Farewell Message

[Guest guest]

I have been pondering about how the messages posted in the clubs

affect us. Personally I do feel strongly about certain things.

Discrimination based on sex, race, caste and nationality is one of

them. Recently there have been many messages in Sadhnaa club, which I

felt strongly about.

 

Kathy wrote quoting Amma Anusuya Devi about women having to put with

beatings from their husbands. I wrote about that. Again safar quoted

Sankaracharya saying women are gateway to hell. And then went on to

quote Meher Baba that all avatars are only men.

 

I contradicted what in my opinion were his male chauvinistic views.

But unfortunately in my opinion the views of the majority of the

members seem to concur with that of safar and kathy. After all kathy

and safar were quoting the so called Gods where as I am only an

ordinary mortal.

 

It does seem to me strange that there should be any discussion at all

whether women are equal to men. What the discussions showed me was

how outdated I am in my thinking. These are the days of the believers

of God men /women. Again the club has become the exclusive domain of

the followers of Meher Baba, Amma Anusuya Devi and other God

men/women.

 

Since these messages in the club affect my peace of mind, I thought

it is better for me to withdraw. Not that I have been an active

member. I rarely post. Now you won't hear from me again. I am not

under any illusion that you will miss me.

 

I would like to thank the founders of the club tatwamasi, silent

soul, erica and svcs for their support and encouragement. I wish the

club well.

 

Fare Well,

 

Sankar

[Guest guest]

Dear Sankar,

 

I hope you will reconsider and stay in the group.

 

I would like to clarify a few things. First of all, I think Amma

Anasuya Devi said different things to different people, and one

should not take it as "black and white" for every person at every

level. My good friend Gordon W, who is a great devotee of Amma

Anasuya Devi himself told me that she probably said to one woman to

go to court, to another to fight back, and yet, to another what I had

quoted some time back.

 

Also, I had said that it distressed me somewhat to read this. One

must keep in mind that she lived in a culture where there has been

much discrimination against women. I know that in rural parts of

India, they even have burnt women to death because of no or low

dowery, etc. This is indeed AWFUL and TERRIBLE. I believe I later

posted something wherein Amma Anasuya Devi said that the man should

worship the wife, which probably came as a shock to a lot of men at

that time in the country.

 

So please know that I posted because people have *asked* me to post

on/about Amma Anasuya Devi, but I also hold very dear other

embodiments of Divine Mother, such as Karunamayi, Anandamayi Ma,

Mother Meera, Ammachi and Shree Maa.

 

If you would like me to quote from one of these great beings, I would

be happy to do so, also. I had asked if any one wanted quotes by

Karunamayi, but no one responded to or about this, as far as I know.

I believe that much good has been said, also, in the book by Linda

Johnsen about DAUGHTERS OF THE GODDESS (that may not be the exact

title..it is late and I am tired and don't have the book in front of

me).

 

Regarding Satish's post about Meher Baba--the way I look at it it may

be that Meher Baba was speaking about a particular "function" of The

Divine operating at a specific level or for a specific mission. I

have not yet received a definition from Satish as to what was Meher's

definition or interpreation of "avatar" and I wish Satish would

respond to this rather than going silent, since it was he who started

the conversation with these words of Meher Baba. The problem with

reading only a sentence or two of a great being, and not actually

BEING THERE when they are speaking to a particular person leaves a

LOT of room for misunderstanding or even missing what that being

might actually have really been saying.

 

Please tell me what I can say or do to help make you feel better and

give you more peace of mind. I am sorry that the postings on Amma

Anasuya Devi have upset you so.

 

Please take care.

 

Blessings,

 

Kathy

 

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, sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote:

>

> I have been pondering about how the messages posted in the clubs

> affect us. Personally I do feel strongly about certain things.

> Discrimination based on sex, race, caste and nationality is one of

> them. Recently there have been many messages in Sadhnaa club, which

I

> felt strongly about.

