Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 Jaya Sri Radhey! Namaste dear devotees! Sarvamargashu nashteshu, kaloucha khaladharmini, Pasandaprachura lokae, Krishna eva gatirmama. (1) In this malignant age of Kaliyuga, when all the paths leading to God are obscured, and people are hypocrites, Lord Shri Krshna alone is my eternal refuge. Mlechakranteshu deshashu, papaikanilayashucha, Satpidavyagralokaeshu, Krshna eva gatirmama. (2) When the country is afflicted by the "Melachhas" (non-Hindus) and has become an abode of sinners, the good amongst them suffer a great deal. At such a time, Lord Shri Krshna alone is my eternal refuge. Gangaditirthavaryashu, dushtairavavrutashvih, Tirohitadhidaiveshu, Krishna eva gatirmama. (3) When holy places, such as the Ganges are surrounded by wicked people, and the gods that reside in such places have abandoned them, Lord Shri Krshna alone is my eternal refuge. Ahankaravimudhashu, satsu papanivartishu, Labhapujarthayatneshu, Krishna eva gatirmama. (4) When even the intelligent people are full of pride and are following the path of wickedness, and when all worship of the Gods is done purely for selfish benefit, let Lord Shri Krshna be my only eternal refuge. Aprijayananashtashu, mantrashvavratayogishu, Tirohitarthadaiveshu, Krishna eva gatirmama. (5) When the true knowledge of the Vedas and other scriptures has been forgotten, when, by chanting great mantras we are unable to invoke the Gods of the respective mantras*, at such a time, Lord Shri Krshna is my only eternal refuge. ( * Gods will only answer mantras and prayers when the devotee prays with true devotion, devoid of all hypocrisy, false pride and selfishness. As stated in the shlokas above, this has already occurred amongst the best of us. As a direct result of this, the Gods have abandoned their respective abodes (holy places, temples, rivers, lakes etc.) and mantras. This is all due to the evil effects of the Kali Yuga and how that has affected the minds of all people.) Nanavadavinashtashu, sarvakarmavratadishu, Pashandaika prayatneshu, Krishna eva gatirmama. (6) When sectarian ideas are splitting us apart, when all good and pious karmas are also done with hypocrisy at their heart, let Lord Shri Krshna be my only eternal refuge. Ajamiladhidoshanam, nashakonubhave sthitah, Jyapitakhilamahatmyah, Krishna eva gatirmama. (7) Lord Shri Krshna is kind and benevolent. Out of infinite kindness, He has destroyed a multitude of sins of such evil sinners as Ajamil ! And all this for accidentally reciting His holy name ! Let such great Lord Shri Krshna be my only eternal refuge. Prakrutahsakala deva, ganitanandakam bruhat, Purnanado haristasmat, Krishna eva gatirmama. (8) All lesser deities are embodiment of the prakriti, and are hence limited in their power. Even the greater devas and celestial gods can only bestow limited amount of bliss and happiness. Only the Lord Hari is capable of bestowing infinite bliss. Hence, let Lord Shri Krshna be my only eternal refuge. Vivekadhirayabhatyadi rahitasya vishashatah, Papasaktasya dinasya, Krishna eva gatirmama. (9) My Lord, I am bereft of "vivek", i.e. power of discrimination, and I have no "dhairya" ie patience. I am addicted to sinful actions and am a wretch beyond description. Yet, with a sincere heart I request the Lord Shri Krshna to be my only eternal refuge. Sarvasamarthyasahitah, sarvatraivakhilarthakrut, Sharanasthasamudharam, Krishna eva gatirmama. (10) Lord Krshna, who is omnipotent, omnipresent and saviour of all those who seek His protection, unto that great Lord, I submit this request for my "ashraya" i.e. refuge. Krishnashryamidam stotram, yah pathete Krishnasannidhau, Tasyashrayo bhavet Krishna, ite Shri Vallabhobravit. (11) He who recites this Krshnashraya (prayer seeking refuge of the Lord Shri Krshna) in the presence of the Lord, will be graced with divine protection, so sayeth Shri Vallabhacharya. - Mahaprabhu Sri Vallabhacarya Jaya Sri Radhey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 > Mlechakranteshu deshashu, papaikanilayashucha, > Satpidavyagralokaeshu, Krshna eva gatirmama. (2) > > When the country is afflicted > by the "Melachhas" (non-Hindus) > and