SPIRITUAL PRIDE-

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"VIDYADHAR DS" <india_divine

Spiritual sayings from God

 

 

EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR THE BEST

 

(Message of Lord Almighty )

 

 

Everything happens according to the will of God.

 

Have faith in this.

 

Then every place,every moment , every event of

 

your life begins to feel like heaven.

 

And your are convinced that

 

what is happening is meant for you

 

 

 

If you want to embark on the great adventure

 

of putting on a new life, all you have to do is

 

ask yourself a question…. "Am I living my life

 

according to the will of God?"

 

As long as God's will is very present in your life,

 

then everything is alright.

 

 

 

One who is happy with whatever clothing he is given,

 

whatever food he is fed,

 

and whatever resting place he is offered,

 

shines like an emperor.

 

 

 

You have to have a great heart

 

to see with this kind of vision.

 

How do you get such a heart?

 

You recognise your own worth,

 

You know what you really are,

 

You know what you contain

 

within yourself.

 

 

 

The world is as you see it.

 

You have your own glasses with your own colours

 

and prescriptions,

 

and you perceive the world thorough glasses

 

That's why the world appears to you as it does

 

However your mind is,

 

however your heart is

 

however your attitude is

 

that's how you see the world.

 

Therefore wear good glasses

 

with the right prescription.

 

 

A crow once flew into the sky with a piece of food in his beak.

 

Twenty crows flew after him, greedy for his dinner.The crow let the

piece of food drop, and immediately his pursuers turned and flew

after the morsel.

 

Said the crow…"I have lost the food and gained this peaceful sky"…..

 

 

Don't worry about what has already happened.

 

Concentrate on what is in the present.

 

Turn your heart towards God

 

And merge it in Him.

 

 

Nothing in this world is our enemy.

 

Everything is our friend---

 

Whether it's pain or joy,

 

misery or delight….

 

if we learn how to look at it.

 

For this we do the practices,

 

we perform austerities, we contemplate

 

what this world really is.

 

Through grace all this is possible.

 

 

Offer yourself entirely to the Lord.

 

giving up the pride of your own effort.

 

The Lord will become yours in His fullness.

 

This is the essence of all teachings

 

and answers of all answers.

 

 

It is only because of our understanding

 

that we are unable to accept what happens to us.

 

We blame others for our sorrow, saying:

 

"He did this to me;… He did that to me…"

 

But the fact is we ourselves are

 

the creators of joys and sorrows.

 

 

We reap the fruit of our own actions,no one else's.

 

An ignorant person suffers them

 

weeping and grumbling.

 

while a wise person, with the eye of knowledge,

 

sees the world as a divine play,

 

as the light of his own soul and enjoys it

 

while still laughing happily

 

 

Watch yourself….when you are troubled,

 

do self inquiry….ask yourself..

 

"Why do I feel so troubled?"

 

you can not put it aside, saying..

 

" It will just go away."

 

Nothing ever just goes away.

 

If you think .. it will goaway,..

 

it will be added to your karma box.

 

No one is going to empty that box but you.

 

It will only get fuller and fuller.

 

 

 

Facing the consequences of past karmas…

 

is not something to dread.

 

With right understanding,

 

with right knowledge

 

you actually look forward

 

to wiping the slate clean.

 

 

 

When you see something,

 

instead of judging it at its face value,…energise it

 

with the understanding of God !

 

Then even from a very plain,

 

simple incident .. you learn a great deal

 

because you have wisdom

 

and you are happy with yourself.

 

 

 

Whether you attain something

 

or you do not attain it

 

whether it is great or small,

 

it should always be enjoyed….. without desire

 

and with a contented mind

 

 

 

In `samadhana' ..the state of constant concentration

 

on the God Almighty…

 

you are able to experience everything

 

as a blessing..

 

Your mind becomes so positive

 

that you are able to accept everything

 

as a gift from God.

 

 

Samadhana is self surrender and contentment with what you have

chosen to pursue your dharma..

 

your only desire is to pursue

 

the greratest….! the highest…!

