers.

> > >

> > >

> > > > As for the "Mother" concept, Meher baba told that the term

may

> > not

> > > be

> > > > assosiated to a female form in personal terms, but in

> immpersonal

> > > > terms only.Any one, male or female, if gives birth to any

form

> or

> > >

> > >

> > > So than "Mother" can be titled or used for one in a male body?

I

> > > thought the term was "Baba" for those in a male human body?

But

> I

> > do ( HA HA,,NO.. IN REAL MATERIAL LIFE WE SAY MOTHER ONLY TO

> > FEMALES.THOUGH THERE ARE SOME FEMALE ENLIGHTENED SOULS( HAZRAT

BABA

> > JAN FOR INSTANCE) WHO LIKED TO ME ADDRESSED AS MALE)

> > > think I can "take in" what Meher Baba may have meant...i.e.,

> > > seeing "Mother" as ALL, etc. Correct?(YES, CORRECT)

> > >

> > >

> > > > formless atribute( like a painting by a painter, or lines of

> > poetry

> > > > by a poet), it is termed "mother". Yes "mother" aspect of the

> > > Divine

> > > > is real creater, the second passive form of the Absolue(

which

> > has

> > > > been tered as "purush..meaning a male), As per Sankhya school

> of

> > >

> > >

> > > I think you have lost me already, when you say, "the second

> passive

> > > form of the Absolute" :-)( KATHY I POINTED OUT TO JUST AN

> > ACCADEMIC TRETISE OF HIDU PHILOSOPHY, THIS POSTULATES THAT

ABSOLUTE

> > REALITY IS A DUAL OR PURUSHA(MALE) AND(PRACTITI).MALE FORM IS

SAID

> > PASSIVE..WHILE FEMALE"PRAKRTI" ACTIVE. THUS TAKE IT JUST AN

> ACCADEMIC

> > REFERANCE)) Sometimes all these things just confuse

> > > me...what is meant by "second passive form"?(THE PURUSH

PRINCIPLE

> > OF SAMKHYA SCHOOL) See, the more words,

> > > the more confusion for me sometimes. That is why I think many

of

> > the

> > > great ones who come and bless us with darshan say NO WORDS at

> all,

> > > rather it is the emanations/vibrations that affect us and take

us

> > to (MEHER BABA'S MOST SIGNIFICANT ASPECT WAS "NO WORDS" AND I

HAVE

> A

> > BEUTIFULL COMPOSITION. POEM, ON THIS;SHALL POST LATER SOMETIME)

> > > a higher plane of consciousness/Reality which surpasses or goes

> > > beyond the intellect/human brain...(YES..U HAVE GOT IT)

> > >

> > >

> > > philosophy,This duality has vividly described. But, you are

> > > > perfectly right when you say that main thing in the Path is

> > Heart,

> > > > not the Mind."Love" is a feeling of heart alone, independent

of

> > the

> > > (I HAVE A LINE TO QUOTE FROM MEHER BABA,"ALL THINGS WHICH ARE

> REAL

> > ARE GIVEN AND RECEIVED IN SILENCE)

> > >

> > > I have a Zen buddhist priest friend, and it was either he or

> > someone

> > > else in buddhism that has also used the words: 'mind-heart"

> > or "heart-

> > > mind". Sometimes, words just get in the way. It seems our

> > > intellects are so intent on getting it right, or nailing

> everything

> > > down into a definition. But like that salt doll going into the

> > > depths of the ocean to measure the ocean, what happens to it?

It

> > is

> > > toally beyond 'measurement' (or 'definition', I would imagine..)

> > >

> > >

> > > > Mind. It is therefore Avatar of the age, Meher Baba, has

> > emphsised (YES VERY TURE)

> > > > on "love" not "devote" God and try to see Him in every one

and

> > >

> > >

> > > I am sorry, I didn't understand what you meant in the above,

> maybe

> > > there was a typo, can you further clarify: you wrote: "Meher

> Baba

> > > has

> > > emphasized on"love" not "devote" God.." ???( HE HAS COMPARED

> > THE "LOVE" AND "DEVOTION" FOR GOD..AND MENTIONED THE LOVE TO BE

OF

> > GREATER POTENCY)

> > >

> > > Could you please give that to me in more words...did not get

what

> > you

> > > meant about "not devote God"...?????( I SHALL MAKE U AVAILABLE

> THE

> > TEXT WHAT BABA SAID ABOUT LOVE V/S DEVOTION)