has become an abode of sinners, > the good amongst them > suffer a great deal. > At such a time, > Lord Shri Krshna alone > is my eternal refuge. > Dear Ones This para has the seed of being misunderstood. I don't believe the idea is to say "non-hindus" are sinners, (that begins to sound like the fundamentalist Christians here) but refers to those who live in "sin" or ignorance. One needs to be careful, how such terms are presented, because it gives an opportunity to bigots of any kind, to hurt others different from them. Looking forward to more thoughts on this subject. Love and light to all _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 Dear UmaJi, This Songs were composed at the times of Sri Catanya Mahaprabhu, when the Vaisnavas were opressed by the Muslims etc., it has nothing to do with our present days History,the Saint who composed this songs is well revered till today, let us understand the mood of bhakti and not miss understood the translation as you stated so truthfully, Hari bolo! tulsi VALLABHACHARYA lived about found hundred years ago. His parents had their home at a place called Champaranya. His father was Lakshmana Bhatta and his mother Ilamma. They were Telugu Brahmins. For several generations, the family of Lakshmana Bhatta had been performing Soma Yaga, a kind of sacrifice to God. When a family performs a hundred such Yagas, they say God himself takes birth in that family. At the end of the hundredth Soma Yaga, the parents went to Kasi to feed a lakh of Brahmins. On the way Vallabha was born. So every one said that Agni or the Fire- God Himself came to be born as Vallabha. After taking the sacred thread, Vallabha studied the Vedas and Sastras at Kasi for twelve years under a teacher named Madhavendra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 Jaya Sri Radhey! Namaste, Thanks for the concern dear Uma. Sri Vallabhacarya was a great Rasik Saint of Pushti Marga and a contemporary of Gauranga Mahaprabhu. The evil forces are always there oppressing the devotees from time immemorial and Lord Krishna Himself descends to protect them (Bhagavad Gita 4.7 and 8) and sends His nitya siddha (eternally liberated) associates the 'Mahapurusha' to help and guide the sincere seekers. They are beyond material sectarian divisions and religions. Let us all receive spiritual benefit and inspiration from their teachings. Jaya Sri Radhey! , "tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > Mlechakranteshu deshashu, papaikanilayashucha, > > Satpidavyagralokaeshu, Krshna eva gatirmama. (2) > > > > When the country is afflicted > > by the "Melachhas" (non-Hindus) > > and has become an abode of sinners, > > the good amongst them > > suffer a great deal. > > At such a time, > > Lord Shri Krshna alone > > is my eternal refuge. > > > > > Dear Ones > > This para has the seed of being misunderstood. I don't believe the > idea is to say "non-hindus" are sinners, (that begins to sound like > the fundamentalist Christians here) but refers to those who live > in "sin" or ignorance. One needs to be careful, how such terms are > presented, because it gives an opportunity to bigots of any kind, to > hurt others different from them. > > Looking forward to more thoughts on this subject. > > Love and light to all > > _/\_ Tat twam asi > > Uma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 Hi Tulsi/pyari Thanks for the response. As long as Songs are used in the present, they have present day implications. Also these bhakti songs are immortal, they are as relavant today as they were when they were written. The problem is not with those who already know the appropriate meanings and in the right context, but the for the new seekers and readers, who are at the introduction stage of the subject. We have many such readers, and I merely wish to respect their presence among us. Moreover, it needs to be noted, that ill-meaning people have and continue to use it against others, using such texts to support their claims. This wrong, has hurt many a people, and the only way to remove this kind of distorted interpretations, is through education, and learning the essence of such texts. For those who