 

When a seeker is armed

 

with this quality..

 

he has a great ally ..

 

in the quest for the truth.

 

 

 

It is Shakti.. the divine power of consciousness,

 

who becomes the earth and

 

produces the valleys and plants and trees. So after you receive

Shaktipat,.. whatever happens_,

 

whether it is big or small__,

 

consider it to be a play of Shakti.

 

 

The appearance of the world

 

depends on a person's vision.

 

For God, only His world of bliss exists.

 

If you practise God's viewpoint

 

and attain your blissful inner sight,

 

then no matter where you go,

 

there will nothing but bliss and joy.

 

 

Change your vision …

 

Go deeper and deeper

 

to where the state…

 

of extraordinary ecstasy awaits you.

 

When you reach that state,

 

you will become it.

 

You will know: " I am That".

 

 

 

The truth of the matter is,

 

there is only….

 

the radience of God in the world,

 

and everyone is the image of God

 

 

 

Remember… God loves you

 

And will fulfill all your needs.

 

He will give you everything

 

when the time is right.

 

 

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SRI RADHA KUTIR <radhaktr wrote: Dear Umaji, Hari Om,

 

I agree with you and there is no doubt that pride can eventually

become the cause of one's downfall.

[Guest guest]

Hello friends,

Thought provocing discussions are going on "spiritual Pride"...I am

following it since it began. I agree what Radhakutir Ji and Tatwamasi

has said. There is nothing to add than to classify "Pride".

I would classify it (as per my knowledge and experiance). There are

two main catagories of Pride--- 1. Human, also called individualised

ego and 2. Divine, also addressed as "Aham Brahmasmi". Former has

further three subcatagories 1.satvik ahamkara 2.rajsik ahamkara 3

tamsik ahamkara. A perfect harmony between all three subcatagories is

nothing but the later (Divine)ego. All philosophical Indian schools

admit the creation as a result of Divine search--- 'Ko Aham", then

comes the answer-- "tat-twam-asi". Thus the debate whether spiritual

pride is good or bad carry no meaning because sometimes it is good

aND SOMETIMES BAD. The Keyword is LOVE..... Let us be proud of our

all pervading , contagious, infectious love......

Satish

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sri Radha Kutir, Uma and Safar_x.

 

In this world everything exists in pairs. Light - darkness, joy -

sorrow, pleasure - pain etc. Similary, as we pursue sadhna, along

with good tendencies, bad ones like pride too spring up.

 

When we grow a garden, weeds are inevitable. They will also grow

whether you plant them or not. However to maintain harmony of the

garden, we must be on a constant lookout for the weeds and uproot

them.

 

Similary to maintain our spiritual harmony, we must be constantly

watching for the sprouting of negative qualities like pride and

uproot them.

 

The question is , why does pride set in?

If we take an instance of a group of congenitally blind people, how

would you explain the concept of color to them? How would you explain

that , this is red, and that is blue?

You would probably go about by explaining that, when white light

falls on an object, all light, other than red light is absorbed. The

red light is reflected giving an appearance of red color. The same

with blue, green, yellow, etc. You could go further into the photon

theory etc.

 

However to perceive color, you don't have to have all this knowledge.

You just need eyes. Perceiving and recognising colors is beyond all

this knowledge. You can still perceive, even if you don't know all

that physics behind it.

 

If we compare ourselves with that analogy, we find that we are like

the blind people, blind to the Truth. In order to perceive the Truth,

we read scriptures and gain a lot of knowledge, that beautifully

explains the Truth. Acquisition of this knowledge induces pride as

there are many others around who aren't aware of it, or haven't read

about it. The negative qualities set in, 'cos knowledge is not truth

itself, though it is the means.

 

However God is beyond all knowledge and ignorance. He is beyond all

qualities of Tamas, Rajas and Satwa. He is beyond everything. You

don't need all this knowledge to comprehend HIM. However to reach

that state, we need to prepare ourselves, and during those means,

there'll be many obstacles like pride, and we must be on a constant

lookout for them, so as to proceed higher and reach the Ultimate.

