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Tatwamasi writes ...

 

"Very infomative posts, dear bhangra rapper. You speak with the

confidence of an old member, very well informed in Hindu

literature. "

 

Thank you dear Tatwamasi. first for your warm welcome and now for

these compliments .

 

I do not know how well veresed I am in hindu scriptures but what I

know is just a drop in the ocean . but as you so beauifully put it

in your post addressed to Sardar Saheb, to paraphrasepoe Robert

Frost, there are miles and miles to go ... but the destination is the

same for all of us whatever path/route we take - that of self-

realization. until then, we are all spiritual seekers illumining one

another . only a lit lamp can light another !

 

You state ...

 

> I'm not sure where I got the idea but I thought your background was

> Sikhism with curiosity about Hindusim! I was hoping to learm more

> about Sikhism from one who "feels" a Sikh/Khalsa!! I must have made

> a wrong assumption!!

 

 

well, i am sorry if i gave you that impression. Maybe my id. i

love bhangra and i love music - hence this name . also, i can speak

punjabi and other languages. As far learning sikhism . your best bet

is Sardar saheb himself .

 

Then, you respond to my statement ...

 

 

>> a challenging attitude wants to create doubts and sow seeds of

> >discontent in the minds of believers. when you come back from your

> >sabbatical, ask questions in a humble manner and for god's sake ,

> >do not ridicule Krishna or other hindu gods for they do not need

> >your endorsement.

>

> You sound uncannily like our previous member who got angry at

> sardarji for "insulting our Gods!!" Several of us posted our

> response to that! I imagine you read them all!

 

yes! i read chamundakijai's original post and all your carefully

drafted posts - including pradeep, svcs , radhakutir and yours. As i

have said in my post and i repeat now again, who are we to defend

Gods ? HE is above and beyond THAT! I am not angry but what i am

wondering is Radha kutir posted a very informative article by

Sivananda on purna avatar of Lord krisha and sardarji complains

nobody answered his question and then brings up additional topics for

discussion like untouchability and the Sati custom. I personally

thought every member here made an honest attempt to answer his

question in a sincere manner to the best of their knowledge and

ability.

 

Tatwamasi you write in response to my remark

 

> >>If you really want to understand Hinduism, first you must

cultivate

> >>the quality of a true sadhaka -that of "humility" or vinaya ..

>

> Does that mean newcomers, beginning students or those who are

> studying for acedemic purposes who don't necesarily have sense of

> belonging, cannot understand the Philosophy? Is our Philosophy such

> that it can't stand on its own strength and needs a sense of

loyalty

> before it can be grasped?

>

> I'm not sure I can agree with you on that. As I pointed out

earlier,

> I feel it is this cultural attitude that leads to the

> disenchantment of today's youth, specially those

> who are used to debate and honest dialgoue and questioning. Or

> alternatively they learn to parrot things, and get defensive when

> having to protect that ignorance!!!

 

this was not about newcomers or youth or the philosophy ! this was

merely about the "attitude" -

 

what i was talking was a different issue - that of "vinaya" a

necessary qualification of a spiritual seeker .

 

the OPENING verse in shatpadee stotra by adi

shankara states ....

 

Avinayam apanaya vishno amaya manah

samaya vishaya mriga-trishnaam;

Boota dayaam vistaaraya Taaraya samsaara saagaratah

 

How do we describe the quality of **vinaya*** - while translating

this word into english, the beauty and the real

meaning of this word may be lost... Gentleness, humility,

consideration for others, freedom from egoism , lack of

arrogance etc - may somewhat describe all the qualities

inherent in a person blessed with "vinaya" -

 

 

Because of the emphasis on Vinaya, the _expression Vineya is used to

denote a disciple.

 

IN the Shatpadee Stotra, Sri Adi Sankara prays to God to remove

Avinaya, evils like arrogance, which are opposite qualities to Vinaya.

 

in the srimad bhagwat gita also (chapter 4, verse 34) it is stated

 

tad viddhi pranipatena

pariprasnena sevaya

upadeksyanti te jnanam

jnaninas tattva-darsinah

 

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a Guru. Inquire from him

submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can

impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.

 

that is how Arjuna approached Lord krishna - arjuna asked a lot of

questions before he took up arms against his kith and kin. But at all

times, he displayed a bhava of "vinaya" .

 

let me ask s v c s this question. Should we not help the children of

Sri LANKAN TIGERS just because one of their own assasinated india's

prime minister Rajeev Gandhi ? Should we not help the children of

Sikhs because two sikhs assasinated our prime minister Indira Gandhi?

 

In sikhism , sat naam and sad guru are synonymous . in hinduism also,

god's name (krishna) is to be taken only in a reverential manner .

 

Namaskar !