> > >

> > >

> > > > everywhere.The keynote is annihiliation of ego, and

> unconditional

> > > una

> > > > dulterrated selfless "love" for God whoes seat is your

> > >

> > > Yes, annihilation of the ego (what Swami Ramdas calls

the 'false

> > > ego'). The sufis call the ego nufs or nafs.( THERE ARE SAID TO

> BE

> > SEVERAL NUFS..NUFS AKL..IS WHAT A SEEKER HAS TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT)

> > >

> > >

> > > > way I had said, every one of us is an avatar; illusion veils

> the

> > > > truth and we began to be attach ourself. Beaware of this, and

> if

> > > you

> > > > feel your helpless ness, remember God by any name of your

> > > inclination.

> > >

> > > It is similar regarding "buddha nature" I think. For some time

I

> > > posted on some NGs on Usenet, but people oftentimes became

quite

> > > nasty. This group is much kinder and more loving. But I think

> the

> > > gist of it is, is that we all have buddha (or buddh) potential,

> but

> > > to realize that nature, we must purify the mind/heart. And

that

> is

> > > also what many of the great saints/Divine Mothers/sages say:

> > > meditation purifies the mind.

> > > ( YES..REMEMBER FAMOUS BUDHIST CHANT--NAM-HO-REGA-KYO-- IS

> CARRIES

> > SAME SENCE BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE CHANTING..JUST KEEP REMEMBERING

YR

> > LIKED DIETY)

> > >

> > > > soon I shall try to post other pages which you asked for, I

am

> > > going

> > > > outstation for a week.I am too happy to find your approach in

a

> > > very

> > > > divinely motivated direction. Ansy=uya amma.. and all others

> are

> > to

> > > > be taken as Masters of much higher plains of the

conciousness,

> > and

> > > > they are full of love, compassion to all of us. They are

never

> > > > affected by our "beleif" in them, but they are contituously

> doing

> > > > universal work for the uplifting human conciousness....

> > > > Kathy I have only Love to offer you so plese accept it

> lovingly,

> > > not

> > >

> > >

> > > I accept your love and kindness. I am only trying to

understand

> > what

> > > you are saying that Meher Baba has said about avatars coming

only

> > in

> > > male human bodies. Still, I suspect it has to do with

something

> > like

> > > a specific mission in which the male body is necessary, but

until

> > you ( CONGRATES KATHY..YOU HAVE GRASPED THE ESSENCE OF IT. HE

NEVER

> > SAID ANY SEX SUPERIOR OR INFERIOR,BUT SAID THAT DURING THE

PROGRESS

> > OF SOUL, IT HAS TO TAKE BOTH FEMALE AND MALE FORMS BECAUSE BOTH

> HAVE

> > THEIR OWN CREDITES)

> > > post the whole context, I will only be guessing at this point.

> > >

> > >

> > > > as a preaching. As for I am comcerned, I am a most poor

fellow

> in

> > > the

> > > > Domain of spitituality

> > > > Satish

> > > >

> > > Thank you Satish, for all that you offer in love.

> > >

> > > Blessings,

> > >

> > > Kathy

> > >

> > >

> > > @}-->----

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , celestial_saraswati <no_reply>

wrote:

> > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > Thank you for your response. I tend to get a little

confused

> > > when

> > > > I

> > > > > read these stories...is this Moses that the story is about?

> > > > > I was initiated by Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan into sufism in

> > l99l.

> > > So

> > > > I

> > > > > am somewhat familiar with some of the terms you are using

> > before,

> > > > but

> > > > > not sure I got the total gist of the story.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, all of creation is the Divine. I think I remember in

> > > reading

> > > > > something, maybe in Amma Anasuya Devi's words, something to

> the

> > > > > effect, that it is not that the Mother is Mother of

Creation,

> > but

> > > > > rather, Mother IS Creation!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to respond to your post, but may have to do it

> in

> > > > > several parts as the machine tends to shut me down after I

> have

> > > > been

> > > > > too long on working on one post. There are some

> definitiations

> > > of

> > > > > 'avatar' that I looked up the other day that I would like

to

> > post

> > > > > on/about.

