Who is Meher baba

[Guest guest]

Dear Saadhks,

A few days ago I dared to post a few msgs, sayings about Meher

Baba. Then it ensued a discussion about Avatar and about male/female

bodies. When our beloved Sankara left us,I gave a final post in which

the superficiality of sexes of gross body was pointed out and I

declared that I shall not post anything about Meher Baba untill asked

for. In an other group I mentioned about Meher Baba and posted His

Universal Message (The same has been posted in this group too). There

I was commanded to illucidate over two points, 1.Who is Meher Baba

2.How I come to beleive He is the Avatar of the age. Obiedently I

posted my reply in two parts. Due to my own attachment to this group

and to a few of its members, I am posting my full narrative,defying

my resolution for not to post about Him. Any one who really reads it

may kindly excuse me for breaking of my promise. the msgs is long,

and goes as follows:-

"Who is Meher Baba"

 

Dear Friends

You demanded me to tell two things about Meher Baba. One, who

is he? and second, how I got a conviction about him being the same

Ancient One?

In attempt to answer the question as to "Who is Meher Baba",

I have recently posted a long HIGHEST OF THE HIGH massage. I presume

that by now you might have visited the sited I pointed, read the

Highest of High msg. As regards Meher Baba's biography (though He

kept reminding, ("I am not this body") the salient features are as

follows

1 Name-----Meher Shahariyar Irani (1985-1969)., born in Pune

(Maharastra-India);

2 Five Perfect Masters who lived at that period had recognized

him to be an Avatar (God-Incarnate, like Christ, Zoroaster, Budha,

Muhammad)

3 He started observing Silence from 1925 and did not break it

till he dropped his body in 1969

4 He dictated (either by hand gestures or through an alphabet

board) a few books, "God Speaks" being a landmark to the philosophers

and thinkers of his age.

5 He started many schools for boys/girls, fed poor, traveled

about 70,000 kilometers contacting about 30.00 Masts (God-Conscious

Souls, who are generally unaware of their physical consciousness and

considered insane/mad)

6 He established retreats for lepers, washed them, fed them

with his own hands.

7 He established many spiritual centers.

8 He dissolved/ defunct all institutions, not allowed any

single temple/shrine to be established in future except his grave

(Samadhi) and the land attached to it. However, compassionate

yielding to his disciples (whom he liked to call as "lovers") love he

did allow the centers, which were established by then (in India,

America and Australia) to be kept as such.

9 To sum up, his whole life was transparent, noble and humane

without a speck or stigma. As ordinary human being he set standards

of high moral, material detachment love and compassion.

I think this much preliminary information is sufficient. You can find

more about him over those sites I mentioned.

Now the second part "How I got a conviction about him being the same

Ancient One?" it is interesting to note that I did not see him

physically, nor had any information about him till 1999. I was born

in a orthodox Hindu family. My father was a lawyer. As a boy, I was

extrovert fun loving kid loved by all because I had a good singing

voice. By virtue of my sweet voice, I was very often called upon to

recite scared prayers, hymns, Mantras, Geeta Slokas. Since I had my

primary and school education in Christian convents, both Catholic and

Church of England sponsored institution, my singing and

extracurricular activities flowed freely in carol singing and other

festivities of Christmas. Though I did not understand the esoteric

meaning of these things, yet I felt happy to do it. Later it became a

daily ritual for me.

First feeling of divine taking care of me dawned in 1984.

First feeling of divine taking care of myself dawned upon me in 1984.

I was fond of books and used to sit long hours in libraries reading

anything and everything what attracted me. I still remember the face

of the old man, the librarian, who one day forcibly produced me

before a very well known scholar who was present there by chance (To

take care of the Ph.D/M.Phill/D.Lit students under his guidance).

Producing me before the Professor, the librarian said, " Doctor BS,

this young man is a voracious reader; but does not stick to any

single discipline of study. I f he goes on only reading and reading

aimlessly I fear he would get lost in the ocean of theories and might

even go insane. Kindly talk to him and guide him."

I was taken aback seeing Dr. BSU. I had known his name, had read his

books. He was internationally acclaimed authority on Kalidasa (a

Sanskrit poet who lived around 2 B.C), a visiting professor in Oxford

University. For Indology. He had just finished his term as Vice-

Chancellor in an Indian University, and was appointed Indian High

Commissioner to Maurisus. Thus he was keen to see that the students

under him finish their work.

