Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 The World Cycle is divided in to 4 Ages of 1250 each and the First one is called as Heaven, Satyug, Kingdom of God etc.,where the human beings are of 100% purity and are called as Deities and in the 2nd age of Silver, again the human beings are called as Deities although the level of their purity have come down. The next Age of Copper age, there were no deities and all had become human beings and Human beings started worshipping Deities of Golden and Silver Ages since they did not have the Knowledge of God and could not differentiate between God and Deities. In the End of Iron age – the 4th Age, there is complete decline in Morality and the Supreme Soul descend to Earth to give Knowledge of Beginning and End of the World Cycle. He gives the knowledge to human souls that we were the ones who were living as deities in Golden and Silver Ages and because of coming down from the 100% purity level by repeated birth and death and due to body consciousness (loss of soul consciousness), we have become Powerless human beings and again after the final death of all souls by different means of Natural Calamities, World war, famine, floods, etc., we will again become the Deity of Golden Age and Silver Age according to the effort we make following the Words, Teachings of Supreme Soul to become free from vices of Lust, Anger, Greed, ego, attachment, laziness and Body consciousness. And according to the Love of Supreme Soul and the effort we make, Human beings will worship us in the form of Deities and Angels in Copper and Iron Ages. In Truth all the gods and goddesses including Sri Krishna, Sri Rama, Sri Vishnu, Mother, Kali, Sri Lakshmi, Sri Narayan, Sri Saraswathi, Angels etc.,,… all are the deities who were/are present in this world at this point of time practicing the Teachings of Supreme Soul, making effort to practice purity in thoughts, Words and Actions. According to the efforts we make in this Confluence Age (The Age between Golden and Iron Ages), we will become Kings, Queens, Landlords, Maid servants etc., in Golden Age and Silver Ages. GATEPASS FOR HEAVEN: The Supreme Soul’s only teaching to make us Kings and Queens of Heaven and Semi Heaven (Silver Age) is to become free from the Vices of Lust, Anger, Greed, ego and attachment by “considering ourselves as souls and remembering Supreme Soul” for only One birth of this Confluence Age – (The time between Iron Age and Golden Age). By following Supreme Soul’s Teaching we will be worshipped in the form of gods, goddesses, Deities, Angels in Copper and Iron Ages by the devotees. The representation of Once 16 Celestial degree Pure Deities becoming Impure is depicted in Indian Temples showing the Deities in Black colours. The Jagannath Temple in Puri distributes rice to depict the condition of this Kali yug and Shrinathji Temple distributes Ghee to depict the condition of Golden Age. And both the Deities – Jagannath and Shrinathji are shown in Black meaning they have lost their Original purity at this point of time from being 100% pure in Golden Age. Similarly all the Shiv Temples – Amarnath, Badrinath, Somnath and Vishwanath ,the deities are depicted in black colour. Sri Krishna is also Called as Shyam Sundar meaning the Once pure (Sundar) Deity of Satyug has become impure (Shyam) in this Kaliyug and again Sri Krishna will come in Satyug as the First Prince and Sri Radha as First Princess and after ascending the throne, they will be called as Sri Lakshmi and Sri Narayan ( Called Vishnu in combined Form). For more details please visit: ShivaAllahGodReturnback godlymessenger om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote:Deities are just energies, representing the vibration of specific subtle spiritual areas. The home-regions of mantras. Each region has a different energy, deity and mantra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 The goal is not to become a Deity. Because even Deities are not free from the 3 gunas and the destruction of the causal worlds. When a cycle ends, everything under the causal and mental areas is destroyed along with the Gods and Godesses. The only way to go escape the cycle of birth and death, is to rise above the deities and become one with the atma. This way i dont want to degrade the worship of deities which is one of the most marvelous tools that we have at our disposal. It is true that at the earthly level it is difficult to achieve the spiritual heights of all avatars, higher souls, deities and gurus. I just wanted to point out that becoming a deity could not be a final goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 dear friend Until and unless we ourselves learn divine knowledge under the guidance of a Satguru, we should not get involved in the divine knowledge propagation. Otherwise it becomes propagating our ideas. But in spirituality, the word of Lord only rules. Human interpretations have no room to play. Intially we have to put some effort in identifying the Satguru, who only can remove our real ignorance by His true infinite divine knowledge. Any knowledge (physics, maths...) will not give liberation . only divine knowledge will give liberation. divine knowledge means knowledge required to identify the Lord in human form. Here we should not get carried out by the miracles and select the Satguru. After identifying Satguru, learn the divine knowledge from Him and participate in His service on His advice. Then only you can really appreciate the Lord and His blessings. Otherwise it is a mere time pass only. Neither you will get benifitted nor the reader will get benefitted. Like the studies in our materialistic life, one has to pass through elementary, higher, college and should finally enter university. After studies in University one will join job to serve the country. Like wise, one should serve Lord in human form. When there is more or less zero height difference, how come there be flow of water. Likewise when we are all equally ignorant, how can there be true knowledge in these discussions. So my dear friend identify the Lord in human form and learn the true divine knowledge. Divine knowledge is not propagation only but for implementation which only produces the results. Otherwise we will remain where we are some decades back. Nil progress. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote:The goal is not to become a Deity. Because even Deities are not free from the 3 gunas and the destruction of the causal worlds. When a cycle ends, everything under the causal and mental areas is destroyed along with the Gods and Godesses. The only way to go escape the cycle of birth and death, is to rise above the deities and become one with the atma. This way i dont want to degrade the worship of deities which is one of the most marvelous tools that we have at our disposal. It is true that at the earthly level it is difficult to achieve the spiritual heights of all avatars, higher souls, deities and gurus. I just wanted to point out that becoming a deity could not be a final goal. Spiritual path Aum Hinduism Hinduism religion Different religions beliefs Visit your group "" on the web. SURYA surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > dear friend .. > > Intially we have to put some effort in identifying the Satguru, who only can remove our real ignorance >> That is very correct. Can you please give me name of that only satguru whom I can believe and follow, in this world of fake gurus. baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 It really surprizes me and astonishes me how quick you are in judging people and in suggesting what one should do, without even knowing the other person. I dont know what gives you the authority to speak like this but I can assure you one thing, having a guru definetely does not give one automatically nor the right nor the adequate knowledge to claim superiority. All opinions have got to be heard and I am not here to preach anything, I must though speak from my experience and knowledge. Now if you do not know from where I draw my information and which the source is, that is not important. Important is to come in the discussion with real arguments. Not all people are the same, and I am sure that the ones interested in spirituality have already the foundation and the basis for a spiritual life. Materialism is a stage of life and it is highly important along with the spiritual. I have a lot of faith and I believe in what humans can achieve. The center core of every philosophy is and should be human itself. Who are you to tell me if I will write my opinion or not? I do not believe that the guru is everything. Gurus initiate all kinds of people, some of them truly admirable and some who are not very much interested in growth. It is high time we stopped basing our happiness and progress on someone else apart from ourself. For this is a major human weakness: put the blame on someone else, base YOUR happiness on someone else and be guided like a blind sheep in the flock. The guru is within and the divine potential is in every human being. There is no necessity for an intermedior to communicate with God. And yes, I do have a guru, whom I sincerely admire due to her quailty as a human and a teacher. Nevertheless I would never use her high spiritual standard in a discussion in order to raise mine... if you know what I mean > Until and unless we ourselves learn divine knowledge under the guidance of a Satguru, we should not get involved in the divine knowledge propagation. Otherwise it becomes propagating our ideas. But in spirituality, the word of Lord only rules. Human interpretations have no room to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 > That is very correct. Can you please give me name of that only > satguru whom I can believe and follow, in this world of fake gurus. > > baba That is also a very good question. A guru does not need to be one of those who have millions of disciples. We can learn from various sources, even the NATURE can be a great Guru teaching us in truly remarkable ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 , om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote: > It really surprizes me and astonishes me how quick you are in Agni Devi...i agree with you in toto Guru is important but not a pre-condition. Most of the people who frantically look for a guru are those cowards, who believe some great soul will come and will take their burden and will relieve them of their negative energies and will give them Moksha. Mother Nature is very cruel (in human moral values) and strict and does not give anything for free. Each one of us have to undertake our burden ourselves. Fight out our negativity ourselves, work out our complexes....there are no short-cuts, no over-night Moksha programmes and if any Guru claims it.... that is a proof that he is not a guru but a businessman. And Talking from my own experience, when the real desire awakens, everyone becomes our guru....even a chirping bird can teach you a sweet song of divine love !! Love and blessings baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I can only agree with you too baba. Thumbs up!! you said it all. , "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba> wrote: > , om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote: > > It really surprizes me and astonishes me how quick you are in > > Agni Devi...i agree with you in toto > > Guru is important but not a pre-condition. Most of the people who > frantically look for a guru are those cowards, who believe some great > soul will come and will take their burden and will relieve them of > their negative energies and will give them Moksha. