Guru Guru guru ......

[Guest guest]

friends

 

Some people desire to become Guru (Preacher) when they fail in every business.

They want to succeed in the spiritual business. Some other people have the itch

to become the Guru to get the disciples around them. But, for preaching and to

become a real Guru in this world there are three requirements.

 

 

1) You should discover a better truth in the scriptures.

 

2) Due to lack of knowledge of your discovery, people must be suffering

already.

 

3) People should get benefit on knowing your discovery.

 

If these three points are satisfied preaching is meaningful and such a preacher

is useful Guru (Satguru). If you can say, “here is a new method to get rid of

the headache without a tablet,” you can be a Satguru and your discovery needs

propagation. Such real preachers are Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, Jesus,

Mohammed, Buddha, Mahavir, Vivekananda, Saibaba etc.

 

The second type of Guru is useless Guru who preaches, “Headache disappears if

you take the medicine”. Everyone knows this. He preaches whatever is already

present in books. He is wasting his time and energy. He is only a teacher but

not a preacher.

 

The third type of Guru is harmful Guru who preaches, “If you swallow the poison

headache will disappear”. He harms the people. He does not know even the

bookish knowledge. He spreads his ignorance.

 

God will punish a harmful Guru. God does not punish a useless Guru, but he is

wasting his time and energy just to satisfy his itch to become the Guru.

Instead of wasting his lifetime like this, let him join the service to propagate

the knowledge of the Lord, who came in human form (Satguru). But, jealousy and

egoism hinder him to do so. He wants to become Sankaracharya and get his fame.

He does not want to become a disciple of Sankaracharya who is a human being like

him. He did not discover any theory like Sankaracharya but he wants to get the

fame of Sankaracharya. His egoism does not allow him to become the disciple of

Sankaracharya. He is very jealous at the fame of Sankaracharya. He wears the

dress of Sankaracharya, and shaves his head similarly. He teaches the same

theory of Sankaracharya. Then he is only a disciple of Sankaracharya but not

the original Sankaracharya.

 

No one is greater than Hanuman in any aspect like knowledge, devotion, power,

etc.. Such Hanuman participated in the service of the Lord in human form. He

did not start his own new work to uplift the world by killing some other demon

and did not want to become a hero like Rama. The reason is, he does not have

even a trace of jealousy and egoism. So he recognized the Lord in human form

and became His servant to participate in His work. Rama became Vishnu. Hanuman

became the future Brahma. Vishnu is Brahma as Veda says ‘Brahmacha Narayanah’.

This means Hanuman got the same position of Rama. So if you participate in the

service of the Satguru you will get the same position of Satguru.

 

 

So never be a harmful Guru. Don’t waste time and energy by becoming a useless

Guru. Participate in the service of the useful Guru (Satguru) as a disciple and

get the same position of that Satguru. Let every Guru and everyone who has the

itch to become Guru think about my advice and do self-examination sitting alone

with peaceful mind.

 

 

THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

 

surya

 

 

Baba ji <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

, prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

> dear friend

>

> i can definitely suggest you Satguru. He is His Holiness Shri Datta

 

THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTION!!! i too hv high regards for your

satguru but recently someone suggested another name (see msg No.

/message/6681) which reads as

follows :-

-------------------------

 

Not only us the devotees of Shri Kurupaluji Maharaj but all saints in

India learned ed scholars...Religious preachers....and Kashi Vidvat

Parishat...Have acknowledge that Shri Kripaluji Maharaj is

Jagadgurutaam.........means Top most amongst all the previous four

Jagadgurus..and Not only that HE is seen and worshiped by many many

as Avatar of Chaitanya Mahapraphu......SO IN OTHER WORDS

YOU CAN SAY HE IS RADHA HERSELF AND KRISHNA HIMSELF...

 

Thats why I keep on calling you, Come to HIM and you will changed

person..Dont take it as blabbering......and repeating same thing

again and again.....

 

another friend suggested me Bauji, another one suggested Mata

Nirmala deviji etc etc...with the same strong words and

appreciations...and my own guru Ghasitanandji says he is the only

guru in the world rest all are disciples..

 

SO I AM IN FIX....CAN U OR ANYONE ELSE HELP ??