> > > > >

> > > > > I tend to agree with you, that words can get in the way, as

> > well

> > > as

> > > > > arguments or even scholarly focus. It truly is about the

> > heart,

> > > > and

> > > > > worshipping from the depth of one's heart: this is what

> REALLY

> > > > > matters, what REALLY counts. As Karunamayi has said, the

> > Mother

> > > > > looks for the purity in one's heart, and even

> tapas/meditations

> > > are

> > > > > not as important as this (or words to this effect).

Reading

> > this

> > > > > helped me tremendously, because I have been having

difficulty

> > > > > meditating ever since the WTC tragedy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, I would like to post some of the words by Hazrat

Inayat

> > > Khan

> > > > > (Sufi Master, and father of Pir Vilayat, who initiated me

in

> > > l99l0,

> > > > > what he said to his mureeds many years ago. His talks were

> > > > recorded

> > > > > by hand (they didn't have all the cassette recorders like

we

> > do,

> > > > and

> > > > > oftentimes people who took notes either missed words or

they

> > > heard

> > > > > things differently and the notes were not exactly the same,

> > > > etc)...I

> > > > > would like to, if I can find, write some of the things

> Murshid

> > > > (this

> > > > > is H.I.Khan, who was a Pir-O-Murshid, actually) said about

> > saint,

> > > > > master, prophet, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > So this is continued to my next post...Part II

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > Kathy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In , safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Erica and Kathy, After having read overwhelming post

> of

> > > > Dainya

> > > > > > Maduri, I am using the same page for posting this

message.

> > From

> > > a

> > > > > > posting from either of you, I was asked to post more from

2

> > to

> > > 3

> > > > > > pages of the book I referred to. I shall do it for sure,

> but

> > > may

> > > > be

> > > > > > after a wile. In this post I am going to narrate a story

as

> > > given

> > > > > as

> > > > > > a supplement to "HOW A MASTER WORKS" by Ivy O.Duce, then

> > > Murshida

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Sufism re-oriented,USA. The story goes as follows:-

> > > > > > Famuos saint Moosa(Moses), is said to having direct

> > > > conversation

> > > > > > from God; and this conversation was held daily from a

> > secluded

> > > > hill

> > > > > > top. One day while Hazrat Moosa was going to that

> particuler

> > > hill

> > > > > > top, he saw a poor man sitting the road side absorbed in

> some

> > > > self

> > > > > > engrossed activity.He held a mud piece and was feebly

> > > > uttering. "O!

> > > > > > Allah. If you meet me some day, I would not let you go

> before

> > > you

> > > > > > come to my hut and I shall feed you with my own hands,

> annoit

> > > > you,

> > > > > > dress you, decorate you and pay a Namaz..." Hazrat

Mossa's

> > ears

> > > > > > caught these words,and he became very angree, thinking

that

> > > this

> > > > > > wreched poor illetrate creater is insulting Allah, Who is

> so

> > > > great

> > > > > > that He can not be limited to any worldly form. With a

good

> > > > notion

> > > > > > Hazrat admonished the fellow, and asked not to utter such

> > words

> > > > > > of "Kufr". The poor man, with awe, agreed to and then

> Hazrat

> > > > > > proceeded for the hill top. That day hazrat kept waiting,

> but

> > > no

> > > > > > voice was heard by him from heavens. Next day too, Hazrat

> > could

> > > > not

> > > > > > get the oppartunity to hear to His Lord's vioice. Days

> passed

> > > on

> > > > > and

> > > > > > with passing of each day Hazrat's uneasyness increased.

One

> > day

> > > > on

> > > > > > the hill top. he was in tears, and uttered, "o Allah! why

> > dont

> > > > you

> > > > > > talk to me now? I am feeling great agony". Sudenly avoice

> > came

> > > > from

> > > > > > the skyes, "All creation is Mine. O Hazrat! Blessed you

are

> > > that

> > > > > you

> > > > > > have attained so much purity to have been able to talk to

> > > Me;But

> > > > > who

> > > > > > gave you authourity to tell the creatures of My creation

as

> > to

> > > > how

> > > > > he

> > > > > > or she adores me?".... It is said that Hazrat was

conferred

> > God-

> > > > > > Realisation same day.

> > > > > > The purpose of this story post is to impress upon

> the "Love-

> > > God"

> > > > > > facter irrespective of who is/was/shall be God-Incarnate,

> or

> > > what

> > > > > is

> > > > > > correct about male and female bodies. Although, I have

made

> a

> > > > > pledge

> > > > > > to post 3 to 4 pages from the book, i quoted,but wiuld

> > > certainly

> > > > > like

> > > > > > to know if any one of us in the group had acces to the

book

> I

> > > > > > pointed ?

