Avatar = Rassoul , info on Rassoul: Hazrat Inayat Khan

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Dear Friends,

 

With Satish posting material on/about Meher Baba, my interest was

sparked the last week or so. A friend told me there is a website on

Meher Baba: www.avatarmeherbaba.org/

 

In looking over the Glossary that is on there, I found out that

Avatar = Rasool (I assume this is the same as Rasul).

 

The following is taken from lectures given by Hazrat Inayat Khan to

his mureeds, sometime back in l923. At that time they did not have

tape recorders, so the notes were taken down by longhand (or short-

hand). Different people at times heard or wrote down different

words, so there is some question on some of the words, whether they

were heard correctly or not, and a number of footnotes given as per

specific words (for example, respondent maybe being responsive, etc.)

 

Here is some information on "Rasul" as per the great sufi master,

Hazrat Inayat Khan:

 

"According to the Sufi conception there are several degrees

distinguished as different stages of respondence, in other words of

higher initiation, among them five principals: wali, gaus, kutub,

nabi, rassoul. The sign of rassoul being the crescent which

represents a respondent heart. People call them Masters. But they

in reality are pupils, for in the point of fact no one in the world

is a Master save God. Man's greatest privilege is to become a

greater pupil. Therefore none of the great ones have called

themselves Masters, nor have they ever considered themselves to be

so. What they have known in their lives is the privilege of opening

their heart wider and wider, to reflect the light of the Master Who

is God Himself. The progress of these high initiates is in their

respondence, for they never have connected themselves with what they

have expressed. Very often the parents say something to their child

in which there is a voice of God. Very often a kind friend suggests

something to his friend out of his love and sympathy which happens to

be a Message of God. Sometimes a teacher says an inspiring word

which is as a word coming directly from God. Even from an innocent

child a word comes which comes as a warning from God. For all faces

are His faces and from all lips it is His word that comes, whenever

it comes. But those who can respond to Him, they become as His

appointed servants. People call them Chosen Ones. God has chosen

all, for all souls are dear and near to the Creator. But the soul

who is attached to the lips of God as a horn, becomes the herald of

His Message and through his lips what comes is not his words but the

Message itself."

Excerpted from: COMPLETE WORKS OF PIR-O-MURSHID HAZRAT INAYAT

KHAN, Original Texts: Lectures on Sufism l923 II: July-Dec., p. l90-

l9l

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

Kathy

 

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For all practical puroses, since languages have their own

terinological dictum a Rasol= Avatar. What a simple yet revealing

excerpt. Thus it is for us to perceive as to what is coming from God;

a teacher, an ordinary child or our own inner voice

Satish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, celestial_saraswati <no_reply> wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> With Satish posting material on/about Meher Baba, my interest was

> sparked the last week or so. A friend told me there is a website

on

> Meher Baba: www.avatarmeherbaba.org/

>

> In looking over the Glossary that is on there, I found out that

> Avatar = Rasool (I assume this is the same as Rasul).

>

> The following is taken from lectures given by Hazrat Inayat Khan to

> his mureeds, sometime back in l923. At that time they did not have

> tape recorders, so the notes were taken down by longhand (or short-

> hand). Different people at times heard or wrote down different

> words, so there is some question on some of the words, whether they

> were heard correctly or not, and a number of footnotes given as per

> specific words (for example, respondent maybe being responsive,

etc.)

>

> Here is some information on "Rasul" as per the great sufi master,

> Hazrat Inayat Khan:

>

> "According to the Sufi conception there are several degrees

> distinguished as different stages of respondence, in other words of

> higher initiation, among them five principals: wali, gaus, kutub,

> nabi, rassoul. The sign of rassoul being the crescent which

> represents a respondent heart. People call them Masters. But they

> in reality are pupils, for in the point of fact no one in the world

> is a Master save God. Man's greatest privilege is to become a

> greater pupil. Therefore none of the great ones have called

> themselves Masters, nor have they ever considered themselves to be

> so. What they have known in their lives is the privilege of opening

> their heart wider and wider, to reflect the light of the Master Who

> is God Himself. The progress of these high initiates is in their

> respondence, for they never have connected themselves with what

they

> have expressed. Very often the parents say something to their

child

> in which there is a voice of God. Very often a kind friend

suggests

> something to his friend out of his love and sympathy which happens

to

> be a Message of God. Sometimes a teacher says an inspiring word

> which is as a word coming directly from God. Even from an innocent

> child a word comes which comes as a warning from God. For all

faces

> are His faces and from all lips it is His word that comes, whenever

> it comes. But those who can respond to Him, they become as His

> appointed servants. People call them Chosen Ones. God has chosen

> all, for all souls are dear and near to the Creator. But the soul

> who is attached to the lips of God as a horn, becomes the herald of

> His Message and through his lips what comes is not his words but

the

> Message itself."

