Guest guest Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Can you please elaborate on this? What is the difference between Prakriti version of Tattwa and "Real Tattwa gyana"? Thanks _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma , "Vivek B." <shreeom> wrote: > > The Tattwa you write about and what is written in the link >provided by you is knowledge of Prakriti, not the real Tattwa gyana. > > Vik > > --- Tatwamasi <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > http://www.alternativeapproaches.com/magick/tatwas/tatwas02.htm > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 Many Sanskrit words could have a host of meanings, e.g. there are so many kinds of 'Yoga'. 'Tattwa', too may have a few meanings. Your post mentioned 'moksha' and then spoke of the elements fire, earth etc. As I am not a pundit, I cannot explain the various meanings of 'tattwa' without referring to the text, but the Tattwa which I meant is the one which is closer to the context. Tattwa may mean the Highest Self which one realises with Moksha. Wonder if you have a copy of the Geeta with Swami Chinmayananda's commentary, and have read it? Vik --- Tatwamasi <tatwamasi wrote: > > > Can you please elaborate on this? > > What is the difference between Prakriti version of > Tattwa and "Real > Tattwa gyana"? > > Thanks > > _/\_ Tat twam asi > > Uma > > > , "Vivek B." > <shreeom> wrote: > > > > The Tattwa you write about and what is written in > the link > >provided by you is knowledge of Prakriti, not the > real Tattwa gyana. > > > > Vik > > > > --- Tatwamasi <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > > > > http://www.alternativeapproaches.com/magick/tatwas/tatwas02.htm > > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 In the context of Moksha (libertaion of the Spirit) , it is the Atma - Tattwa which is being referred to. Tattwa has many meanings. It can refer to "principle" , "elements" and "quality" . In the case of Moksha , it is Atma-tattwa (knowledge of the self), the principle of self-realization. Brahmanandam, Parama Sukhadam, KevalamJnanamurtim, Dwandwateetam, Gagana Sadrisham, *Tattwamasyadi* Lakshyam, Ekam, Nityam, Vimalam, Achalam, Sarvadhee Sakshibhutam,Bhavateetam, Trigunarahitam God is the embodiment of supreme bliss, He is wisdom absolute, the One without a second, beyond the pair of opposites, expansive and pervasive like the sky, the goal indicated by the Mahavakya *Tattwamasi*, the eternal, pure, unchanging, the witness of all functions of the intellect, beyond all mental conditions and the three Gunas of Sattwa, Rajas and Thamas. Then, of course, there is the "tattwa-shuddis" as mentioned by tattwamasi which are important in the path of sadhana . WE have many tattwas . Guru tattwa , for instance. BUT, in the context of moksha, it is defibitely "atma-tattwa" that is being implied. Shree om's interpretation is correct. That is what is also the meaning given in tattwa-bodha by Shankara bhagvadapad in atma-gyana . Hari AUM. -- In , "Vivek B." <shreeom> wrote: > Many Sanskrit words could have a host of meanings, > e.g. there are so many kinds of 'Yoga'. 'Tattwa', too > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 Thanks Vik .. I do have his translation and I certainly have read and love it too. I ask several questions here in the context of discussion. When sadhaks present their own understanding in their own words, it helps clarify it for others. Thanks again! _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma , "Vivek B." <shreeom> wrote: > Wonder if you have a copy of the Geeta with Swami Chinmayananda's >commentary, and have read it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 Hello Vik, May I offer some explaination for the term "tatwa" ? This word is of Sanskrit language and like all other words in that language it has been derived from a "root" word "Tat" which means "that" indicating something which exists. "wa" is a suffix signifying "is". Thus literally "tatwa" means "THAT IS". Now as you must be aware that the attains its meaning by usage. In sanskrit the word has got at least three significant usage which all differ in the context. According to general usage "tatwa" means an "Element" (not a compound--- refer scientific, spacialy Chemistry dictionary). An altogether different meaning is postulated in Samkhya branch of Indian philosophy in which the elements of the universe has been innumerated in numbers. Here "tatwa" precisely mean five primary elements