To tell you truth, I felt so tiny before the old professor that I

could not speak anything. While the old librarian had gone leaving us

alone, the professor gently started the conversation by firing

question like, "What is your name young friend? What do you do for a

living? What subjects you like? What are you reading at present?"

etc. I answered to all. When he learnt that I am a Science Student, a

post Graduate, yet I read humanities, economics, history, and

linguistics and was presently reading to prepare an article on "The

Ancient Indian Culture In The Province Of Gutam Budha

I told the professor about what I read ("The Ancient Indian Culture

In The Province Of Gutam Budha"). Then he asked me to prepare for a

Ph.D. thesis for the award of degree to me. I told him that since I

had been through out my career a student of science and never had

history as my subject, I could possibly be found not legible to

submit a thesis for Ph.D. After this the professor began evaluate the

dept of my knowledge of history. At least he happily told me that I

could be enrolled as a Ph.D. scholar on the basis of his

recommendations. I was amazed. For I knew that in academic field the

universities honor the recommendation of a world-class authority on

the subject So, I got an aim for reading. Same day while reflecting

about my past I discovered two yet amazing incidences of my past. I

shall try to draw a pictorial narration so that appropriate affects

on my psyche are evaluated.

First; I had to join new class. My age was barely 12.The new class

was preparatory to High School (we call it 9th stander here). My

friends and myself were excited. There were only 3 options with us,

viz. choose either group A (arts, humanities), or C (commerce), or S

(science). I was eligible to choose any one of them. We were sitting

under a Mango tree chatting the pros and cons. I told my friends that

I would join S, because it is the only subject which require a

laboratory to study the subject. This laboratory facility was only

available while we are in school. Other subjects don't need a Lab to

study them. I shall study science in my student career and other

subjects at my leisure in life later. This resolution came

spontaneously to my mind. I had often tried to know as to why this

occurred to me but always found the Will of Divine behind this.

Second; after completion of my studies when I was serving the

Government and had access to rich libraries One day sitting relaxed

under a Mango tree, I resolved for studying methodically the subjects

one by one. I gave myself one year for each subject. Literature and

Linguistic was the first, Economics second, then Geography,

Philosophy, Astronomy chronologically, History being the last one.

When I met the professor BSU, it was my last phase of personal

studies curriculum. I had always been a mediocre student; how could I

complete all this, along with discharging my official duties? Here

again I could only for think of the Grace Divine.

Thus my first feeling of divine taking care of me dawned in 1984.

My personal pursuit for spirituality was going on, though

mechanically yet consciously. Since childhood I had special

inclination to Lord Shiva, later Mother Goddess Durga became my

object of daily routine meditation and prayers. I tried to observe

every orthodox Puja (worship) and Path (chanting) with devotion. Even

then I did not call myself a spiritual seeker, but a worldly person.

I had studied Marks and Angel and was very careful to put all my

inner feelings and realizations under strict scrutiny and tried to

differentiate between paranormal phenomenons of autosuggestion/

hallucinations and suprarenal/metaphysical experiences. Thus when I

say that First feeling of divine taking care of me dawned in 1984 I

mean real Divinity. Things went on and so my daily orthodox and

ritualistic practice of chanting/prayer. I, however, could not

complete

His innocent good will comment pierced deep into my heart In a flash

my doctorate thesis because Dr. BSU passed away soon after the

synopsis got approved by university of Chandigarh (Punjab), and my

new guide refused to carry on with me for I did not have a M.A.

(History) degree. Afterwards I did M.A. (History) from Garhwal

University, but just for self-satisfaction.

Final surrender

In the year 1998, I first heard about Meher Baba from one of my

friends who wanted me to lend him my backpack for his pilgrimage to

Meherabad. I had neither heard of the Meher Baba or this strange

place Meherabad. Later same friend gave me some pamphlets and other

details. By going through a cursory reading I thought no harm in

attending one or two functions commemorating Meher Baba's visit to

Lucknow in 1952 About Meher Baba, two aspects drew my attention. One

was his "Silence" and the other was his one and only message

to "Love" God. For me both "Love" and "Silence" had esoteric meaning.