> Excerpted from: COMPLETE WORKS OF PIR-O-MURSHID HAZRAT INAYAT

> KHAN, Original Texts: Lectures on Sufism l923 II: July-Dec., p. l90-

> l9l

>

>

>

> Blessings,

>

> Kathy

>

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Dear Satish,

 

Yes, words can vary in their spelling. Is not Saraswati also spelled

Sarasvati? I can only *assume* that Rasul = Rasoool, as per the

definition contained in the GLOSSARY given by Frank Davis, found at:

http://www.avatarmeherbaba.org/erics/gloss.html

 

In the Glossary, it defines "Avatar in the following way:

 

Avatar (also Avatar): The Christ, the Savior, the Ancient One. -

Vedanta. Sufi: Rasoool, Saheb-e-Zaman. (reference, GOD SPEAKS)

 

(also, Avatarhood, Avatari). The total manifestation of God in human

form on earth, as the Eternal Living Perfect Master, the direct

descent of Reality into Illusion, the Savior, the Highest of the

High, the Ancient One. Also called God-Man, the Messiah, the Buddha,

the Christ, the Rasool - Vedanta. Sufi: Saheb-e-Zaman. (as

referenced in DISCOURSES).

 

God-man; the total manifestation of God in human form. The Avatar

awakens contemporary humanity to a realization of its true spiritual

nature, gives liberation to those who are ready, and quickens the

life of the spirit in His time. (reference: THE BELOVED, The Life and

Works of Meher Baba)

 

....the descent of God into human form; adj. Avataric (referenced in

THE MASTERY OF CONSCIOUSNESS, Allan Y. Cohen)

 

Literally, "descent of God", the term refers to the appearance of God

in human form which constitutes The Advent (reference in (HOW A

MASTER WORKS, Murshida Evy Oneita Duce and MEHERA by Mehera J. Irani)

 

The God-Man, Messiah, Christ - Sanskrit. (HOW A MASTER WORKS, Duce)

 

The God-Man, The Christ, the descent of God as man on earth to make

His being and His attributes more tangible to mankind. (THE ANCIENT

ONE, A DISCIPLE'S MEMOIRS OF MEHER BABA, Naosherwan Anzar) and

PRACTICAL SPIRITUALITY WITH MEHER BABA by John Grant)

 

the: Incarnation of God, the Infinite (finite, see THE TURNING OF

THE KEY, Meher Baba in Australia, by Bill LePage) human form. The

God-Man, Messiah, Christ, Rasool, Saheb-e-Zaman. (reference: OUR

CONSTANT COMPANION by Bal Natu)

 

the: "God-become-man." The incarnation of God, the infinite, in a

finite human form (reference GLIMPSES OF THE GODMAN, Meher Baba, Vol

4 February-December l953) by Bal Natu)

 

 

Note: in the above glossary, the reference to various authors/books

is given with abbreviated letters, I added the "key" to finding the

reference book/source/author, title of book, etc.

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

Kathy

 

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, safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> For all practical puroses, since languages have their own

> terinological dictum a Rasol= Avatar. What a simple yet revealing

> excerpt. Thus it is for us to perceive as to what is coming from

God;

> a teacher, an ordinary child or our own inner voice

> Satish

>

>

>

>

>

, celestial_saraswati <no_reply> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > With Satish posting material on/about Meher Baba, my interest was

> > sparked the last week or so. A friend told me there is a website

> on

> > Meher Baba: www.avatarmeherbaba.org/

> >

> > In looking over the Glossary that is on there, I found out that

> > Avatar = Rasool (I assume this is the same as Rasul).

> >

> > The following is taken from lectures given by Hazrat Inayat Khan

to

> > his mureeds, sometime back in l923. At that time they did not

have

> > tape recorders, so the notes were taken down by longhand (or

short-

> > hand). Different people at times heard or wrote down different

> > words, so there is some question on some of the words, whether

they

> > were heard correctly or not, and a number of footnotes given as

per

> > specific words (for example, respondent maybe being responsive,

> etc.)