viz. Space,water, fire,earth , and air. Whenever the word tatwa is used as a prefix, it presisely means that particuler's root element. Thus if we say "atma-tatwa" it shall mean the root element of the self. Hope I am clear Love Satish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hi Satish, Thanks a ton for the research and explanation. The Tatwa which Tatwamasi was implying is most important to realise. love Vik --- safar_x <no_reply> wrote: > Hello Vik, > May I offer some explaination for the term "tatwa" > ? > This word is of Sanskrit language and like all > other words in that > language it has been derived from a "root" word > "Tat" which > means "that" indicating something which exists. "wa" > is a suffix > signifying "is". Thus literally "tatwa" means "THAT > IS". Now as you > must be aware that the attains its meaning by usage. > In sanskrit the > word has got at least three significant usage which > all differ in the > context. According to general usage "tatwa" means an > "Element" (not a > compound--- refer scientific, spacialy Chemistry > dictionary). An > altogether different meaning is postulated in > Samkhya branch of > Indian philosophy in which the elements of the > universe has been > innumerated in numbers. Here "tatwa" precisely mean > five primary > elements viz. Space,water, fire,earth , and air. > Whenever the word > tatwa is used as a prefix, it presisely means that > particuler's root > element. Thus if we say "atma-tatwa" it shall mean > the root element > of the self. > Hope I am clear > Love > Satish > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 The eplanations given out by Safar and Karma karate are awesome. I am sorry I could not explain what I meant better. You had hit the nail on the head linking moksha with the Tatwas. After reading these explanations my doubts have also cleared a great deal. love Vik --- Tatwamasi <tatwamasi wrote: > > Thanks Vik .. I do have his translation and I > certainly have read > and love it too. I ask several questions here in the > context of > discussion. When sadhaks present their own > understanding in their > own words, it helps clarify it for others. > > Thanks again! > > _/\_ Tat twam asi > > Uma > > , "Vivek B." > <shreeom> wrote: > > Wonder if you have a copy of the Geeta with Swami > Chinmayananda's > >commentary, and have read it? > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Most enlightening discourse. Purusha, Prakriti Parmatman, how are these featured in Atma Tatwa Gyana? Think this will answer Uma's query better and will clear my mind too. Please oblige with an explanation. Respectful regards Vik --- karma_karate <karma_karate wrote: > In the context of Moksha (libertaion of the Spirit) > , it is the Atma - > Tattwa which is being referred to. > > Tattwa has many meanings. It can refer to > "principle" , "elements" > and "quality" . > > In the case of Moksha , it is Atma-tattwa (knowledge > of the self), > the principle of self-realization. > > Brahmanandam, Parama Sukhadam, KevalamJnanamurtim, > Dwandwateetam, > Gagana Sadrisham, *Tattwamasyadi* Lakshyam, Ekam, > Nityam, Vimalam, > Achalam, Sarvadhee Sakshibhutam,Bhavateetam, > Trigunarahitam > > God is the embodiment of supreme bliss, He is wisdom > absolute, the > One without a second, beyond the pair of opposites, > expansive and > pervasive like the sky, the goal indicated by the > Mahavakya > *Tattwamasi*, the eternal, pure, unchanging, the > witness of all > functions of the intellect, beyond all mental > conditions and the > three Gunas of Sattwa, Rajas and Thamas. > > > Then, of course, there is the "tattwa-shuddis" as > mentioned by > tattwamasi which are important in the path of > sadhana . > > WE have many tattwas . Guru tattwa , for instance. > > BUT, in the context of moksha, it is defibitely > "atma-tattwa" that is > being implied. Shree om's interpretation is correct. > That is what is > also the meaning given in tattwa-bodha by Shankara > bhagvadapad in > atma-gyana . > > Hari AUM. -- In , "Vivek B." > <shreeom> wrote: > > Many Sanskrit words could have a host of meanings, > > e.g. there are so many kinds of 'Yoga'. 