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Thankyou SVCS. You very wisely put out what I wished to convey. I am also

grateful to Dr.YADU for sincerely replying to my piercing questions without

getting angered, or without passing judgements. I learnt a lot from him..

 

 

My contention is clearly to understand Krishna and Hinduism. I can not be

convinced by simple logics "Drown in love of krishna to understand him etc"

because i am an outsider and trying to understand basic theories. By pure love

towards anyone will make us understand him without looking at his faults (&

Hitler can be love like that). Nor am I convinced with the emotional and

immature logics of Kindness charity even towards enemies. It is nothing but

cheap emotions or impractical theories.

 

 

I understand we are discussing here Saadhnaa, a practical aspect of

Spirituality, not far fetched theories. No theory is useful for mankind if it

can not be put to practical use. For example Water can be changed into Petrol

(By passing hot steam over red hot charcoal, in presence of a catalyst), but

this is a theory. No one can make petrol like this, as either it is practically

not reachable or very costly making it impractical.

 

 

Anyhow I am very thankful and wish to take some days off. BTW my many

questions are still unanswered and no one even touched them (Like sati prathha

and untouchability). Perhaps hindus are too afraid to touch these delicate

subjects, may be due to No-answers with them.

 

 

I also wish to congratulate all (who care) on the Guru Nanak Anniversary on

8th Nov,03. I will try to post some good lines from Baba Nanak, provided

groups are accesible.

 

 

 

 

 

Bole so nihaal

 

 

 

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sardarji ,

 

Thank you for your enlightening presence in this group . You

certainly raaised some very interesting questions . But,

unfortunately , Hinduism is npt a religion that can be put in a

capsule form and explained to non-believers . It is an ever growing ,

ever evolving religion - it is not just about one scripture like

Sikhism -all of sikhism is contained in one scripture- the Guru

Granth Saheb. It is vast and profound - the vedas, upanishads, the

puranas , the 64 tantras , the epics RamaYana , the Mahabharata and

of course the Srimad Bhagwat GITA etc all contain the tenets of

Hinduism.

 

To understand Lord Krishna , you have ti have a "gopi" heart just as

to understand Guru Granth saheb , you have yo have a "khalsa" heart!

to those of us who do not know Sikhism , the five ks may sound very

silly ! what is so great about wearing a "kachha" (underpants) !

everyone wears it or should wear it! so, you see unless you are well

versed in all aspects of a faith /religion you cannot a[[reciate the

finer nuances of the faith . so, there is no point in passing

judgements on the sadhakas in this group . All are great and all are

evolving and moving up in their spiritual quest .

 

If you really want to understand Hinduism, first you must cultivate

the quality of a true sadhaka -that of "humility" or vinaya . You

have a "challenging" attitude which is different from an "enquiring

mind ! an enquiring mind wants to know and learn . a challenging

attitude wants to create doubts and sow seeds of discontent in the

minds of believers. when you come back from your sabbatical, ask

questions in a humble manner and for god's sake , do not ridicule

Krishna or other hindu gods for they do not need your endorsement .

 

You say you do not want to support charities which help al-qaeda's

children - we understand that. you do not want to support terrorism.

nobody does . so , don't give if you don't want to but when you

give , give it from the heart not with your hand .

 

In closing, i want to recall tje words of Kabir das-THE SHINING

EXAMPLE OF Hindu-Muslim affinities at the level of godhead!

 

kABIR SINGS ECSTATICALLY AT THE BANKS OF RIVER GANGA

 

"Aval allah noor upae-aa, Kudrat key sabh bandey,

 

ek noor tey sabh jag upjia-aa, kaun bhaley ko mandey...

 

"First Allah created the Light. Then by His Creative Power He made

all mortal beings. From that One Light, the entire universe came into

being. So, who is good and who's bad, indeed?....

 

hAPPY GURU NANAK ANNIVERSARY ON NOV 8TH! we will be looking forward

yo your return and your posts....

 

Sat sri Akaal!

 

, "the-hermit" <the-hermit@i...> wrote:

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Thank you bhangra_rapper:

 

All I need to add is to say, "vaahe gurujii kaa khalasaa vaahe guruji

ke phateH."

 

namaskaara

 

Dr. Yadu

 

, bhangra_rapper <no_reply> wrote:

> sardarji ,

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Very infomative posts, dear bhangra rapper. You speak with the

confidence of an old member, very well informed in Hindu literature.

I'm not sure where I got the idea but I thought your background was

Sikhism with curiosity about Hindusim! I was hoping to learm more

about Sikhism from one who "feels" a Sikh/Khalsa!! I must have made

a wrong assumption!!

 

, bhangra_rapper <no_reply>

wrote:

> a challenging attitude wants to create doubts and sow seeds of

>discontent in the minds of believers. when you come back from your

>sabbatical, ask questions in a humble manner and for god's sake ,

>do not ridicule Krishna or other hindu gods for they do not need

>your endorsement.

 

You sound uncannily like our previous member who got angry at

sardarji for "insulting our Gods!!" Several of us posted our

response to that! I imagine you read them all!

 

>>If you really want to understand Hinduism, first you must cultivate

>>the quality of a true sadhaka -that of "humility" or vinaya ..

 

Does that mean newcomers, beginning students or those who are

studying for acedemic purposes who don't necesarily have sense of

belonging, cannot understand the Philosophy? Is our Philosophy such

that it can't stand on its own strength and needs a sense of loyalty

before it can be grasped?

 

I'm not sure I can agree with you on that. As I pointed out earlier,

I feel it is this cultural attitude that leads to the

disenchantment of today's youth, specially those

who are used to debate and honest dialgoue and questioning. Or

alternatively they learn to parrot things, and get defensive when

having to protect that ignorance!!!

 

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

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