I began try to understand them.

In the November 1999, I visited a remote village in the district

Hamirpur (UP-India) accompanying my same Baba lover friend. This

place, he informed me, was declared by Baba to be his heart. Thus

chance carried me to what is called Baba's Heart. No sooner I reached

this place, I knew that the place was of utmost historical importance

and needs thorough study, exploration and excavation. I said to

myself, "O! This is a better topic for historical thesis than my

previous one"

Only after a few hours of my arrival there I was introduced to an

elderly person (Dr.GSNM), who had seen, met and lived with Baba, and

was declared an esteemed orator and interpreter of Baba's messages.

My question to him was "What is meant by Silence?" To this he replied

smilingly, "Even if you can't love Baba, live Baba"… the words

stunned me. Till now I had been either trying to understand the

phenomenal world or praying to havens (I know not what for). Dr.GSNM

kept on saying," I have written a book dealing with esoteric and

spiritual aspects of Silence… named….".

I was lost somewhere within myself. I became suddenly aware that we

were sitting on the ground under a Mango tree once again. A mango

tree became a mental note for me. Why I am here? Why and how could I

read various subjects finally culminating on History? Am I here at

this remote, yet archaeologically significant spot by chance?

An illuminative realization came to me. Nothing had happened by

chance. Since my childhood I was being taken care of the Divine to be

instrumental for it's own mysterious purpose. I must now

start "Living" a life. Mere prayers to Shiva, Durga are not enough.

They are just tools for being bestowed with the knowledge of self;

and living it truthfully, honestly in the creation for the creation

is the Grace answering the aspiration within.

Real tale of my final surrender to Meher Baba starts from this point.

After my returned to home town, I found the book "The Wonders Of

Silence" by Dr.GSN. The explanation of Silence was given in reference

to Meher Baba's Silence. Every seeker knows its glory and importance,

therefore. There is nothing for me to explain it. In Geeta (ch.15-1)

it is well said by Lord Krishna Himself "Amongst the secrets I am the

Silence". The point worth mention is that I got an inner call to

translate the book in Hindi, so that it may be available to Hindi

speaking Baba lovers. During translating the book I clearly felt the

help and presence of the Divine. I don't wish to name them miracles,

yet they were from an ordinary standpoint. I feel happy and it does

not matter to me whether Meher Baba is an Avatar/God-Man or not. If

Shiva is God, Durga is God, Lord Krishna, Lord R Rama is God and

if "The Divine is always seated in your heart, consciously living in

you"(Sri Aurobindo) is true, if "Look into depth of your heart and

you will see there the Divine Presence"(Emerson) is true then not

only Meher Baba, but each and every one of us is God.

We Indians often greet the others by Hailing (Jai) Ram. Now to me, it

is addressing Lord Ram dwelling in that person. Thus I hail Meher

Baba. God is not a "body" but an Entity, The Absolute, The Ancient

One.

Since I recognize the human form was Meher Baba inductive to my final

surrender I feel happy to say Jai Meher Baba to one and all.

With love,

In His Service

Satish

[Guest guest]

Dear Satish,

 

Just want you to know that I received a really nice catalog and

sample copy of "Love Street Lamp Post" magazine from the Avatar Meher

Baba Center of Southern California, l2l4 So. VanNess Ave., Los

Angeles, CA 900l9-3520 and I felt inspired to order a number of

books and items from this center.

 

Although in the past I had *heard* of Meher Baba, I really didn't

know much about him. So this catalog and magazine gave me pictures

of him and also the information that he was awakened to his Godhood

through a kiss from lady sufi master Hazrat Babajan. I also found

out that he spent many many many years in Silence and not speaking

any words.

 

I wonder if the word "avatar" was used by him as per his upbringing

(Persian?). I noticed in reading more the other day in the website

of Karunamayi (www.karunamayi.org), the section entitled "Latest

News", one of the devotees referring to Karunamayi as an avatar, if I

read her account correctly (it is about her personal experience with

Karunamayi as she went to see Her along with a friend). I could

relate to a LOT of what she said and how she felt (she mentioned she

felt like it must have been to be seeing Jesus during the time He

lived).