> >

> > Here is some information on "Rasul" as per the great sufi master,

> > Hazrat Inayat Khan:

> >

> > "According to the Sufi conception there are several degrees

> > distinguished as different stages of respondence, in other words

of

> > higher initiation, among them five principals: wali, gaus,

kutub,

> > nabi, rassoul. The sign of rassoul being the crescent which

> > represents a respondent heart. People call them Masters. But

they

> > in reality are pupils, for in the point of fact no one in the

world

> > is a Master save God. Man's greatest privilege is to become a

> > greater pupil. Therefore none of the great ones have called

> > themselves Masters, nor have they ever considered themselves to

be

> > so. What they have known in their lives is the privilege of

opening

> > their heart wider and wider, to reflect the light of the Master

Who

> > is God Himself. The progress of these high initiates is in their

> > respondence, for they never have connected themselves with what

> they

> > have expressed. Very often the parents say something to their

> child

> > in which there is a voice of God. Very often a kind friend

> suggests

> > something to his friend out of his love and sympathy which

happens

> to

> > be a Message of God. Sometimes a teacher says an inspiring word

> > which is as a word coming directly from God. Even from an

innocent

> > child a word comes which comes as a warning from God. For all

> faces

> > are His faces and from all lips it is His word that comes,

whenever

> > it comes. But those who can respond to Him, they become as His

> > appointed servants. People call them Chosen Ones. God has

chosen

> > all, for all souls are dear and near to the Creator. But the

soul

> > who is attached to the lips of God as a horn, becomes the herald

of

> > His Message and through his lips what comes is not his words but

> the

> > Message itself."

> > Excerpted from: COMPLETE WORKS OF PIR-O-MURSHID HAZRAT

INAYAT

> > KHAN, Original Texts: Lectures on Sufism l923 II: July-Dec., p.

l90-

> > l9l

> >

> >

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

> > Kathy

> >

> > @}-->---

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I am in total agrement with Kathy's search for yhe word "avatar". In

the same context I suggest to seach for the words "God-man" and "Man-

God", very frequently used by Meher Baba. A note is to be made that

the words(specialy spiritual glossary) have been used in scriptures

to convey varied, sometimes different, meanings. Good example is the

word "Bramh" and "Ishwar". These convery altohether different meaning

in Vedanta, Samkhya and Kashmir Shavism. After all we use the words,

and sometimes the meaning may differ from its usage. Consider the

quizical world LOVE,

Love,

Satish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, celestial_saraswati <no_reply> wrote:

>

> Dear Satish,

>

> Yes, words can vary in their spelling. Is not Saraswati also

spelled

> Sarasvati? I can only *assume* that Rasul = Rasoool, as per the

> definition contained in the GLOSSARY given by Frank Davis, found

at:

> http://www.avatarmeherbaba.org/erics/gloss.html

>

> In the Glossary, it defines "Avatar in the following way:

>

> Avatar (also Avatar): The Christ, the Savior, the Ancient One. -

> Vedanta. Sufi: Rasoool, Saheb-e-Zaman. (reference, GOD SPEAKS)

>

> (also, Avatarhood, Avatari). The total manifestation of God in

human

> form on earth, as the Eternal Living Perfect Master, the direct

> descent of Reality into Illusion, the Savior, the Highest of the

> High, the Ancient One. Also called God-Man, the Messiah, the

Buddha,

> the Christ, the Rasool - Vedanta. Sufi: Saheb-e-Zaman. (as

> referenced in DISCOURSES).

>

> God-man; the total manifestation of God in human form. The Avatar

> awakens contemporary humanity to a realization of its true

spiritual

> nature, gives liberation to those who are ready, and quickens the

> life of the spirit in His time. (reference: THE BELOVED, The Life

and

> Works of Meher Baba)

>

> ...the descent of God into human form; adj. Avataric (referenced in

> THE MASTERY OF CONSCIOUSNESS, Allan Y. Cohen)

>

> Literally, "descent of God", the term refers to the appearance of

God

> in human form which constitutes The Advent (reference in (HOW A

> MASTER WORKS, Murshida Evy Oneita Duce and MEHERA by Mehera J.