 

Dukhi and sad

 

B A BA

[Guest guest]

thinking is better than reading

namasivayam

--- prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

 

> friends

>

> Some people desire to become Guru (Preacher) when

> they fail in every business. They want to succeed

>

[Guest guest]

, nama siva <nama_sivam> wrote:

> thinking is better than reading

> namasivayam

yES and keeping quiet is even better !

 

I think hence I exist

I exist hence I think

 

which one is correct namasivam ?

 

love

[Guest guest]

are you learning the wordly knowledge by keeping quiet or thinking or by not at

all putting any effort?

 

 

If I start the journey to God and ask the path to reach Him, nobody can show the

path because the God is invisible. An invisible goal will always have an

invisible path. Nobody can travel in invisible path. One can show the path to a

holy temple. If God exists in the statue, such path is a true path. The main

purpose of reaching God is to know the whole knowledge of yourself, the correct

path and the correct goal. The reason is that God is the best preacher since all

the matters are related to God. Therefore the Human Incarnation is the correct

place of God. The human incarnation consists of a visible human body so that the

path to reach Him also becomes visible. Since God is in the human incarnation,

by reaching that human body you have reached God. In fact God pervaded all over

the body and you have reached the God. The God becomes visible through human

body and therefore the path to reach God is also visible.

 

 

 

The main purpose to reach God is to hear the correct version of the entire

spiritual knowledge. Then through service you have to please the God. In the

case of statue, it is not preaching any trace of knowledge. Moreover when we

serve the statute it is not appearing pleased on its face. Due to these two

reasons neither God is in the statute nor God is the statute (Na tasya Pratima-

Veda). The statute in the human form is a model to indicate the human form of

the Lord. The ignorant human beings who cannot accept the human form of the God

due to egoism and jealousy can worship the statue as a training for sometime to

worship the human form of Lord in future ( Pratimahyalpa Buddhinam- Smruti). But

one should not sit in the training through out his life. If he sits in the

training only, he is born as an inert object like stone (Bhutejya yanti- Gita)

 

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

 

 

Baba ji <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

, nama siva <nama_sivam> wrote:

> thinking is better than reading

> namasivayam

 

yes thinking is better than reading...AND KEEPING QUIET IS BETTER

THAN THINKING ?

 

ISN'T IT NAMASIVAM ?

[Guest guest]

All are correct

nothing is wrong

Everything represents the universe

namasivayam

 

 

--- Baba ji <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

>

> I think hence I exist

> I exist hence I think

>

> which one is correct namasivam ?

>

[Guest guest]

, nama siva <nama_sivam> wrote:

> All are correct

> nothing is wrong

> Everything represents the universe

> namasivayam

 

And in my opinion none of them is correct! existence does not need

cluthces of thinking....rather it is with the vanishing of thought

process, that we reach the realms of EXISTENCE

 

baba

[Guest guest]

Namaste _/\_ all.

 

yaM zaivAH samupAsate ziva iti brahmeti vedAntino

bauddhA buddha iti pramANa-paTavaH kartei naiyAyikAH |

arhann ity atha jaina-zAsanaratAH karmeti mImAMsakAH

so'yaM no vidadhAtu vAJchita-phalaM trailokya-nAtho hariH ||

 

May Hari, the Lord of the universe, the remover of evil –

Whom the devotees of Shiva worship as Shiva,

the Vedantins as Brahman,

the Buddhists as Buddha,

the followers of Nyaya Philosophy who are clever in logic as the

Agent, those devoted to the Jaina doctrines as Arhat,

the ritualists of the Mimamsa school as Karma –

may He grant us all our heart's desires.

 

Jaya Sri Radhey!

 

, nama siva <nama_sivam> wrote:

> All are correct

[Guest guest]

Namaste. _/\_ Happy Guru-vaar to all.

 

"A Rabbi was asked to adjudiciate a case.

The first man presented his argument and the

rabbi after hearing his evidence said to him,

"You are right."

 

Then the second man presented his arguement and the rabbi after

hearing his evidence said,

"You are right."

 

At this point, the rabbi's wife turned to her husband and asked,

"How can both of these men be right? "

 

The Rabbi thought for a moment, and then said,

"Dear one, you are right !"

 

Jaya Sri Radhey!

 

, "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba>

wrote:

> , nama siva <nama_sivam> wrote:

> > All are correct

 

> > namasivayam

>

> And in my opinion none of them is correct!