 

Hari Aum !!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Satish

 

You make an interesting distinction between the the different kinds

of pride.

 

There is also a difference between Proudly Humble and Humbly Proud.

A realization of Aham Brhamasmi can be source of humble pride, but

in that mode the Humilty comes from seeing ALL as one - there is

no "you"/"me", "your path"/"my path"; the pride comes from that

state of knowing/glimpsing/feeling-one-with that perfect VIRAT

macrocosmic state of being. On the other hand Proudly Humble

reflects that state where we find so many today who use humble words

and gestures, but are filled with a feeling of "mine"/"yours".

 

While on a path it is very important to pursue it exclusively, for

one can do justice only when one gives undivided attention to

something just as a PHD student focuses on nothing but their subject

alone. But if the goal for all is to transcend the duality, then I

still see "experts" spinning wheeels in their own yard unable to get

beyond.

 

Again, I remain terribly disappointed as I am yet to hear of one of

our Great Gurus or institutions of today to give a call for as

little as 1 day of meditation/prayer to EVERYONE irrespective of

schools. I may have missed the point of it all, but from my meagre

understanding the result of such a harmonic convergence can

be "earth-shattering". For no matter what vehicle we are driving we

are all headed to the same place, and the power of that energy is

available to be harnassed.

 

One of our members point out (in post 5065 "VIDYADHAR DS"

<india_divine) that "Everything happens according to the

will of God..." In that case, (as we have discussed this before) we

can all sit back and watch the lila .. certainly takes any

responsibility off of our little hands!!!

 

I bring this discussion up because as you know, my focus is on some

basic elements of sadhna - transition from Talk to Walk - the

difficulties encountered and methods to overcome them. I feel these

obstacles are the primary reason why, while we have an overwhelming

interest in spiritual activites today, on the web or IRL, such

passionate focus on "religion" today, there is little evidence of

its true postive effect of peace, love and harmony as we know it.

 

Having expressed these thoughts .. I am wondering which category of

human pride or lack therefore that does put me!!!

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

 

 

, safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

>There is nothing to add than to classify "Pride".

 

> I would classify it (as per my knowledge and experiance). There

>are two main catagories of Pride--- 1. Human, also called

>individualised ego ....

[Guest guest]

Friend, please tell me what I can do about this world

I hold to, and keep spinning out!

 

I have given up sewn clothes, and wore a robe,

but I noticed one day the cloth was well woven.

 

So I bought some burlap, but I still

throw it elegantly over my left shoulder.

 

I pulled back sexual longings,

and now I discover I am angry a lot.

 

I gave up rage, and now I notice

that I am greedy all day.

 

I worked hard at dissolving the greed,

and now I am proud of myself.

 

When the mind wants to break its link with the world

it still holds on to one thing.

 

Kabir says: Listen my friend,

there are very few that find the path!

 

- Kabir (Version by Robert Bly)

[Guest guest]

Dear Uma,Radhakutir ji,svc et all,

Uma used phrase "humbly proud" and "proudly humble". Let us see what

it means though a little story:-

Once on a hot summer day one saint (Sadhu)was going somewhere. The

road was lone except for one distant person coming from the far end

of the road. As the person approached nearer, Sahdu saw that he was

an young boy neatly dressed in an attractive atire. The young man too

saw the Sadhu, and as he came closer he saluted the Sadhu. But lo!

just after salutation he slipped and fell over the dusty road. Sadhu

came hurriedly and helped the man (young boy) to stand up and asked

whether he got any injury. The boy thanked Sadhu, and said that he ,

fortunately did not get injured and then he began to dust off his

fine clothes very keenly. Sadhu said (asked), "PAIDA HUA TU KHAK SE

TO KHAK SE PARHEJ KYON? (meaning- when you have been born out of dust

then why discard it?). The boy retorted promptly,"JAB TALK ISS KHAK

MEIN US NOOR KA PARVEZ HAI, TAB TALK ISS KHAK KO ISS KHAK SE PARHEZ

HAI" (meaning- Till this phisical body is enlightened by the Divine,

it shall discard the non vital dust).