> > > > > > Lots of pure unadultereated LOVE

> > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > P.S. - I am still over powered by Dainya Maduri verses.

> > Thanks

> > > > for

> > > > > it

[Guest guest]

Dear Satish,

 

Thank you for this information. Again..what was the sufi book's

title that you mentioned...can I have the exact title, author, etc?

(the one you mentioned about the Murshida?). Is this book available

through one of the Meher Baba spiritual centres?

 

 

Thank you,

 

Kathy

 

-- In , safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> Dear Kathy, I am giving four addresses of Meher baba Centres in

USA.

> I f u need more addresses arround the globe..tell me.

> 1.Meher Spiritual Center

> 10200 Highway 17 North

> Myrtle Beach, SC 29572 U.S.A. 2.Meher Mount

> 9902 Sulphur Mountain Road

> Ojai, CA 93023 U. S. A.

> 2.Meher Baba Information Box

> 1101 Berkeley, CA 94701

> U.S.A.

> 3.Sheriar Foundation Bookstore

> 807 34th Avenue South,

> N. Myrtle Beach,SC 29582 U.S.A. 8.Beloved Books,

> P.O Box 10,

> New York -10185 U.S.A.

> 4.Avatar Meher Baba Center of Southern California

> 1214 Van Ness Avenue Los Angeles,

> CA 90019-3520 U.S.A.

> Lots of Love

> Satish

>

>

, celestial_saraswati <no_reply> wrote:

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > Could you please post the address of the Meher Baba spiritual

> Centre

> > in Myrtle Beach?

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Kathy

> > , safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> > > KATHY YR QUERRIED ANSWERED TO THE BEST OF MY MENTAL LEVEL.

KINLY

> > READ

> > > YR LINES IN WHICH I HAVE GIVEN BRACKETTED CAPS LETTER NOTES

> > > LOVE

> > > SATISH

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , celestial_saraswati <no_reply> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for your response. Please see my responses,

> comments,

> > to

> > > > yours...below:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- In , safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Kathy, Blessed you are for having got initiation fron

> > > Vilayat

> > > > > Khan. If you may find the successive Mrshids and Murshids

> after

> > > > Khan

> > > > > saheb himself, you are apt to find the name of Ivy Oneita

> > > Duce.She

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Satish, can you explain what you mean "after Kahan saheb

> himself"?

> > > > (not sure I understand what you mean by saheb).(SAHEB IS AN

> URDU

> > > WORD USED AS HONORAYFIX) Sometimes I can be

> > > > pretty dense! :-)

> > > >

> > > > Please see further, below, my responses:

> > > >

> > > > > had written a volumenous book, i quoted before "how the

> master

> > > > works"

> > > > > published by Sufism Reoriented,walnut creek, USA. In that

> book

> > > the

> > > >

> > > > I am not familiar with this book, I haven't read a whole lot

of

> > > sufi

> > > > books for awhile, although I have a very great collection of

> them

> > > on

> > > > my shelves presently.(BOOK MAY BE GOT ISSUED TO YOU FROM

MEHER

> > BABA

> > > SPITITUAL CENTRE MYTRLE BEACH)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > story of Moses has been mentioned; but it is alligoric

> > statement.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, many of the "sufi stories" are teaching stories.

Somehow,

> > > > sometimes those stories just further confuse me, as I try to

> key

> > in

> > > > to a number of things being said, and oftentimes confusion

sets

> > in!

> > > > (TRUE)

> > > >

> > > > May

> > > > > there have been no such incidence. Kathy, dont

> > confuse,yourself,

> > > > The

> > > > > gist of the story is that every soul has his or her own

> > spititual

> > > > > connection which is predetermined according to his or her

> past

> > > > > immoressions( sanskaras) gathered iduring the process of

> > > attaining

> > > > > ahuman body.Thus a Path may be suitable to you, but another

> one

> > > for

> > > > > me.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes, this is very true. As Mother Meera said (I believe it

was

> > > Her),

> > > > people have different temperaments, so need different

teachers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > As for the "Mother" concept, Meher baba told that the term

> may

> > > not

> > > > be

> > > > > assosiated to a female form in personal terms, but in

> > immpersonal

> > > > > terms only.Any one, male or female, if gives birth to any

> form

> > or

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So than "Mother" can be titled or used for one in a male

body?