>

> baba

[Guest guest]

This was sent to me via email. I couldn't help sharing it with my

satsangh. Is this the face of Bhakti? I wonder what Kripaluji

Maharaaj would say to this kind of behavior? At least my path teaches

me not to blame the the message for the limitations of the messenger!!

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

 

 

--- "dr. jaya" <dr.jaya wrote:

 

> Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:28:19 -0000

> "dr. jaya" <dr.jaya

> tatwamasi, tatwamasi

> Fwd: [DivineLove] Re: Guru Guru Guru ......

>

> divinelove2, "Chandrashekhar"

> <shreeradha>

> wrote:

> I think you also suffer from the same disease.

> Otherwise what's preventing you from accepting Shri Kripaluji

> Maharajaji as your Guru?

>

> Give it a thought sitting anywhere, you will realise the

> mistake!

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

> Here is another response to the same message of the same

> member in

> your group.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote:

> This was sent to me via email. I couldn't help sharing it with my

 

do you remember one member "who make sense" hurled insults on me in

the same tone, forcing me to become chela of kripaluji maharaj. Now

Pyari is also his cheli, but she never uses this language.

 

I think these people are actually enemies of KRIPALUJI and are

making people against him.

 

Huye tum dost jiske

Dushman uska asman kyon ho

 

 

YOu know that z the difference between Positive and Negative

energies. Negative energies sometimes come in guise of good

samartians.

 

Negative energies try to force their thoughts on you....they try

to forcibly change your life style out of jealousy,or some complex or

just to bring you down.

 

Whereas a positive energy around you will not be forceful, it will

continue its working meekly on your psyhche and one fine day you will

find you have changed towards good.

 

Negativity is strong, forceful, dominating...but short lived.

Positivity is comforting, non-dictating, loving...and long lived.

 

You might have seen in this group, many Hidimbas, self-proclaimed

gurus, so called Avtaars and staunch chelas of some Guru-ghantals

came and tried to shake the belief of others...but they died young

death.

 

Whereas the positive constructive forces (like Pyariji,

radhakutirji,jyotishguruji,rajag and many others) are still spreading

their message...without force, without hate, without dominating

 

love and blessings

 

baba

[Guest guest]

Namaste _/\_ all.

 

A few years ago when I was on my pilgrimage to Vrindavan, India, we

stayed at 'Shyama Shyam Dham Ashram' with Sri Kripaluji Maharaj.

Vrindavan hosts many devotees of Lord Krishna belonging to different

Gurus and Sampradayas.

 

Not all spiritual seekers are tolerant and mature enough to give

respect to other faiths. One follower of Jnana path started arguing

with Maharaj ji denouncing the path of 'Prema Bhakti and Gopis'.

 

The ashram devotees were very upset loosing their tempers at this

kind of disrespectful behavior and boiling with anger, just waiting

for the approval of Maharaj ji to get rid of this individual as soon

as possible.

 

But Sri Maharaj ji patiently heard all his comments for half an hour

without loosing his peaceful composure and child like innocence.

Sri ji even listened to his critic's interpretations of Scriptures

with amusement, like the parents enjoying the babbling of their

young children.

 

When the critic got tired of his own speech, Sri Maharaj ji kindly

offered him 'prasad' consisting of tea and snacks, affectionately

bidding him farewell.

 

I've witnessed the ways of a Mahapurusha, God realized Saint's

gracious behavior towards his critics and very much satisfied.

For a sincere seeker, it is always spiritually beneficial to go

for the direct association of the Saint instead of judging the

messengers.

 

Jaya Sri Radhey!

 

, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote:

> I wonder what Kripaluji

> Maharaaj would say to this kind of behavior? At least my path

teaches

> me not to blame the the message for the limitations of the

messenger!!

>

> _/\_ Tat twam asi

>

> Uma

[Guest guest]

Namaste _/\_ all.

 

Sant Kabir said:

 

guru bichara kya kare,

sikkhahi mahi chuk;

bhawe tyon parbodhiye,

bans bajaye phunk.

 

What can the poor Guru do if the disciple has faults;

He gives knowledge but it becomes useless,

just as a broken flute does not produce music.

 

Commentary :

 

The disciple must have faith, courage,

and patience on the path of God.