>

> Kathy wrote quoting Amma Anusuya Devi about women having to put

with

> beatings from their husbands. I wrote about that. Again safar

quoted

> Sankaracharya saying women are gateway to hell. And then went on to

> quote Meher Baba that all avatars are only men.

>

> I contradicted what in my opinion were his male chauvinistic views.

> But unfortunately in my opinion the views of the majority of the

> members seem to concur with that of safar and kathy. After all

kathy

> and safar were quoting the so called Gods where as I am only an

> ordinary mortal.

>

> It does seem to me strange that there should be any discussion at

all

> whether women are equal to men. What the discussions showed me was

> how outdated I am in my thinking. These are the days of the

believers

> of God men /women. Again the club has become the exclusive domain

of

> the followers of Meher Baba, Amma Anusuya Devi and other God

> men/women.

>

> Since these messages in the club affect my peace of mind, I thought

> it is better for me to withdraw. Not that I have been an active

> member. I rarely post. Now you won't hear from me again. I am not

> under any illusion that you will miss me.

>

> I would like to thank the founders of the club tatwamasi, silent

> soul, erica and svcs for their support and encouragement. I wish

the

> club well.

>

> Fare Well,

>

> Sankar

[Guest guest]

Dear One,

 

Here are some quotes that perhaps you will like (and I like them

also)..they are in the "Dedication" of a book entitled, "INNER

VICTORY", With Lahiri Mahasay's Commentaries on the Following Books:

Sri Sri Chandi (The Divine Mother)

The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali

Charaka (Book of Medicine), By the Himalayan Yogi, Swami

Satyeswarananda Giri Maharaj:

 

_"Striya Samsta Sakala Jagatsu."_ Sri Sri Chandi ll:6

 

"All women of the world are your forms. You alone are Mother. You

pervade throughout the world within and without." _Sri Sri Chandi

ll:6

 

 

"Dedicated to the women of the world, the forms of the Divine

Mother."

 

--The Author

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

Kathy

 

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, sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote:

>

> I have been pondering about how the messages posted in the clubs

> affect us. Personally I do feel strongly about certain things.

> Discrimination based on sex, race, caste and nationality is one of

> them. Recently there have been many messages in Sadhnaa club, which

I

> felt strongly about.

>

> Kathy wrote quoting Amma Anusuya Devi about women having to put

with

> beatings from their husbands. I wrote about that. Again safar

quoted

> Sankaracharya saying women are gateway to hell. And then went on to

> quote Meher Baba that all avatars are only men.

>

> I contradicted what in my opinion were his male chauvinistic views.

> But unfortunately in my opinion the views of the majority of the

> members seem to concur with that of safar and kathy. After all

kathy

> and safar were quoting the so called Gods where as I am only an

> ordinary mortal.

>

> It does seem to me strange that there should be any discussion at

all

> whether women are equal to men. What the discussions showed me was

> how outdated I am in my thinking. These are the days of the

believers

> of God men /women. Again the club has become the exclusive domain

of

> the followers of Meher Baba, Amma Anusuya Devi and other God

> men/women.

>

> Since these messages in the club affect my peace of mind, I thought

> it is better for me to withdraw. Not that I have been an active

> member. I rarely post. Now you won't hear from me again. I am not

> under any illusion that you will miss me.

>

> I would like to thank the founders of the club tatwamasi, silent

> soul, erica and svcs for their support and encouragement. I wish

the

> club well.

>

> Fare Well,

>

> Sankar

[Guest guest]

To Sankar and kathy,

 

I clearly remember that it was shankar's reaction to my original

posting about male and female bodies, that i wanted to be silent.And

it was compassionate Kathy who impressed upon me to keep talking.All

commotion arose because I could not make myself clear of what I

really ment. I playfully used the word "gateway" to point out that it

is an essential component of a "room" and it is always invarriably

used to both "get in" and "get out" as well. To my thinlking this is

a tribute to the feminine qualities. Other thing I want to clarify

that Meher Baba decribed about male/female bodies in the context of

spititual evolution of a soul. As to His explaination about an

"Avatar" He simply used the terms.."God-Man", and "Man-God".