don't know about life in India, broadcasts of Ramayana a few years ago, saw an increase of "abuse" to women using the stories and conditions of Sita's abduction, her trials, Rama's challenges and Rama's ultimate demand of the fire trial to prove her honor. The womens organizations who spend thier lives protecting the interests of village women were enraged at the effects of this presentation, and challenged the broadcast. I love the poems and ppppplease do continue to share the beautiful Bhakti songs; I am merely requesting all to make sure the interpretations are clear and "in the present" to beginners too. I hope the request is taken in the spirit it is intended. Thank you so much _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma > Dear UmaJi, > > This Songs were composed at the times of Sri Catanya Mahaprabhu, > when the Vaisnavas were opressed by the Muslims etc., it has nothing > to do with our present days History,the Saint who composed this songs > is well revered till today, > let us understand the mood of bhakti and not miss understood the > translation as you stated so truthfully, > Hari bolo! > tulsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 In responce to tatwamasi's msg,I am inclined to say that following points must be born in mind before we try to interpret any old (not only concered with Christianity and english, or sanskrit-Hindi and Hinduism but all other Hemetic and Sematic languge family and assosiated religions) scripture. 1.The age (year) of the comosition( text or verse) 2.Linguistic root of the word 3.Reference and context of the sayings and 4.the purose of the text/verse. The piece of verse quoted by Tatwamasi would be good for illustrating the neccesity of the above points. The word "Mlechcha" have been derrived from "mridhavach" meaning "peaking a false language",the former used in arround 2nd century A.D. and the later only after 9th century. In due course (from early 18th cent.)it invaariably meant to mention an Islamic follower. Thus the quotation given above is simply a composition not older than 18th cent.hence must not be taken to contain more depth than it's contemorary society. In the domain of spirituality religions and rituals have no place.All speak of the Same Ancient Once of which we all , knowingly or unknowingly, are instuments.And "instruments" in a musical concert dont querrel but put their hearts out for "harmony" for which KRISHNA teached, preched and acted in about 2000 B.C. Love, Satish , "tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > Mlechakranteshu deshashu, papaikanilayashucha, > > Satpidavyagralokaeshu, Krshna eva gatirmama. (2) > > > > When the country is afflicted > > by the "Melachhas" (non-Hindus) > > and has become an abode of sinners, > > the good amongst them > > suffer a great deal. > > At such a time, > > Lord Shri Krshna alone > > is my eternal refuge. > > > > > Dear Ones > > This para has the seed of being misunderstood. I don't believe the > idea is to say "non-hindus" are sinners, (that begins to sound like > the fundamentalist Christians here) but refers to those who live > in "sin" or ignorance. One needs to be careful, how such terms are > presented, because it gives an opportunity to bigots of any kind, to > hurt others different from them. > > Looking forward to more thoughts on this subject. > > Love and light to all > > _/\_ Tat twam asi > > Uma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 Yes pyari, keep posting the poems with all of your good sense and share-it-all feelings, dont care if you are misunderstood. Your intentions, however, are noble and innoscent. love, Satish , "tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > > Hi Tulsi/pyari > > Thanks for the response. > > As long as Songs are used in the present, they have present day > implications. Also these bhakti songs are immortal, they are as > relavant today as they were when they were written. The problem is > not with those who already know the appropriate meanings and in the > right context, but the for the new seekers and readers, who are at > the introduction stage of the subject. We have many such readers, and > I merely wish