Now tell me, friends, who is "humbly proud" and who is"proudly

humble"?.

Uma, coming back to your message, I am deeply moved by your concern

to enlighten ALL.But this little planet earth has been made the way

it is. Be assured that the Divine is at untiring work at ALL levels

and THY WILL BE.From our end only one effort is required---- THE

ASPIRATION, and honest prayer. Meditation can not be a ritual. We all

meditate upon either subjectively or objectively, consciously or

unconsciously. Let us all pray for the GRACE to descend and our love

for the Divine may grow more and more, still yet more. LOVE is the

cause of all problem and it is the solution too

Love

Satish

[Guest guest]

Hi Satish

 

I'm sorry for giving the wrong impression. Aside from not having

the expertise, I also have no desire to "enlighten All". I am a

bit more selfish than that. My search is for those in power to bring

together or harnassing that "Love" that everyone seems to speak of,

across all categories or man-made slots, to generate the

overpowering force which can distribute some peace and harmony in

the world, which happens to be my residence at present.

 

If that moves individuals along the way to enlightenment, its the

icing on the cake!

 

You gave an interesting example about pride .... I need to process

that before I can respond .. will do so soon.

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

, safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

 

> Uma, coming back to your message, I am deeply moved by your

>concern to enlighten ALL.

[Guest guest]

Hi Umaji,

 

In your following quote, it will perhaps be more correct to say, "Stand apart

and watch the Lila of the Lord", because we all are a part of the cast of that

Lila directed by Him. At physical level we must do our bit and do it to the best

of our ability to please that Supreme Director. Let Him be the Judge!

 

OM

radhakutir

 

 

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"Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi

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29 June, 2003 7:49 PM

Re: SPIRITUAL PRIDE-

 

 

> Hi Satish

>

> You make an interesting distinction between the the different kinds

> of pride.

>

>

> One of our members point out (in post 5065 "VIDYADHAR DS"

> <india_divine) that "Everything happens according to the

> will of God..." In that case, (as we have discussed this before) we

> can all sit back and watch the lila .. certainly takes any

> responsibility off of our little hands!!!

>

>

> _/\_ Tat twam asi

>

> Uma

>

>

>

> , safar_x <no_reply> wrote:

> >There is nothing to add than to classify "Pride".

>

> > I would classify it (as per my knowledge and experiance). There

> >are two main catagories of Pride--- 1. Human, also called

> >individualised ego ....

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

> Your use of is subject to

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Dear Uma,

This has a reference to you MSG No.5072 in Saadhna.

It is my duty to clarify what I said about not worrying for

everybody's attitude and insisted over the only immportance of the

efforts at individual level. All advanced souls have forcasted that

complete or partial destruction of the globe is near. This too is the

Divine Plan. You had refered to one person's MSG in which he says

that "God does everything, so why make any own's effort" He is

correct. You who say "We must try earnestly to realise the "oneness"

and spred love and compassion, are also very true. The Divine is at

work in you as well as the former person. We know for sure that we

are a product of biological evolution; at human level its physical

phase is at the peak, and from now on the evolution

of "consciousness" is in process. If present human race can mend

itself and come to the tune of the Divine Plan, it is good; the

Divine may not have to destroy the present order of Its Creation,

else, otherwise It is capaple of creating a new World Order in

which "over mind" would prevail, giving no room to hatret, wars greed

and lust etc. This is what Ari Aurobindo's Interal Yoga all about. We

don't have to get rid of greed, lust etc at our Vital plane, we have

to aspire for "Transformation" of all the human atributes both the

negative and positive and "Pray" for "being an Instruments" of the

Divine.

This is Aurobindonian philosophy endorsed by Meher Baba

though Sufi Path Of Love. It is my track Uma, and I don't critisize

anyone who differes with me. Let His Will Prvail

Love to you and your family

Satish