> I

> > > > thought the term was "Baba" for those in a male human body?

> But

> > I

> > > do ( HA HA,,NO.. IN REAL MATERIAL LIFE WE SAY MOTHER ONLY TO

> > > FEMALES.THOUGH THERE ARE SOME FEMALE ENLIGHTENED SOULS( HAZRAT

> BABA

> > > JAN FOR INSTANCE) WHO LIKED TO ME ADDRESSED AS MALE)

> > > > think I can "take in" what Meher Baba may have meant...i.e.,

> > > > seeing "Mother" as ALL, etc. Correct?(YES, CORRECT)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > formless atribute( like a painting by a painter, or lines

of

> > > poetry

> > > > > by a poet), it is termed "mother". Yes "mother" aspect of

the

> > > > Divine

> > > > > is real creater, the second passive form of the Absolue(

> which

> > > has

> > > > > been tered as "purush..meaning a male), As per Sankhya

school

> > of

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I think you have lost me already, when you say, "the second

> > passive

> > > > form of the Absolute" :-)( KATHY I POINTED OUT TO JUST AN

> > > ACCADEMIC TRETISE OF HIDU PHILOSOPHY, THIS POSTULATES THAT

> ABSOLUTE

> > > REALITY IS A DUAL OR PURUSHA(MALE) AND(PRACTITI).MALE FORM IS

> SAID

> > > PASSIVE..WHILE FEMALE"PRAKRTI" ACTIVE. THUS TAKE IT JUST AN

> > ACCADEMIC

> > > REFERANCE)) Sometimes all these things just confuse

> > > > me...what is meant by "second passive form"?(THE PURUSH

> PRINCIPLE

> > > OF SAMKHYA SCHOOL) See, the more words,

> > > > the more confusion for me sometimes. That is why I think

many

> of

> > > the

> > > > great ones who come and bless us with darshan say NO WORDS at

> > all,

> > > > rather it is the emanations/vibrations that affect us and

take

> us

> > > to (MEHER BABA'S MOST SIGNIFICANT ASPECT WAS "NO WORDS" AND I

> HAVE

> > A

> > > BEUTIFULL COMPOSITION. POEM, ON THIS;SHALL POST LATER SOMETIME)

> > > > a higher plane of consciousness/Reality which surpasses or

goes

> > > > beyond the intellect/human brain...(YES..U HAVE GOT IT)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > philosophy,This duality has vividly described. But, you are

> > > > > perfectly right when you say that main thing in the Path is

> > > Heart,

> > > > > not the Mind."Love" is a feeling of heart alone,

independent

> of

> > > the

> > > > (I HAVE A LINE TO QUOTE FROM MEHER BABA,"ALL THINGS WHICH ARE

> > REAL

> > > ARE GIVEN AND RECEIVED IN SILENCE)

> > > >

> > > > I have a Zen buddhist priest friend, and it was either he or

> > > someone

> > > > else in buddhism that has also used the words: 'mind-heart"

> > > or "heart-

> > > > mind". Sometimes, words just get in the way. It seems our

> > > > intellects are so intent on getting it right, or nailing

> > everything

> > > > down into a definition. But like that salt doll going into

the

> > > > depths of the ocean to measure the ocean, what happens to

it?

> It

> > > is

> > > > toally beyond 'measurement' (or 'definition', I would

imagine..)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Mind. It is therefore Avatar of the age, Meher Baba, has

> > > emphsised (YES VERY TURE)

> > > > > on "love" not "devote" God and try to see Him in every one

> and

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry, I didn't understand what you meant in the above,

> > maybe

> > > > there was a typo, can you further clarify: you wrote: "Meher

> > Baba

> > > > has

> > > > emphasized on"love" not "devote" God.." ???( HE HAS COMPARED

> > > THE "LOVE" AND "DEVOTION" FOR GOD..AND MENTIONED THE LOVE TO BE

> OF

> > > GREATER POTENCY)

> > > >

> > > > Could you please give that to me in more words...did not get

> what

> > > you

> > > > meant about "not devote God"...?????( I SHALL MAKE U

AVAILABLE

> > THE

> > > TEXT WHAT BABA SAID ABOUT LOVE V/S DEVOTION)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > everywhere.The keynote is annihiliation of ego, and

> > unconditional

> > > > una

> > > > > dulterrated selfless "love" for God whoes seat is your

> > > >

> > > > Yes, annihilation of the ego (what Swami Ramdas calls

> the 'false

> > > > ego'). The sufis call the ego nufs or nafs.( THERE ARE SAID

TO

> > BE

> > > SEVERAL NUFS..NUFS AKL..IS WHAT A SEEKER HAS TO BE CAUTIOUS

ABOUT)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > way I had said, every one of us is an avatar; illusion

veils

> > the

> > > > > truth and we began to be attach ourself. Beaware of this,

and

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > feel your helpless ness, remember God by any name of your

> > > > inclination.

