Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Thankyou SVCS. You very wisely put out what I wished to convey. I am also grateful to Dr.YADU for sincerely replying to my piercing questions without getting angered, or without passing judgements. I learnt a lot from him.. My contention is clearly to understand Krishna and Hinduism. I can not be convinced by simple logics "Drown in love of krishna to understand him etc" because i am an outsider and trying to understand basic theories. By pure love towards anyone will make us understand him without looking at his faults (& Hitler can be love like that). Nor am I convinced with the emotional and immature logics of Kindness charity even towards enemies. It is nothing but cheap emotions or impractical theories. I understand we are discussing here Saadhnaa, a practical aspect of Spirituality, not far fetched theories. No theory is useful for mankind if it can not be put to practical use. For example Water can be changed into Petrol (By passing hot steam over red hot charcoal, in presence of a catalyst), but this is a theory. No one can make petrol like this, as either it is practically not reachable or very costly making it impractical. Anyhow I am very thankful and wish to take some days off. BTW my many questions are still unanswered and no one even touched them (Like sati prathha and untouchability). Perhaps hindus are too afraid to touch these delicate subjects, may be due to No-answers with them. I also wish to congratulate all (who care) on the Guru Nanak Anniversary on 8th Nov,03. I will try to post some good lines from Baba Nanak, provided groups are accesible. Bole so nihaal Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for Air Tickets on Air Sahara Flights. For Best Deals, log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 sardarji , Thank you for your enlightening presence in this group . You certainly raaised some very interesting questions . But, unfortunately , Hinduism is npt a religion that can be put in a capsule form and explained to non-believers . It is an ever growing , ever evolving religion - it is not just about one scripture like Sikhism -all of sikhism is contained in one scripture- the Guru Granth Saheb. It is vast and profound - the vedas, upanishads, the puranas , the 64 tantras , the epics RamaYana , the Mahabharata and of course the Srimad Bhagwat GITA etc all contain the tenets of Hinduism. To understand Lord Krishna , you have ti have a "gopi" heart just as to understand Guru Granth saheb , you have yo have a "khalsa" heart! to those of us who do not know Sikhism , the five ks may sound very silly ! what is so great about wearing a "kachha" (underpants) ! everyone wears it or should wear it! so, you see unless you are well versed in all aspects of a faith /religion you cannot a[[reciate the finer nuances of the faith . so, there is no point in passing judgements on the sadhakas in this group . All are great and all are evolving and moving up in their spiritual quest . If you really want to understand Hinduism, first you must cultivate the quality of a true sadhaka -that of "humility" or vinaya . You have a "challenging" attitude which is different from an "enquiring mind ! an enquiring mind wants to know and learn . a challenging attitude wants to create doubts and sow seeds of discontent in the minds of believers. when you come back from your sabbatical, ask questions in a humble manner and for god's sake , do not ridicule Krishna or other hindu gods for they do not need your endorsement . You say you do not want to support charities which help al-qaeda's children - we understand that. you do not want to support terrorism. nobody does . so , don't give if you don't want to but when you give , give it from the heart not with your hand . In closing, i want to recall tje words of Kabir das-THE SHINING EXAMPLE OF Hindu-Muslim affinities at the level of godhead! kABIR SINGS ECSTATICALLY AT THE BANKS OF RIVER GANGA "Aval allah noor upae-aa, Kudrat key sabh bandey, ek noor tey sabh jag upjia-aa, kaun bhaley ko mandey... "First Allah created the Light. Then by His Creative Power He made all mortal beings. From that One Light, the entire universe came into being. So, who is good and who's bad, indeed?.... hAPPY GURU NANAK ANNIVERSARY ON NOV 8TH! we will be looking forward yo your return and your posts.... Sat sri Akaal! , "the-hermit" <the-hermit@i...> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Thank you bhangra_rapper: All I need to add is to say, "vaahe gurujii kaa khalasaa vaahe guruji ke phateH." namaskaara Dr. Yadu , bhangra_rapper <no_reply> wrote: > sardarji , > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Very infomative posts, dear bhangra rapper. You speak with the confidence of an old member, very well informed in Hindu literature. I'm not sure where I got the idea but I thought your background was Sikhism with curiosity about Hindusim! I was hoping to learm more about Sikhism from one who "feels" a Sikh/Khalsa!! I must have made a wrong assumption!! , bhangra_rapper <no_reply> wrote: > a challenging attitude wants to create doubts and sow seeds of >discontent in the minds of believers. when you come back from your >sabbatical, ask questions in a humble manner and for god's sake , >do not ridicule Krishna or other hindu gods for they do not need >your endorsement. You sound uncannily like our previous member who got angry at sardarji for "insulting our Gods!!" Several of us posted our response to that! I imagine you read them all! >>If you really want to understand Hinduism, first you must cultivate >>the quality of a true sadhaka -that of "humility" or vinaya .. Does that mean newcomers, beginning students or those who are studying for acedemic purposes who don't necesarily have sense of belonging, cannot understand the Philosophy? Is our Philosophy such that it can't stand on its own strength and needs a sense of loyalty before it can be grasped? I'm not sure I can agree with you on that. As I pointed out earlier, I feel it is this cultural attitude that leads to the disenchantment of today's youth, specially those who are used to debate and honest dialgoue and questioning. Or alternatively they learn to parrot things, and get defensive when having to protect that ignorance!!! _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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