Planchette,Spirits and ESP

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My pleasure Dr Nachiketa!

 

No I have never tried planchette, I might try given the right

circumstances but I believe there are other, more effective and safer

ways to summon spirits. I dont know exactly the psychic mechanism of

planchette so I cant be sure whether its the spirits or the

subconsciousness that communicates through it. I believe that both

cases are possible to occur. A spirit would have to use the etheric

energy of the people who are calling it, to manifest its ideas on the

board. So this might not be a good experiment for people of poor

health, who dont have enough pranic stocks . Generally, it is said

that many mediums and psychics have poor health because their astral-

etheric body is not constantly fixed on the physical. This is what

makes them perceive etheric phenomena more easily but this deprives

them also from a lot of energy. I have felt this once, during an

effort to astral project. After returning my attention into the

physical body, I had absolutely no strength to get up. I had to lie

for 30 minutes until I gathered enough energy to use the physical

body again. (and this was nothing like sleep paralysis, this was pure

lack of energy). I dont know why this happens. This has happened to

me only once and I hope it will never happen again!

 

I believe yogis and tantrists are more intelligent than the western

occultists when it comes to using extra sensory perceptions (ESP).

Many of the them use spirits to help them evolve spiritually

(aghoris), others avoid any sort of contact with spirits apart from

concentrating and calling on their deity through japa. After all each

mantra connects us to the astral region of the deity it represents. A

good question: Is a deity (such as shiva) a spirit of a higher level?

Or is it pure impersonal astral energy?

 

Many might argue that dealing with spirits and their worlds is not a

goal acceptable for a sadhaka and a person who wishes to raise above

all limitations and attain moksha. However, a person who meditates

will inevitably be confronted with the subtle worlds and potential

spirits. If we are ignorant of what spirits are and how they can

interfere with us, we might get into trouble. This is one of the very

important reasons to knowing and studying their world. If we dont

accept their influence upon us, this does not mean that they dont

exist.

 

PS: When I say spirits, I mean any astral entity, be that a ghost (a

person who has just died), or a permanent astral dweller, an

elemental, or a mere thoughtform that has come into life due to

occult experiments. Most of the spirits which we encounter easily,

must be lower kinds of spirits.

[Guest guest]

, "Angie" <oiokasti@h...> wrote:

 

>

> Many might argue that dealing with spirits and their worlds is not

a

> goal acceptable for a sadhaka and a person who wishes to raise

above

> all limitations and attain moksha. However, a person who meditates

> will inevitably be confronted with the subtle worlds and potential

> spirits. If we are ignorant of what spirits are and how they can

> interfere with us, we might get into trouble. This is one of the

very

> important reasons to knowing and studying their world. If we dont

> accept their influence upon us, this does not mean that they dont

> exist.

>

 

well said angie. In fact one of my friends just raised this

question " what a sadhaka has to do with spirits and ghosts" and i

was about to write this, when i saw your post with the same answers.

 

YES i agree with you, though knowing abt life after death is not

a pre-requisite for a sadhaka, but it certainly helps one during pre-

samadhi encounters. Moreover if we know about life after death,

perhaps our fear of death will vanish.

 

Many sadhakas have told me, that they were helped in their sadhna

by unknown spirits, by giving them guidance. One of my friend who

had no knowledge of pranayama, japa etc. got the information from a

holy spirit through planchette. But planchette has one drawback, it

needs at least three persons to work.

 

I have personally found dowsing to be the best for the moments of

doubt and it normally gives right directions. Have u tried dowsing ?

It is normally used to find underground water etc. but if properly

trained dowsing can help in finding answers to the unknown world even

for guidance in sadhna.

 

nachiketa

[Guest guest]

dear nachiketa ....that was interesting ...pls tell me how dowsing

works..hope to hear from u......love ajit

 

dr_nachiketa <no_reply> wrote: ,

"Angie" <oiokasti@h...> wrote:

 

>

> Many might argue that dealing with spirits and their worlds is not

a

> goal acceptable for a sadhaka and a person who wishes to raise

above

> all limitations and attain moksha. However, a person who meditates

> will inevitably be confronted with the subtle worlds and potential

> spirits. If we are ignorant of what spirits are and how they can

> interfere with us, we might get into trouble. This is one of the

very

> important reasons to knowing and studying their world. If we dont

> accept their influence upon us, this does not mean that they dont

> exist.

>

 

well said angie. In fact one of my friends just raised this

question " what a sadhaka has to do with spirits and ghosts" and i

was about to write this, when i saw your post with the same answers.

 

YES i agree with you, though knowing abt life after death is not

a pre-requisite for a sadhaka, but it certainly helps one during pre-

samadhi encounters. Moreover if we know about life after death,

perhaps our fear of death will vanish.

 

Many sadhakas have told me, that they were helped in their sadhna

by unknown spirits, by giving them guidance. One of my friend who

had no knowledge of pranayama, japa etc. got the information from a

holy spirit through planchette. But planchette has one drawback, it

needs at least three persons to work.

 

I have personally found dowsing to be the best for the moments of

doubt and it normally gives right directions. Have u tried dowsing ?

It is normally used to find underground water etc. but if properly

trained dowsing can help in finding answers to the unknown world even

for guidance in sadhna.

 

nachiketa

 

 

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[Guest guest]

dear ajit. We can communicate with our sub-conscious through many

physical means, and dowsing is one of them. Dowsing is used

throughout the world mainly to find water source hidden behind earth

but it can be used to know future to get guidance in material as well

as spiritual matters.

 

The best dowsing appratus would be a non-ferrous cone of about 50-

60 gms. tie a thread on its base and tie the other side of the thread

to a wooden stick about 1 feet long. the length of the thread should

be also about one feet. for dowsing the wooden stick is held by both

hands keeping the hanging cone on the other side of the stick. Some

people have natural powers to work on dowsing, but it is my

experience that anyone who has faith in para-normal phenomenon, can

develop his skills.

 

For developing skills, we should not just start dowsing and start

asking for future and difficult questions. First thing is to train

the appratus and tune it with the sub-conscious. Some simple

exercise need to be done for about a month before starting actual

dowing. You can put a white paper and draw a circle on it and in the

center of the circle draw a big dot. Now on the horizontal radius

write YES and on vertical radius write NO. sit in a comfortable

position hang the cone on the center of the circle and start gazing

the cone without any disturbance around. Then ask a simple question

like "Am i a male? if yes then start moving on Yes line and if No

then start moving on NO line" After some moments the cone will

start moving on the yes line. In the beginning the motion will be

slow and of lesser distance. Keep asking simple questions like"Is it

day now? Am I sitting at North Pole? etc etc. such questions whose

obvious answers are firm Yes or No. This exercise will start tuning

the cone to your sub-cons. You can slowly start putting long

question but with simple yes or no answer and after each question you

can give clear instructions to the pendulum that it has to move

horizontally in case it wishes to say Yes and vertically if it has to

say No and start moving in a circle if the answer is uncertain. This

training of pendulum has to continue till you start getting quick

replies correct replies and faster movements. The time depends on

one's high will power, imaginations and spiritual development.

 

Once trained fully with known answers, you can not take the

dowsing outside where u know there is a water pipe passing

underneath. Instruct the pendulum to move horizontally if there is

pipe underneath. Some such experiences and then go on asking very

simple questions of very near future.

 

In the beginning the answers may be wrong too, but if you are

getting 50% correct replies, it means the dowsing is working and it

is only a little more tuning that it would start giving abt 90%

correct replies (10% is still with god - as no dowsing can give 100%

correct replies).

 

Nachiketa