 

I recommend that account (I think it is titled something like "a

spiritually uplifting experience" as well as THE POWER OF WOMEN, a

discourse by Sri Karunamayi that is also contained on there.

 

Many thanks and blessings,

 

Kathy

 

Here is a quote by Meher Baba:

 

"To love God as He ought to be loved, you must live for God and die

for God, knowing that the goal of all life is to love God, and find

Him as your own Self." --Meher Baba

-- In , safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> Dear Saadhks,

> A few days ago I dared to post a few msgs, sayings about Meher

> Baba. Then it ensued a discussion about Avatar and about

male/female

> bodies. When our beloved Sankara left us,I gave a final post in

which

> the superficiality of sexes of gross body was pointed out and I

> declared that I shall not post anything about Meher Baba untill

asked

> for. In an other group I mentioned about Meher Baba and posted His

> Universal Message (The same has been posted in this group too).

There

> I was commanded to illucidate over two points, 1.Who is Meher Baba

> 2.How I come to beleive He is the Avatar of the age. Obiedently I

> posted my reply in two parts. Due to my own attachment to this

group

> and to a few of its members, I am posting my full narrative,defying

> my resolution for not to post about Him. Any one who really reads

it

> may kindly excuse me for breaking of my promise. the msgs is long,

> and goes as follows:-

> "Who is Meher Baba"

>

> Dear Friends

> You demanded me to tell two things about Meher Baba. One, who

> is he? and second, how I got a conviction about him being the same

> Ancient One?

> In attempt to answer the question as to "Who is Meher Baba",

> I have recently posted a long HIGHEST OF THE HIGH massage. I

presume

> that by now you might have visited the sited I pointed, read the

> Highest of High msg. As regards Meher Baba's biography (though He

> kept reminding, ("I am not this body") the salient features are as

> follows

> 1 Name-----Meher Shahariyar Irani (1985-1969)., born in Pune

> (Maharastra-India);

> 2 Five Perfect Masters who lived at that period had recognized

> him to be an Avatar (God-Incarnate, like Christ, Zoroaster, Budha,

> Muhammad)

> 3 He started observing Silence from 1925 and did not break it

> till he dropped his body in 1969

> 4 He dictated (either by hand gestures or through an alphabet

> board) a few books, "God Speaks" being a landmark to the

philosophers

> and thinkers of his age.

> 5 He started many schools for boys/girls, fed poor, traveled

> about 70,000 kilometers contacting about 30.00 Masts (God-Conscious

> Souls, who are generally unaware of their physical consciousness

and

> considered insane/mad)

> 6 He established retreats for lepers, washed them, fed them

> with his own hands.

> 7 He established many spiritual centers.

> 8 He dissolved/ defunct all institutions, not allowed any

> single temple/shrine to be established in future except his grave

> (Samadhi) and the land attached to it. However, compassionate

> yielding to his disciples (whom he liked to call as "lovers") love

he

> did allow the centers, which were established by then (in India,

> America and Australia) to be kept as such.

> 9 To sum up, his whole life was transparent, noble and humane

> without a speck or stigma. As ordinary human being he set standards

> of high moral, material detachment love and compassion.

> I think this much preliminary information is sufficient. You can

find

> more about him over those sites I mentioned.

> Now the second part "How I got a conviction about him being the

same

> Ancient One?" it is interesting to note that I did not see him

> physically, nor had any information about him till 1999. I was born

> in a orthodox Hindu family. My father was a lawyer. As a boy, I

was

> extrovert fun loving kid loved by all because I had a good singing

> voice. By virtue of my sweet voice, I was very often called upon to

> recite scared prayers, hymns, Mantras, Geeta Slokas. Since I had my

> primary and school education in Christian convents, both Catholic

and

> Church of England sponsored institution, my singing and

> extracurricular activities flowed freely in carol singing and other

> festivities of Christmas. Though I did not understand the esoteric

> meaning of these things, yet I felt happy to do it. Later it became

a

> daily ritual for me.

> First feeling of divine taking care of me dawned in 1984.

> First feeling of divine taking care of myself dawned upon me in

1984.