to respect their presence among us. > > Moreover, it needs to be noted, that ill-meaning people have and > continue to use it against others, using such texts to support their > claims. This wrong, has hurt many a people, and the only way to > remove this kind of distorted interpretations, is through education, > and learning the essence of such texts. > > For those who don't know about life in India, broadcasts of Ramayana > a few years ago, saw an increase of "abuse" to women using the > stories and conditions of Sita's abduction, her trials, Rama's > challenges and Rama's ultimate demand of the fire trial to prove her > honor. The womens organizations who spend thier lives protecting the > interests of village women were enraged at the effects of this > presentation, and challenged the broadcast. > > I love the poems and ppppplease do continue to share the beautiful > Bhakti songs; I am merely requesting all to make sure the > interpretations are clear and "in the present" to beginners too. > > I hope the request is taken in the spirit it is intended. > > Thank you so much > > _/\_ > > Tat twam asi > > Uma > > > > Dear UmaJi, > > > > This Songs were composed at the times of Sri Catanya Mahaprabhu, > > when the Vaisnavas were opressed by the Muslims etc., it has > nothing > > to do with our present days History,the Saint who composed this > songs > > is well revered till today, > > let us understand the mood of bhakti and not miss understood the > > translation as you stated so truthfully, > > Hari bolo! > > tulsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 Jaya Sri Radhey! Namaste. Thanks dear Satish/Uma for your kind comments. Like to share this prayer of the Sufi Saint Rabi'a with all Divine Lovers. "O My Lord, If I worship Thee for fear of hell, Burn me in hell; if I worship Thee for hope of Paradise, Exclude me thence; but if I worship Thee for Thine Own sake, Withhold NOT from me Thine eternal beauty." The true nature of such a sublime, all-absorbing love, is beautifully brought out by the following anecdote regarding Saint Rabi'a : One day she was asked, "Do you love god?" She UNHESITATINGLY said, "Yes." Again she was asked, "Do you HATE Satan?" Equally unhesitatingly, she replied, "NO, MY LOVE FOR GOD LEAVES NO ROOM FOR HATING SATAN. MY LOVE FOR GOD HAS SO POSSESSED ME THAT NO PLACE REMAINS FOR LOVING OR HATING ANYONE EXCEPT HIM." (An excerpt from the book - "Woman Saints of East and West" published by Sri Ramakrishna Mission) Jaya Sri Radhey! , safar_x <no_reply> wrote: > Yes pyari, keep posting the poems with all of your good sense and > share-it-all feelings, dont care if you are misunderstood. Your > intentions, however, are noble and innoscent. > love, > Satish > > , "tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > > Hi Tulsi/pyari > > > > Thanks for the response. > > > > As long as Songs are used in the present, they have present day > > implications. Also these bhakti songs are immortal, they are as > > relavant today as they were when they were written. The problem is > > not with those who already know the appropriate meanings and in the > > right context, but the for the new seekers and readers, who are at > > the introduction stage of the subject. We have many such readers, > and > > I merely wish to respect their presence among us. > > > > Moreover, it needs to be noted, that ill-meaning people have and > > continue to use it against others, using such texts to support > their > > claims. This wrong, has hurt many a people, and the only way to > > remove this kind of distorted interpretations, is through > education, > > and learning the essence of such texts. > > > > For those who don't know about life in India, broadcasts of > Ramayana > > a few years ago, saw an increase of "abuse" to women using the > > stories and conditions of Sita's abduction, her trials, Rama's > > challenges and Rama's ultimate demand of the fire trial to prove > her > > honor. The womens organizations who spend thier lives protecting > the > > interests of village women were enraged at the effects of this > > presentation, and challenged the broadcast. > > > > I love the poems and ppppplease