I wish to add my appriciation of Kathy's post about Hazrat Inayat

Ali. And Shanar... i have already begged for yr pardon. So let the

love prevail, not the veil of our petty Egos.

Love and lots of it

Satish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, celestial_saraswati <no_reply> wrote:

>

> Dear Sankar,

>

> I hope you will reconsider and stay in the group.

>

> I would like to clarify a few things. First of all, I think Amma

> Anasuya Devi said different things to different people, and one

> should not take it as "black and white" for every person at every

> level. My good friend Gordon W, who is a great devotee of Amma

> Anasuya Devi himself told me that she probably said to one woman to

> go to court, to another to fight back, and yet, to another what I

had

> quoted some time back.

>

> Also, I had said that it distressed me somewhat to read this. One

> must keep in mind that she lived in a culture where there has been

> much discrimination against women. I know that in rural parts of

> India, they even have burnt women to death because of no or low

> dowery, etc. This is indeed AWFUL and TERRIBLE. I believe I later

> posted something wherein Amma Anasuya Devi said that the man should

> worship the wife, which probably came as a shock to a lot of men at

> that time in the country.

>

> So please know that I posted because people have *asked* me to post

> on/about Amma Anasuya Devi, but I also hold very dear other

> embodiments of Divine Mother, such as Karunamayi, Anandamayi Ma,

> Mother Meera, Ammachi and Shree Maa.

>

> If you would like me to quote from one of these great beings, I

would

> be happy to do so, also. I had asked if any one wanted quotes by

> Karunamayi, but no one responded to or about this, as far as I

know.

> I believe that much good has been said, also, in the book by Linda

> Johnsen about DAUGHTERS OF THE GODDESS (that may not be the exact

> title..it is late and I am tired and don't have the book in front

of

> me).

>

> Regarding Satish's post about Meher Baba--the way I look at it it

may

> be that Meher Baba was speaking about a particular "function" of

The

> Divine operating at a specific level or for a specific mission. I

> have not yet received a definition from Satish as to what was

Meher's

> definition or interpreation of "avatar" and I wish Satish would

> respond to this rather than going silent, since it was he who

started

> the conversation with these words of Meher Baba. The problem with

> reading only a sentence or two of a great being, and not actually

> BEING THERE when they are speaking to a particular person leaves a

> LOT of room for misunderstanding or even missing what that being

> might actually have really been saying.

>

> Please tell me what I can say or do to help make you feel better

and

> give you more peace of mind. I am sorry that the postings on Amma

> Anasuya Devi have upset you so.

>

> Please take care.

>

> Blessings,

>

> Kathy

>

> @}-->---

> , sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote:

> >

> > I have been pondering about how the messages posted in the clubs

> > affect us. Personally I do feel strongly about certain things.

> > Discrimination based on sex, race, caste and nationality is one

of

> > them. Recently there have been many messages in Sadhnaa club,

which

> I

> > felt strongly about.

> >

> > Kathy wrote quoting Amma Anusuya Devi about women having to put

> with

> > beatings from their husbands. I wrote about that. Again safar

> quoted

> > Sankaracharya saying women are gateway to hell. And then went on

to

> > quote Meher Baba that all avatars are only men.

> >

> > I contradicted what in my opinion were his male chauvinistic

views.

> > But unfortunately in my opinion the views of the majority of the

> > members seem to concur with that of safar and kathy. After all

> kathy

> > and safar were quoting the so called Gods where as I am only an

> > ordinary mortal.