> I was fond of books and used to sit long hours in libraries reading

> anything and everything what attracted me. I still remember the

face

> of the old man, the librarian, who one day forcibly produced me

> before a very well known scholar who was present there by chance

(To

> take care of the Ph.D/M.Phill/D.Lit students under his guidance).

> Producing me before the Professor, the librarian said, " Doctor BS,

> this young man is a voracious reader; but does not stick to any

> single discipline of study. I f he goes on only reading and reading

> aimlessly I fear he would get lost in the ocean of theories and

might

> even go insane. Kindly talk to him and guide him."

> I was taken aback seeing Dr. BSU. I had known his name, had read

his

> books. He was internationally acclaimed authority on Kalidasa (a

> Sanskrit poet who lived around 2 B.C), a visiting professor in

Oxford

> University. For Indology. He had just finished his term as Vice-

> Chancellor in an Indian University, and was appointed Indian High

> Commissioner to Maurisus. Thus he was keen to see that the students

> under him finish their work.

> To tell you truth, I felt so tiny before the old professor that I

> could not speak anything. While the old librarian had gone leaving

us

> alone, the professor gently started the conversation by firing

> question like, "What is your name young friend? What do you do for

a

> living? What subjects you like? What are you reading at present?"

> etc. I answered to all. When he learnt that I am a Science Student,

a

> post Graduate, yet I read humanities, economics, history, and

> linguistics and was presently reading to prepare an article on "The

> Ancient Indian Culture In The Province Of Gutam Budha

> I told the professor about what I read ("The Ancient Indian Culture

> In The Province Of Gutam Budha"). Then he asked me to prepare for a

> Ph.D. thesis for the award of degree to me. I told him that since I

> had been through out my career a student of science and never had

> history as my subject, I could possibly be found not legible to

> submit a thesis for Ph.D. After this the professor began evaluate

the

> dept of my knowledge of history. At least he happily told me that I

> could be enrolled as a Ph.D. scholar on the basis of his

> recommendations. I was amazed. For I knew that in academic field

the

> universities honor the recommendation of a world-class authority on

> the subject So, I got an aim for reading. Same day while reflecting

> about my past I discovered two yet amazing incidences of my past. I

> shall try to draw a pictorial narration so that appropriate affects

> on my psyche are evaluated.

> First; I had to join new class. My age was barely 12.The new class

> was preparatory to High School (we call it 9th stander here). My

> friends and myself were excited. There were only 3 options with us,

> viz. choose either group A (arts, humanities), or C (commerce), or

S

> (science). I was eligible to choose any one of them. We were

sitting

> under a Mango tree chatting the pros and cons. I told my friends

that

> I would join S, because it is the only subject which require a

> laboratory to study the subject. This laboratory facility was only

> available while we are in school. Other subjects don't need a Lab

to

> study them. I shall study science in my student career and other

> subjects at my leisure in life later. This resolution came

> spontaneously to my mind. I had often tried to know as to why this

> occurred to me but always found the Will of Divine behind this.

> Second; after completion of my studies when I was serving the

> Government and had access to rich libraries One day sitting relaxed

> under a Mango tree, I resolved for studying methodically the

subjects

> one by one. I gave myself one year for each subject. Literature and

> Linguistic was the first, Economics second, then Geography,

> Philosophy, Astronomy chronologically, History being the last one.

> When I met the professor BSU, it was my last phase of personal

> studies curriculum. I had always been a mediocre student; how could

I

> complete all this, along with discharging my official duties? Here

> again I could only for think of the Grace Divine.

> Thus my first feeling of divine taking care of me dawned in 1984.

> My personal pursuit for spirituality was going on, though

> mechanically yet consciously. Since childhood I had special

> inclination to Lord Shiva, later Mother Goddess Durga became my

> object of daily routine meditation and prayers. I tried to observe

> every orthodox Puja (worship) and Path (chanting) with devotion.

Even

> then I did not call myself a spiritual seeker, but a worldly

person.

> I had studied Marks and Angel and was very careful to put all my

> inner feelings and realizations under strict scrutiny and tried to

> differentiate between paranormal phenomenons of autosuggestion/

> hallucinations and suprarenal/metaphysical experiences. Thus when I

> say that First feeling of divine taking care of me dawned in 1984 I

> mean real Divinity. Things went on and so my daily orthodox and

> ritualistic practice of chanting/prayer. I, however, could not

> complete

> His innocent good will comment pierced deep into my heart In a

flash

> my doctorate thesis because Dr. BSU passed away soon after the

> synopsis got approved by university of Chandigarh (Punjab), and my

> new guide refused to carry on with me for I did not have a M.A.