do continue to share the beautiful > > Bhakti songs; I am merely requesting all to make sure the > > interpretations are clear and "in the present" to beginners too. > > > > I hope the request is taken in the spirit it is intended. > > > > Thank you so much > > > > _/\_ > > > > Tat twam asi > > > > Uma > > > > > > > Dear UmaJi, > > > > > > This Songs were composed at the times of Sri Catanya Mahaprabhu, > > > when the Vaisnavas were opressed by the Muslims etc., it has > > nothing > > > to do with our present days History,the Saint who composed this > > songs > > > is well revered till today, > > > let us understand the mood of bhakti and not miss understood the > > > translation as you stated so truthfully, > > > Hari bolo! > > > tulsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 Dear friends,What a heart touching verse has been posted by pyari_h. Rabia.. is not less than a "sufi-meera". Here is one more verse on the same ethos, but with a slight different touch. Noble laurate rabindra Nath Tagore writes in "Geetanjali" O GOD,KINDLY TAKE AWAY EVRY PART OF MY BEING EXCEPT A TINY PARTICLE BY WHICH I MAY BE ABLE TO POSESS YOU AS MINE. It may be remembered that this is a piece of poetry, not a discourse.Hope you all enjoy the human craving and adoration for Divinity Love Satish , pyari_h <no_reply> wrote: > Jaya Sri Radhey! Namaste. > > Thanks dear Satish/Uma for your kind comments. > > Like to share this prayer of the Sufi Saint Rabi'a with all Divine > Lovers. > > "O My Lord, > If I worship Thee for fear of hell, > Burn me in hell; > if I worship Thee for hope of Paradise, > Exclude me thence; > but if I worship Thee for Thine Own sake, > Withhold NOT from me Thine eternal beauty." > > The true nature of such a sublime, all-absorbing love, is beautifully > brought out by the following anecdote regarding Saint Rabi'a : > > One day she was asked, > "Do you love god?" > > She UNHESITATINGLY said, > "Yes." > > Again she was asked, > "Do you HATE Satan?" > > Equally unhesitatingly, she replied, > > "NO, MY LOVE FOR GOD LEAVES NO ROOM FOR HATING SATAN. > > MY LOVE FOR GOD HAS SO POSSESSED ME THAT NO PLACE REMAINS FOR LOVING > OR HATING ANYONE EXCEPT HIM." > > (An excerpt from the book - "Woman Saints of East and West" published > by Sri Ramakrishna Mission) > > Jaya Sri Radhey! > > , safar_x <no_reply> wrote: > > Yes pyari, keep posting the poems with all of your good sense and > > share-it-all feelings, dont care if you are misunderstood. Your > > intentions, however, are noble and innoscent. > > love, > > Satish > > > > , "tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Tulsi/pyari > > > > > > Thanks for the response. > > > > > > As long as Songs are used in the present, they have present day > > > implications. Also these bhakti songs are immortal, they are as > > > relavant today as they were when they were written. The problem > is > > > not with those who already know the appropriate meanings and in > the > > > right context, but the for the new seekers and readers, who are > at > > > the introduction stage of the subject. We have many such readers, > > and > > > I merely wish to respect their presence among us. > > > > > > Moreover, it needs to be noted, that ill-meaning people have and > > > continue to use it against others, using such texts to support > > their > > > claims. This wrong, has hurt many a people, and the only way to > > > remove this kind of distorted interpretations, is through > > education, > > > and learning the essence of such texts. > > > > > > For those who don't know about life in India, broadcasts of > > Ramayana > > > a few years ago, saw an increase of "abuse" to women using the > > > stories and conditions of Sita's abduction, her trials, Rama's > > > challenges and Rama's ultimate demand of the fire trial to prove > > her > > > honor. The womens organizations who spend thier lives protecting > > the > > > interests of village women were enraged at the effects of this > > > presentation, and challenged the broadcast. > > > > > > I love the poems and ppppplease do continue to share the > beautiful > > > Bhakti songs; I am merely requesting all to make sure the > > > interpretations are clear and "in the present" to beginners too. > > > > > > I hope the request is taken in the spirit it is intended. > > > > > > Thank you so much > > > > > > _/\_ > > > > > > Tat twam asi > > > > > > Uma > > > > > > > > > > Dear UmaJi, > > > > > > > > This Songs were composed at the times of Sri Catanya Mahaprabhu, > > > > when the Vaisnavas were opressed by the Muslims etc., it has > > > nothing > > > > to do with our present days History,the Saint who composed this > > > songs > > > > is well revered till today, > > > > let us understand the mood of bhakti and not miss understood > the > > > > translation as you stated so truthfully, > > > > Hari bolo! > > > > tulsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2002 Report Share Posted September 4, 2002 Jaya Sri Radhey! Namste dear Satish and all. "O GOD, KINDLY TAKE AWAY EVRY PART OF MY BEING EXCEPT A TINY PARTICLE BY WHICH I MAY BE ABLE TO POSESS YOU AS MINE." - Rabindranath Tagore The sublime sentiments of Saint Rabi'a, Meera bai and Tagore are enjoyed again in this Bhajan of Saint Suradas, which describes the PREMA BHAKTI, selfless Divine Love of the Maidens of Brindavan, the Blessed Gopikas - "SHYAMA is Our BODY. SHYAMA is Our mind, Shyama is Our Wealth; O Uddhava, ALL the twenty-four hours we are occupied, with SHYAMA, SHYAMA is in Our heart, SHYAMA is the Breath of our Life, without SHYAMA we can have NO satisfaction. The Name SHYAMA is Our ONLY Support like the blind man's staff; SHYAMA is our Refuge, SHAYAMA is our thought, SHYAMA is the Lord of our Life. Our Happiness lies in SHYAMA, WHO is the Bestower of ALL Happiness and the Storehouse of ALL Beauty. Uddhava (the greatest Jnani of his time), you are indeed, MAD that you came running with the Gospel of Yoga. Where shall we keep your KNOWLEDGE of 'Yoga' When EVERY PORE of our body is filled with SHYAMA." Jaya Sri Radhey! , safar_x <no_reply> wrote: > Dear friends,What a heart touching verse has been posted by pyari_h. > Rabia.. is not less than a "sufi-meera". Here is one more verse on > the same ethos, but with a slight different touch. Noble laurate > rabindra Nath Tagore writes in "Geetanjali" > O GOD,KINDLY TAKE AWAY EVRY PART OF MY BEING EXCEPT A TINY PARTICLE > BY WHICH I MAY BE ABLE TO POSESS YOU AS MINE. > It may be remembered that this is a piece of poetry, not a > discourse.Hope you all enjoy the human craving and adoration for > Divinity > Love > Satish > , pyari_h <no_reply> wrote: > > Jaya Sri Radhey! Namaste. > > > > Thanks dear Satish/Uma for your kind comments. > > > > Like to share this prayer of the Sufi Saint Rabi'a with all Divine > > Lovers. > > > > "O My Lord, > > If I worship Thee for fear of hell, > > Burn me in hell; > > if I worship Thee for hope of Paradise, > > Exclude me thence; > > but if I worship Thee for Thine Own sake, > > Withhold NOT from me Thine eternal beauty." > > > > The true nature of such a sublime, all-absorbing love, is > beautifully > > brought out by the following anecdote regarding Saint Rabi'a : > > > > One day she was asked, > > "Do you love god?" > > > > She UNHESITATINGLY said, > > "Yes." > > > > Again she was asked, > > "Do you HATE Satan?" > > > > Equally unhesitatingly, she replied, > > > > "NO, MY LOVE FOR GOD LEAVES NO ROOM FOR HATING SATAN. > > > > MY LOVE FOR GOD HAS SO POSSESSED ME THAT NO PLACE REMAINS FOR > LOVING > > OR HATING ANYONE EXCEPT HIM." > > > > (An excerpt from the book - "Woman Saints of East and West" > published > > by Sri Ramakrishna Mission) > > > > Jaya Sri Radhey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Jaya Sri Radhey! Namaste. "I believe in the fundamental truth of all great religions of the world. I believe that they are all God-given and I believe that they were necessary for the people to whom these religions were revealed. And I believe that if only we could all of us read the scriptures of the different faiths from the standpoints of the followers of these faiths, we should find that they were at bottom all one and were all helpful to one another." ~ Mahatma Gandhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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