> >

> > It does seem to me strange that there should be any discussion at

> all

> > whether women are equal to men. What the discussions showed me

was

> > how outdated I am in my thinking. These are the days of the

> believers

> > of God men /women. Again the club has become the exclusive domain

> of

> > the followers of Meher Baba, Amma Anusuya Devi and other God

> > men/women.

> >

> > Since these messages in the club affect my peace of mind, I

thought

> > it is better for me to withdraw. Not that I have been an active

> > member. I rarely post. Now you won't hear from me again. I am not

> > under any illusion that you will miss me.

> >

> > I would like to thank the founders of the club tatwamasi, silent

> > soul, erica and svcs for their support and encouragement. I wish

> the

> > club well.

> >

> > Fare Well,

> >

> > Sankar

[Guest guest]

Dear Shankar,

Please do read my comments on yr farewell resolution which would me

our misfortune. Comments are given in braketted caps letters in the

original message...please have a look carefully for the sake of Love

Divine.

, sankarrukku <no_reply> wrote:

>

> I have been pondering about how the messages posted in the clubs

> affect us. Personally I do feel strongly about certain things.

> Discrimination based on sex, race, caste and nationality is one of

> them. Recently there have been many messages in Sadhnaa club, which

I

> felt strongly about.

>

> Kathy wrote quoting Amma Anusuya Devi about women having to put

with

> beatings from their husbands. I wrote about that. Again safar

quoted

> Sankaracharya saying women are gateway to hell(TO GET OUT OF THE

HELL OF MATERIALISM). And then went on to

> quote Meher Baba that all avatars are only men.(REFERENCE HAS BEEN

GIVEN, BUT I TOO COULD NOT AS TO WHY)

>

> I contradicted what in my opinion were his male chauvinistic views.

> (NO QUESTION OF MALE OR FEMALE IN SPIRITUAL DOMAIN)But

unfortunately in my opinion the views of the majority of the

> members seem to concur with that of safar and kathy. After all

kathy

> and safar were quoting the so called Gods(SOME SAINTS OF LOWER

LEVELS OF CONCIOUSNESS ARE SAID TO BE OVERPOWERED BY MAYAVIC

ILLUSION. IT HAPPENS MOSTLY IN FOURTH PLAIN OF CONCIOUSNESS) where as

I am only an

> ordinary mortal.( ALL OF US ARE JUST ORDINARY ONES, OTHERWISE WHY

FEEL INSULT, ELATED, OR LIKE TO BE CALLED AS "GOOD PERSON")

>

> It does seem to me strange that there should be any discussion at

all

> whether women are equal to men.( ALL ARE EQUAL,THE DIFFERENCE BEING

THAT MALES DEPEND MORE ON BRAIN WHILE FEMALES FOLLOW THEIR HEART, AND

THIS DIFFERENCE PLACES THEM HIGH BECAUSE THEY INTICTIVILY LIVE OTHERS

TO MAKE HAPPY)What the discussions showed me was

> how outdated I am in my thinking. These are the days of the

believers

> of God men /women. Again the club has become the exclusive domain

of

> the followers of Meher Baba, Amma Anusuya Devi and other God

> men/women.( NO IT IS A FORUM FOR LEARNERS OF THE PATH, AND LEARNERS

ARE APT TO COMMIT MISTAKES. AT LEAST I RESOLVE NOT TO MENTION MEHER

BABA UNLESS ASKED FOR)

>

> Since these messages in the club affect my peace of mind, I thought

> it is better for me to withdraw. Not that I have been an active

> member. I rarely post. Now you won't hear from me again. I am not

> under any illusion that you will miss me.

> ( WE SHALL MISS YOU)

> I would like to thank the founders of the club tatwamasi, silent

> soul, erica and svcs for their support and encouragement. I wish

the

> club well.

>

> Fare Well,( RESIGNATION NOT ACCEPTED) (

>

> Sankar

[Guest guest]

I, for one, am quite upset by Sankar's leaving. I feel that I have

learnt a lot from him, and feel that his presence here was always a

positive thing, even when he was quiet.