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 dear friends You cannot analyze yourself. Only Satguru can analyze and show your internal self. You cannot see the condition of your internal organs. Only a doctor can take the x-ray photo and will show to you. Then only you can understand your own internal system. Therefore self-analysis does not mean the analysis of yourself by yourself. It means the analysis of yourself with the help of the Satguru. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote: I can only agree with you too baba. Thumbs up!! you said it all. , "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba> wrote: > , om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote: > > It really surprizes me and astonishes me how quick you are in > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 dear friend i can definitely suggest you Satguru. He is His Holiness Shri Datta Swami and fortunately He is my Satguru also. Don't be under the impression that because He is my satguru i am telling like this. This has come after experiencing His divine knowledge over a period of time. He is unique in the sense that His divine knowledge is in line with vedas, Gita, Bible, Quran and also if you observe the real devotees practial life. He always corrleates all the divine preachers (adisankara,Jesus, Krishna, Ramanuja, madhva, Prophet Mohd. ....... ) preaching without contradicting anyone. Above all that, one can experience it in life for oneself when practiced. I have seen miracles also performed by Him. The knowledge is very practical and is very difficult to follow, because truth will be harsh. All along His preaching you will find examples from your day to day life so that we can understand easily also. That is why His preaching is practical. Satguru has to be identified by His true knowledge only. Miracles are not identification marks. But satguru does miracles to protect His devotees. His knowledge is always a free flow and no contradiction in the concepts at anytime. When Lord comes in Human form His main concentration in the preaching will be where people are lacking the knowledge. If one is strong in Mathematics, what is the use of teaching him mathematics? Teach the subject where he is weak. Sofar mostly people never identified the Lord (Ofcourse other than a handful) when He came in human form like Jesus, Krishna, Mohammed, Buddha... The reason being not aware of the knowledge required for identifying Him. After identifying, next step is to please the Lord (because if I see president of my country will I get any benefit from him other than momentary happiness?) Now Shri Datta swami gave many discourses in this direction to give complete knowledge. For the first time, He included science also into religions and explaining divine knowledge scientifically to bring atheists also into the main stream of believers of Lord. As of now mostly all religions people are good in theoretical worship consisting of prayers, meditation, discussions. That is why Swamiji opened knowledge on the practical worship consisting of karma phala tyaga and karma sanyasa. Anyway foreigners are better than Indians in this practical worship. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya Baba ji <beirut_ka_baba wrote: , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > dear friend .. > > Intially we have to put some effort in identifying the Satguru, who only can remove our real ignorance >> That is very correct. Can you please give me name of that only satguru whom I can believe and follow, in this world of fake gurus. baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 If I need analysis I d prefer to go to a psychoanalyst ! ) But also a psychoanalysts only helps one realize what one already knows. Most people who live in a healthy enviroment and have normal relations with the people around them, dont need analysts of any kind. The power and potential of humans is beyond your imagination. A teacher cannot exist without the disciple and he draws his power from him. Gurus and disciples have karmic bonds that bring them together. , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > dear friends > > You cannot analyze yourself. Only Satguru can analyze and show your internal self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 dear friends An ignorant person neglects Mahatma Gandhi seeing his cheap cloth. He cannot estimate the real value of Gandhi. He will give lot of value to a cinema actor who is in a colorful dress. Similarly when the Lord comes in the human body, which follows all the rules of the nature, an ignorant person insults Him seeing the ordinary human body, since he does not recognize the value of the internal form. This is told in Gita (Avajaananti Mam Mudhaah). The Lord can make His body to be divine and above the rules of nature by His super power. But He does not do this because He does not like to violate the rules of nature, since