'Tattwa', > too > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 One (Atma) became three (Sattva, Rajas, Tamas, - Prakriti) and three became five (Prithivi - earth; Jal - water; Agni - fire; Vayu - air; Akash - ether) and five became many (Parpancha), which makes up our universe. Purusha is the reflection of Atma Tatwa in the Prakriti that brings the inert Prakriti to life i.e. consciousness. Hari Om radhakutir - "Vivek B." <shreeom <> 02 December, 2003 4:04 PM Re: Re: Tattwas > Most enlightening discourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 It seems members of this group could easily move towards realising the Atma Tatwa Vik --- SRI RADHA KUTIR <radhaktr wrote: > One (Atma) became three (Sattva, Rajas, Tamas, - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 God bless you Vik, for blessing us here Satish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Tattwa - "That is" simply means "essence". Essence of something. It has been used in various systems to talk about the essence of the concepts in the specific system of philosophy. In the conversion from clubs to groups, our old posts are not clearly readable. To continue the discussion on this topic I am reposting an old post (Post 2940) by our original founder on this subject in a more readable format. Uma --------------------- SILENTSOUL_55 Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:35 am Tattwa !!! My friend Seshadri wrote in another club "But at the end I got an idea that both are same and Tantra can be explained in the language and ideas of Vedanta. Its all the same." How wise a statement. The conflict and confusion between paths is due to our ignorance and once we understand them well, we will see that there is practically no difference between Bhakti, Jnana, Karma and Tantra and one can be explained by the other. As far as my knowledge goes I have found that Tantra is the path which has some greater truths and any path can be well understood by Tantra and study of its Tattwas (the eternal elements). Tantra is not that non-sense which we see on the net spreading sexual fantasies. Tantra logically and scientifically explains as to how the Supreme consciousness manifests as Purusha and shakti and how they both mate to manifest as Universe and different Jivas. I am giving below a very shallow description about the TATTWA and hope our learned members will contribute further. The Universe is a manifestation of one supreme conscsiousness. Different stages of manifestation develop certain gods and shaktis. Tantraa is the only philosophy in hinduism which has scientifically and logically explained this manifestation (apparent division) of the Supreme Consciousness. In the Sadhna of 10 Mahavidyas, the worship is started with :- 1- Aum Atam tattvaye Swahaa 2-Aum Vidya tattvaye Swahaa 3- Aum Shiva Tattvaye Swahaa 4- Aum Sakal tattvaye Swahaa These beginning Mantra explain the mystery of the manifestation, the mystery of the Universe and the mystery of Shiva and shakti. It denotes that there are 4 Tattawas (elements) in the Eternal Truth viz. 1- Turiya Tattwa, 2- Shiva Tattwa, 3-Vidya Tattwa and; 4- Atama Tattwa. Turiya -Tattawa : It is the supreme consciousness. Turiya is beyond the Universe, away from the gunas and is unattached and unconcerned. This Turiya Tattawa has in it the whole universe as Shiva and shakti (as a tree is sleeping in a tiny seed). In the first division of consciousness, this Turiya Tattawa sees itself divided into Shiva- Tattawa. Shiva-Tattawa contains: 1-ParamShiva : The consciousness, who has one desire in it of manifesting as Universse is called param shiva) 2-Shakti : The desire of Shiva to manifest as Universe is called Shakti. 2. Vidya -Tattawa : Shakti and shiva mate to manifest as Vidya Tattwa. 1- Sadashiva : When Paramshiva is filled with the vritti (thought-wave) "I am the Universe and this Universe is within me" then that division of the consciousness is called Sadashiva. 2- Ishwara (god): When consciousness is filled with the Vritti "there is a Universe and I am its master" then that portion of Sadashiva is called Ishwara or God. 3- Vidya : The Vritti of Ishwara which makes him feel that he is God is called Vidya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 Most interesting post. This is not against what the other paths stand for. Your chosen path seems to be Vedanta and it says the same thing in somewhat verbiage. Are there any confusions you have with regard to the sanskrit words used? Vik , "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > Tattwa - "That is" simply means "essence". Essence of something. It > --------------------- > SILENTSOUL_55 > Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:35 am > Tattwa !!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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