> > > >

> > > > It is similar regarding "buddha nature" I think. For some

time

> I

> > > > posted on some NGs on Usenet, but people oftentimes became

> quite

> > > > nasty. This group is much kinder and more loving. But I

think

> > the

> > > > gist of it is, is that we all have buddha (or buddh)

potential,

> > but

> > > > to realize that nature, we must purify the mind/heart. And

> that

> > is

> > > > also what many of the great saints/Divine Mothers/sages say:

> > > > meditation purifies the mind.

> > > > ( YES..REMEMBER FAMOUS BUDHIST CHANT--NAM-HO-REGA-KYO-- IS

> > CARRIES

> > > SAME SENCE BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE CHANTING..JUST KEEP REMEMBERING

> YR

> > > LIKED DIETY)

> > > >

> > > > > soon I shall try to post other pages which you asked for,

I

> am

> > > > going

> > > > > outstation for a week.I am too happy to find your approach

in

> a

> > > > very

> > > > > divinely motivated direction. Ansy=uya amma.. and all

others

> > are

> > > to

> > > > > be taken as Masters of much higher plains of the

> conciousness,

> > > and

> > > > > they are full of love, compassion to all of us. They are

> never

> > > > > affected by our "beleif" in them, but they are contituously

> > doing

> > > > > universal work for the uplifting human conciousness....

> > > > > Kathy I have only Love to offer you so plese accept it

> > lovingly,

> > > > not

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I accept your love and kindness. I am only trying to

> understand

> > > what

> > > > you are saying that Meher Baba has said about avatars coming

> only

> > > in

> > > > male human bodies. Still, I suspect it has to do with

> something

> > > like

> > > > a specific mission in which the male body is necessary, but

> until

> > > you ( CONGRATES KATHY..YOU HAVE GRASPED THE ESSENCE OF IT. HE

> NEVER

> > > SAID ANY SEX SUPERIOR OR INFERIOR,BUT SAID THAT DURING THE

> PROGRESS

> > > OF SOUL, IT HAS TO TAKE BOTH FEMALE AND MALE FORMS BECAUSE BOTH

> > HAVE

> > > THEIR OWN CREDITES)

> > > > post the whole context, I will only be guessing at this point.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > as a preaching. As for I am comcerned, I am a most poor

> fellow

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > Domain of spitituality

> > > > > Satish

> > > > >

> > > > Thank you Satish, for all that you offer in love.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Kathy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > @}-->----

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , celestial_saraswati <no_reply>

> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > > Thank you for your response. I tend to get a little

> confused

> > > > when

> > > > > I

> > > > > > read these stories...is this Moses that the story is

about?

> > > > > > I was initiated by Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan into sufism in

> > > l99l.

> > > > So

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am somewhat familiar with some of the terms you are using

> > > before,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > not sure I got the total gist of the story.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, all of creation is the Divine. I think I remember

in

> > > > reading

> > > > > > something, maybe in Amma Anasuya Devi's words, something

to

> > the

> > > > > > effect, that it is not that the Mother is Mother of

> Creation,

> > > but

> > > > > > rather, Mother IS Creation!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would like to respond to your post, but may have to do

it

> > in

> > > > > > several parts as the machine tends to shut me down after

I

> > have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > too long on working on one post. There are some

> > definitiations

> > > > of

> > > > > > 'avatar' that I looked up the other day that I would like

> to

> > > post

> > > > > > on/about.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I tend to agree with you, that words can get in the way,

as

> > > well

> > > > as

> > > > > > arguments or even scholarly focus. It truly is about the

> > > heart,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > worshipping from the depth of one's heart: this is what

> > REALLY

> > > > > > matters, what REALLY counts. As Karunamayi has said, the

> > > Mother

> > > > > > looks for the purity in one's heart, and even

> > tapas/meditations

> > > > are

> > > > > > not as important as this (or words to this effect).