He is the creator of those rules. One will not generally contradict His own rule and insult himself. An ordinary soul in the form of Yogi or a demon frequently exhibits his body to be beyond the rules of the nature because he is not insulted since he is not the creator of the rules of the nature. By such petty miracle the ignorant person believes such Yogi or demon as the Lord. The Lord is the ruler of Yogis (Yogeeswara). Once a saint walked on the river but Shri Rama Krishna Parahamsa who is the human incarnation of the Lord came by a boat paying one rupee. The Saint proudly told Shri Paramahamasa that he obtained the power to walk on the water by Sadhana for the past thirty years. The saint asked Paramahamsa whether He did such tedious Sadhana in His life. Paramahamsa told simply with a smile that the cost of his thirty-year-old Sadhana is one rupee!! And that He never did such cheap Sadhana. Arjuna prostrated to the feet of Lord Krishna before all the soldiers without egoism and jealousy. Krishna was a human being like Arjuna. Moreover Krishna is only the driver where as Arjuna is the owner of the chariot. Arjuna recognized the value of the internal form of Lord Krishna and therefore Krishna revealed His inner form as Viswa Roopa to Arjuna. Therefore those people who get rid of jealousy and egoism can only give the value to the human incarnation. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote: If I need analysis I d prefer to go to a psychoanalyst ! ) But also a psychoanalysts only helps one realize what one already knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > dear friend > > i can definitely suggest you Satguru. He is His Holiness Shri Datta THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTION!!! i too hv high regards for your satguru but recently someone suggested another name (see msg No. /message/6681) which reads as follows :- ------------------------- Not only us the devotees of Shri Kurupaluji Maharaj but all saints in India learned ed scholars...Religious preachers....and Kashi Vidvat Parishat...Have acknowledge that Shri Kripaluji Maharaj is Jagadgurutaam.........means Top most amongst all the previous four Jagadgurus..and Not only that HE is seen and worshiped by many many as Avatar of Chaitanya Mahapraphu......SO IN OTHER WORDS YOU CAN SAY HE IS RADHA HERSELF AND KRISHNA HIMSELF... Thats why I keep on calling you, Come to HIM and you will changed person..Dont take it as blabbering......and repeating same thing again and again.....I want you to ac hive highest Goal possible for any humans.....Come you search will be over here...Please request Shri Gasitaram ji also to come and take Shri Maharaj ji's blessing..It will be the biggest gift you can give to your Guru..You can present HIM God...I cant be more open then this... _______________________ another friend suggested me Bauji, another one suggested Mata Nirmala deviji etc etc...with the same strong words and appreciations...and my own guru Ghasitanandji says he is the only guru in the world rest all are disciples.. SO I AM IN FIX....CAN U OR ANYONE ELSE HELP ?? Dukhi and sad B A BA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 This might be true for those who you call ignorants, but I dont see many ignorant people around here. Mahatma Gandhi was a great man and even those who just know few things about history respect him. It doesnt take any vedic knowledge to know the value of Mahatma Gandhi. The question is not about the looks or the outer appearance. People nowadays are much more sophisticated than that and have enough intelligence that goes beyond physical appearances. The world advances, we are not in 1940 here. It is 2005. No, this is not where my objection about the guru matter lies and I believe I have expressed it already very clearly in my previous postings. The problem is that most of the times the worship of the guru deprives a person its will, strength and self-discipline because he relies on the guru. This way his viveka/discrimination gets passive and he becomes a fanatic. He falsely believes "the guru will meditate for me", "its all the gurus fault/grace". In my opinion, the supreme science and philosophy of yoga should liberate our minds! It should make us think beyond any intellectual limitations. Our mind should be open and have the ability of seeing beyond the dogmas and the established religion. Thus our will becomes stronger, and it is easier to follow the strick disciplines if we choose to. I believe that the beauty of YOGA is the objectivity that it can gift us, it is the freedom of body and mind and consequently the spiritual one. This is why we practice asanas, to make our body flexible. When the body is flexible, the prana flows without any energetical blockades. This way the mind functions quicker and better. This is the reason why we practice pranayama, to highlight this process. And finally this is the reason why we practice meditation. The goal is spiritual liberation and freedom, and I refuse to accept that the custom of the guru is there to deprive us from this freedom. A true guru will never require human-worship, will not even call himself a guru and he will try to help in the best way he can, without practicing power over the disciple. , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > dear friends > > An ignorant person neglects Mahatma Gandhi seeing his cheap cloth. He cannot estimate the real value of Gandhi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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