> (History) degree. Afterwards I did M.A. (History) from Garhwal

> University, but just for self-satisfaction.

> Final surrender

> In the year 1998, I first heard about Meher Baba from one of my

> friends who wanted me to lend him my backpack for his pilgrimage to

> Meherabad. I had neither heard of the Meher Baba or this strange

> place Meherabad. Later same friend gave me some pamphlets and other

> details. By going through a cursory reading I thought no harm in

> attending one or two functions commemorating Meher Baba's visit to

> Lucknow in 1952 About Meher Baba, two aspects drew my attention.

One

> was his "Silence" and the other was his one and only message

> to "Love" God. For me both "Love" and "Silence" had esoteric

meaning.

> I began try to understand them.

> In the November 1999, I visited a remote village in the district

> Hamirpur (UP-India) accompanying my same Baba lover friend. This

> place, he informed me, was declared by Baba to be his heart. Thus

> chance carried me to what is called Baba's Heart. No sooner I

reached

> this place, I knew that the place was of utmost historical

importance

> and needs thorough study, exploration and excavation. I said to

> myself, "O! This is a better topic for historical thesis than my

> previous one"

> Only after a few hours of my arrival there I was introduced to an

> elderly person (Dr.GSNM), who had seen, met and lived with Baba,

and

> was declared an esteemed orator and interpreter of Baba's messages.

> My question to him was "What is meant by Silence?" To this he

replied

> smilingly, "Even if you can't love Baba, live Baba"… the words

> stunned me. Till now I had been either trying to understand the

> phenomenal world or praying to havens (I know not what for).

Dr.GSNM

> kept on saying," I have written a book dealing with esoteric and

> spiritual aspects of Silence… named….".

> I was lost somewhere within myself. I became suddenly aware that we

> were sitting on the ground under a Mango tree once again. A mango

> tree became a mental note for me. Why I am here? Why and how could

I

> read various subjects finally culminating on History? Am I here at

> this remote, yet archaeologically significant spot by chance?

> An illuminative realization came to me. Nothing had happened by

> chance. Since my childhood I was being taken care of the Divine to

be

> instrumental for it's own mysterious purpose. I must now

> start "Living" a life. Mere prayers to Shiva, Durga are not enough.

> They are just tools for being bestowed with the knowledge of self;

> and living it truthfully, honestly in the creation for the creation

> is the Grace answering the aspiration within.

> Real tale of my final surrender to Meher Baba starts from this

point.

> After my returned to home town, I found the book "The Wonders Of

> Silence" by Dr.GSN. The explanation of Silence was given in

reference

> to Meher Baba's Silence. Every seeker knows its glory and

importance,

> therefore. There is nothing for me to explain it. In Geeta (ch.15-

1)

> it is well said by Lord Krishna Himself "Amongst the secrets I am

the

> Silence". The point worth mention is that I got an inner call to

> translate the book in Hindi, so that it may be available to Hindi

> speaking Baba lovers. During translating the book I clearly felt

the

> help and presence of the Divine. I don't wish to name them

miracles,

> yet they were from an ordinary standpoint. I feel happy and it does

> not matter to me whether Meher Baba is an Avatar/God-Man or not. If

> Shiva is God, Durga is God, Lord Krishna, Lord R Rama is God and

> if "The Divine is always seated in your heart, consciously living

in

> you"(Sri Aurobindo) is true, if "Look into depth of your heart and

> you will see there the Divine Presence"(Emerson) is true then not

> only Meher Baba, but each and every one of us is God.

> We Indians often greet the others by Hailing (Jai) Ram. Now to me,

it

> is addressing Lord Ram dwelling in that person. Thus I hail Meher

> Baba. God is not a "body" but an Entity, The Absolute, The Ancient

> One.

> Since I recognize the human form was Meher Baba inductive to my

final

> surrender I feel happy to say Jai Meher Baba to one and all.

> With love,

> In His Service

> Satish