> Reading

> > > this

> > > > > > helped me tremendously, because I have been having

> difficulty

> > > > > > meditating ever since the WTC tragedy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, I would like to post some of the words by Hazrat

> Inayat

> > > > Khan

> > > > > > (Sufi Master, and father of Pir Vilayat, who initiated me

> in

> > > > l99l0,

> > > > > > what he said to his mureeds many years ago. His talks

were

> > > > > recorded

> > > > > > by hand (they didn't have all the cassette recorders like

> we

> > > do,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > oftentimes people who took notes either missed words or

> they

> > > > heard

> > > > > > things differently and the notes were not exactly the

same,

> > > > > etc)...I

> > > > > > would like to, if I can find, write some of the things

> > Murshid

> > > > > (this

> > > > > > is H.I.Khan, who was a Pir-O-Murshid, actually) said

about

> > > saint,

> > > > > > master, prophet, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So this is continued to my next post...Part II

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > > Kathy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- In , safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Erica and Kathy, After having read overwhelming

post

> > of

> > > > > Dainya

> > > > > > > Maduri, I am using the same page for posting this

> message.

> > > From

> > > > a

> > > > > > > posting from either of you, I was asked to post more

from

> 2

> > > to

> > > > 3

> > > > > > > pages of the book I referred to. I shall do it for

sure,

> > but

> > > > may

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > after a wile. In this post I am going to narrate a

story

> as

> > > > given

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > a supplement to "HOW A MASTER WORKS" by Ivy O.Duce,

then

> > > > Murshida

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > Sufism re-oriented,USA. The story goes as follows:-

> > > > > > > Famuos saint Moosa(Moses), is said to having direct

> > > > > conversation

> > > > > > > from God; and this conversation was held daily from a

> > > secluded

> > > > > hill

> > > > > > > top. One day while Hazrat Moosa was going to that

> > particuler

> > > > hill

> > > > > > > top, he saw a poor man sitting the road side absorbed

in

> > some

> > > > > self

> > > > > > > engrossed activity.He held a mud piece and was feebly

> > > > > uttering. "O!

> > > > > > > Allah. If you meet me some day, I would not let you go

> > before

> > > > you

> > > > > > > come to my hut and I shall feed you with my own hands,

> > annoit

> > > > > you,

> > > > > > > dress you, decorate you and pay a Namaz..." Hazrat

> Mossa's

> > > ears

> > > > > > > caught these words,and he became very angree, thinking

> that

> > > > this

> > > > > > > wreched poor illetrate creater is insulting Allah, Who

is

> > so

> > > > > great

> > > > > > > that He can not be limited to any worldly form. With a

> good

> > > > > notion

> > > > > > > Hazrat admonished the fellow, and asked not to utter

such

> > > words

> > > > > > > of "Kufr". The poor man, with awe, agreed to and then

> > Hazrat

> > > > > > > proceeded for the hill top. That day hazrat kept

waiting,

> > but

> > > > no

> > > > > > > voice was heard by him from heavens. Next day too,

Hazrat

> > > could

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > get the oppartunity to hear to His Lord's vioice. Days

> > passed

> > > > on

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > with passing of each day Hazrat's uneasyness increased.

> One

> > > day

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > the hill top. he was in tears, and uttered, "o Allah!

why

> > > dont

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > talk to me now? I am feeling great agony". Sudenly

avoice

> > > came

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the skyes, "All creation is Mine. O Hazrat! Blessed you

> are

> > > > that

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > have attained so much purity to have been able to talk

to

> > > > Me;But

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > gave you authourity to tell the creatures of My

creation

> as

> > > to

> > > > > how

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > or she adores me?".... It is said that Hazrat was

> conferred

> > > God-

> > > > > > > Realisation same day.

> > > > > > > The purpose of this story post is to impress upon

> > the "Love-

> > > > God"

> > > > > > > facter irrespective of who is/was/shall be God-

Incarnate,

> > or

> > > > what

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > correct about male and female bodies. Although, I have

> made

> > a

> > > > > > pledge

> > > > > > > to post 3 to 4 pages from the book, i quoted,but wiuld

> > > > certainly

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > to know if any one of us in the group had acces to the

> book

> > I

> > > > > > > pointed ?

> > > > > > > Lots of pure unadultereated LOVE

> > > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > > P.S. - I am still over powered by Dainya Maduri verses.

> > > Thanks

> > > > > for

> > > > > > it