Irani)

>

> The God-Man, Messiah, Christ - Sanskrit. (HOW A MASTER WORKS, Duce)

>

> The God-Man, The Christ, the descent of God as man on earth to make

> His being and His attributes more tangible to mankind. (THE ANCIENT

> ONE, A DISCIPLE'S MEMOIRS OF MEHER BABA, Naosherwan Anzar) and

> PRACTICAL SPIRITUALITY WITH MEHER BABA by John Grant)

>

> the: Incarnation of God, the Infinite (finite, see THE TURNING OF

> THE KEY, Meher Baba in Australia, by Bill LePage) human form. The

> God-Man, Messiah, Christ, Rasool, Saheb-e-Zaman. (reference: OUR

> CONSTANT COMPANION by Bal Natu)

>

> the: "God-become-man." The incarnation of God, the infinite, in a

> finite human form (reference GLIMPSES OF THE GODMAN, Meher Baba,

Vol

> 4 February-December l953) by Bal Natu)

>

>

> Note: in the above glossary, the reference to various

authors/books

> is given with abbreviated letters, I added the "key" to finding the

> reference book/source/author, title of book, etc.

>

>

>

> Blessings,

>

> Kathy

>

> @]-->---

> , safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> > For all practical puroses, since languages have their own

> > terinological dictum a Rasol= Avatar. What a simple yet revealing

> > excerpt. Thus it is for us to perceive as to what is coming from

> God;

> > a teacher, an ordinary child or our own inner voice

> > Satish

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , celestial_saraswati <no_reply> wrote:

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > With Satish posting material on/about Meher Baba, my interest

was

> > > sparked the last week or so. A friend told me there is a

website

> > on

> > > Meher Baba: www.avatarmeherbaba.org/

> > >

> > > In looking over the Glossary that is on there, I found out that

> > > Avatar = Rasool (I assume this is the same as Rasul).

> > >

> > > The following is taken from lectures given by Hazrat Inayat

Khan

> to

> > > his mureeds, sometime back in l923. At that time they did not

> have

> > > tape recorders, so the notes were taken down by longhand (or

> short-

> > > hand). Different people at times heard or wrote down different

> > > words, so there is some question on some of the words, whether

> they

> > > were heard correctly or not, and a number of footnotes given as

> per

> > > specific words (for example, respondent maybe being responsive,

> > etc.)

> > >

> > > Here is some information on "Rasul" as per the great sufi

master,

> > > Hazrat Inayat Khan:

> > >

> > > "According to the Sufi conception there are several degrees

> > > distinguished as different stages of respondence, in other

words

> of

> > > higher initiation, among them five principals: wali, gaus,

> kutub,

> > > nabi, rassoul. The sign of rassoul being the crescent which

> > > represents a respondent heart. People call them Masters. But

> they

> > > in reality are pupils, for in the point of fact no one in the

> world

> > > is a Master save God. Man's greatest privilege is to become a

> > > greater pupil. Therefore none of the great ones have called

> > > themselves Masters, nor have they ever considered themselves to

> be

> > > so. What they have known in their lives is the privilege of

> opening

> > > their heart wider and wider, to reflect the light of the Master

> Who

> > > is God Himself. The progress of these high initiates is in

their

> > > respondence, for they never have connected themselves with what

> > they

> > > have expressed. Very often the parents say something to their

> > child

> > > in which there is a voice of God. Very often a kind friend

> > suggests

> > > something to his friend out of his love and sympathy which

> happens

> > to

> > > be a Message of God. Sometimes a teacher says an inspiring

word

> > > which is as a word coming directly from God. Even from an

> innocent

> > > child a word comes which comes as a warning from God. For all

> > faces

> > > are His faces and from all lips it is His word that comes,

> whenever

> > > it comes. But those who can respond to Him, they become as His

> > > appointed servants. People call them Chosen Ones. God has

> chosen

> > > all, for all souls are dear and near to the Creator. But the

> soul

> > > who is attached to the lips of God as a horn, becomes the

herald

> of

> > > His Message and through his lips what comes is not his words

but

> > the

> > > Message itself."

> > > Excerpted from: COMPLETE WORKS OF PIR-O-MURSHID HAZRAT

> INAYAT

> > > KHAN, Original Texts: Lectures on Sufism l923 II: July-Dec., p.

> l90-

> > > l9l

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Blessings,

> > >

> > > Kathy

> > >

> > > @}-->---