Is everything pre-destined?

[Guest guest]

To explain this, an interesting example was given by Swamini

Seelananda in her recent talks.

 

A cow is tied to a stump with a rope. He has the freedom to roam

within the radius of the rope and the circumferance it creates.

However, he is bound to the specific rope, its location and

circumstance.

 

Such is predestination. We cannot change our stage of action, but we

have the freedom to roam around withing a small radius.

 

_/\_ Tat Twam asi

 

Uma

 

, "Keith Johnson" <omegananda>

wrote:

> Predestination,

[Guest guest]

Respected Tatwamasi,

 

This story was part of the teaching of Shree Ramkrishna. The devotees

here may read the story and the details at

Ramakrishna/message/7842

 

, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote:

 

> A cow is tied to a stump with a rope. He has the freedom to roam

> within the radius of the rope and the circumferance it creates.

> However, he is bound to the specific rope, its location and

> circumstance.

[Guest guest]

Respected jyotishguruji,

I thank you for pointing out that the story of the cow and the stump

is part of the teaching of Thakur Shree Ramkrishna.

ichanda

, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote:

>

> To explain this, an interesting example was given by Swamini

> Seelananda in her recent talks.

[Guest guest]

nobdoy has insulted anybody. I asked some serious, logical and sane

questions from Nirbanam and surprisingly he replied to none and tried

to turn the discussion to insults etc. None of my comments were out

of cotext. This is the problem with Hindus. Whenever they are asked

to explain something they hide behind Maya or behind Bhakti or

behind "You are ignorant" type replies.

 

I really wished to know (1) why it is human being who is fit to

attain Moksha and not animals and devas and (2) is everything pre-

destined. If Nirbanam does not know it there may be somebody else who

knows the reply (like dear tatwa - Mashi gave a beautiful story tks

Soneyo). i am sure i will get some answers, if Dr.yadu and nachiketa

are listening.

 

Bole so nihaal

[Guest guest]

Dear Sardarjit ji,

 

Kindly do not take anybody's remarks personally. It is

not proper to comdemn anybody especially when we are

discussing topics of spirituality.

 

I will try to address the two points you raised:

1. Why it is human being who is fit to attain Moksha

and not animals and devas?

 

Every living species has its own peculiarity and

significance. Human beings have the power of choice

and discrimination. At every step humans choose.

This choice is based primarily on the environment and

the surroundings one is brought up and lives in. It is

based on choice that one develops and grows to ba a

great person or fall to the lowest depths.

 

Animals follow a routine pattern. Their activities are

pretty fixed; they are not based on choice. They look

for food when hungry, try to get sleep when sleepy,

procreate in a specific season and so on.

 

Thus a buffalo has never lied but then it is a buffalo

- it cannot lie! A tiger though ferocious does not

make life of tigresses miserable through his lust, it

can perform the act only when nature permits it to. It

CANNOT go beyond a circle.

 

I may give blow for a blow and seek revenge. Or, I may

face the blows bravely yet not retaliate - my choice.

I have been bestowed with a tremendous power of making

a choice based on my perception.

It is based on one's choice that decisions are made;

the feelings behind every choice matters.

 

As such, animals do not have such a capacity. As for

the devas, there is nothing left for them to achieve.

This answers your first question.

 

2. Is everything pre-destined.

This is a timeless query and the debate never seems to

end.

It is good to say that everything is pre-destined. But

I have seen enough people who, using this quote, feel

free not to act at all or take life easy or, what is

worse - justify their wrong doings. To say that

everything is pre-destined is like saying I am

helpless in everything - not quite true.

 

On the other hand, there are people who disbelieve

destiny totally only to find out that more often than

not they are confronted with situations beyond their

comprehension. "How did this happen?What did I do

to deserve this?I cannot believe this is happening"

These are classic examples of such situations.

 

Great Hindu leaders and sages have followed this line

of action: To do what you feel right in your capacity;

what has to happen will happen. But this does not

justify NOT doing anythig.

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- sardarajitsingh <the-hermit wrote:

> nobdoy has insulted anybody.