 

This turn of events upsets me, to say the least. I am glad to see

people posting, but I also feel that some of it has gotten to a

personal level and splitting hairs. I don't want to discourage anyone

from posting when they have something of their own to say. Daily

quotes, stories, sayings, and references are wonderful additions to

our daily practice, but I fear that they have been our main source of

knowledge as of late.

 

We can learn many things from experienced and learned folks (like

Sankar) right here in our club.

 

I don't think the purpose of this group was ever to knock someone

else's guru or way of thinking. We all should keep an open mind, but

that goes for *all* people.

 

Let's expand our group and take more beautiful steps together before

we lose (in more ways than one) more. There are enough people in the

world that don't take us seriously and think we are way off the mark

on so many things. Let's stand together.

 

With love and light,

Erica

[Guest guest]

Dear Erica,

 

I agree with you, that this is a learning forum. And how do we

learn? We learn through meditation, through interacting with others,

through living life. Each one must have his own path and I do think

that this should be respected.

 

Having posted for a number of years in various "alt" groups on

Usenet, I can tell you that posting in here and reading in here is

like a beautiful breath of fresh air. I find a lot of love and

caring and heart work. Sadly, I did not see much at all of this in

the "alt" groups I used to post in. There was a LOT of verbal abuse

and a lot of negativity and projection and behavior that bordered on

the bi-polar end, in my opinion.

 

I agree about the necessity to have an "open mind". Once I heard

someone tell a story, and it was this:

 

The mind is like a parachute, if it doesn't open, it doesn't work.

 

:-)

 

Take care and love to all, and a special hug to Sankar if he is

listening.

 

Blessings,

 

Kathy

 

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, "sugarandbrine" <sugarandbrine> wrote:

> I, for one, am quite upset by Sankar's leaving. I feel that I have

> learnt a lot from him, and feel that his presence here was always a

> positive thing, even when he was quiet.

>

> This turn of events upsets me, to say the least. I am glad to see

> people posting, but I also feel that some of it has gotten to a

> personal level and splitting hairs. I don't want to discourage

anyone

> from posting when they have something of their own to say. Daily

> quotes, stories, sayings, and references are wonderful additions to

> our daily practice, but I fear that they have been our main source

of

> knowledge as of late.

>

> We can learn many things from experienced and learned folks (like

> Sankar) right here in our club.

>

> I don't think the purpose of this group was ever to knock someone

> else's guru or way of thinking. We all should keep an open mind,

but

> that goes for *all* people.

>

> Let's expand our group and take more beautiful steps together

before

> we lose (in more ways than one) more. There are enough people in

the

> world that don't take us seriously and think we are way off the

mark

> on so many things. Let's stand together.

>

> With love and light,

> Erica

[Guest guest]

Sankar,

 

I do not know if you are reading this. Nonetheless I wish to tell you

that I am totally shocked by this sudden decision of yours.

 

I have personally learnt a lot from your messages. This club is for

sharing whatever we have learnt / learning on the quest of

spirituality with the other fellow sadhakas, as we also learn along

with them through their experiences.

Just like how all the fingers are not alike, yet belong to the same

hand, so too all of us are not alike, yet we all belong to the same

family of sadhakas, who are on the same road (though may be at

different levels) to Liberation.

 

We all have different kinds of Gurus that suit our varied

temperaments. What is right for one may not be right for the other,

and what is wrong for one may not be wrong for the other, for right

and wrong only reflect our temperaments. But that doesn't mean we

derogate each other and establish our conviction alone to be real

over the other's convictions. It may help if one is watchful over

what one posts, and see to it that they post general teachings of

their Gurus and take care in refraining from posting messages that

may be controversial.

 

We are all here for learning, and your messages have been very

valuable. Hope you come back and continue to shower your knowledge on

us

 

Hari Aum !!!