He must accept discriminative spiritual knowledge from

the Guru, keep it ever in his mind and try to practice.

If he does not, the Guru cannot be blamed,

because the Guru can only guide,

but the disciple has to walk himself.

 

 

Jaya Sri Radhey!

 

, pyari_h <no_reply> wrote:

 

> I've witnessed the ways of a Mahapurusha, God realized Saint's

> gracious behavior towards his critics and very much satisfied.

> For a sincere seeker, it is always spiritually beneficial to go

> for the direct association of the Saint instead of judging the

> messengers.

[Guest guest]

If students didn't have faults, (ignorant about the Truth), who would

be there for Guru's to teach? If there was no poverty how would one

learn compassion or acceptance? If there was no sickness, how would one

learn to honor the body - temple of the soul? If there was no bad

times, how would one experiencialy learn to deal with diversity?

 

We need to repeatedly thank all people for providing us with

opportunities to burn our Karma and sow new karmic seeds of positive

consequences.

 

The Guru's job IS to tune the broken flute .. otherwise he has no work

at all!!!

 

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

 

 

, pyari_h <no_reply> wrote:

 

> What can the poor Guru do if the disciple has faults;

> He gives knowledge but it becomes useless,

> just as a broken flute does not produce music.

>

[Guest guest]

I see nothing working on you............I may have beem wrong in my approch....

 

You need Kripa.......Please pray for that...

 

Radhe Radhe

 

Baba ji <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

do you remember one member "who make sense" hurled insults on me in

the same tone, forcing me to become chela of kripaluji maharaj.

[Guest guest]

Looks like adishakti aka roopika aka totally useless aka

gypseyqueenbee etc etc.. there is a long list of IDs associated with

this one is back again. She must love us a lot. Afterall, the

incredible behavior this individual is assocaited with are a form of

love too isn't it!

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

 

, Totally useless

<who_make_sense> wrote:

>

> I see nothing working on you............I may have beem wrong in my

approch....

>

> You need Kripa.......Please pray for that...

>

, pyari_h <no_reply> wrote:

>

> Namaste all.

>

> Hello adi shakti! Nice to see you again on this board too.

>

> The end verse of every stanza of this stotra ends with:

> "jaya jaya he! mahiSAsura mardini! ramya kapardini, zaila sute!"

> And the meaning is entirely different from what you wrote,-

> 'Be victorious, be victorious,

 

, "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba>

wrote:

>

> do you remember one member "who make sense" hurled insults on me in

> the same tone, forcing me to become chela of kripaluji maharaj.

Now

> Pyari is also his cheli, but she never uses this language.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:30:04 -0000

"adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16

"Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi

Re: Guru Guru guru ......

 

hey uma!

 

be careful b4 you blame someone unecessarily

 

i am not 'totally useless' that is not my id

 

just as all silentsouls ids' vsnished along with him mine also

did !

 

now i post only in my adi_ shakthi16 id

 

and roopika is my id i came in that id only because u banned my

adi_shakthi id that's all

 

 

 

that is a name i would not even dream of for an id. i consider

myself

very useful! smile!

 

smile!

 

so b4 you point your accusing finger at someone , think twice

dear

 

love

[Guest guest]

, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote:

 

Cant we use these energies in a positve constructive way ??.

 

The ID we chose reflects, the inner desire we have in our sub-consc

levels....and i am sure adhi-shakti will become Poori shakti by

spreading love and peace with her id.

 

with love

 

baba

[Guest guest]

Namaste all _/\_ .

 

Adi shakti aka roopika devi has never identified herself as a devotee

of Jagadguru Sri Kripaluji Maharaj unlike 'who makes sense' aka

'totally useless' who has posted for the readers some of Sri Kripaluji

Maharaj's teachings earlier. So I believe for sure these two persons

are different and not the same.

There is a vast difference in the content of their posts too.

 

Jaya Sri Radhey!

 

, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote:

>

>

> Looks like adishakti aka roopika aka totally useless aka

> gypseyqueenbee etc etc.. there is a long list of IDs associated with

> this one is back again. She must love us a lot. Afterall, the

> incredible behavior this individual is assocaited with are a form of

> love too isn't it!

>

> _/\_ Tat twam asi

>

> Uma