Mera Bharat Mahaan !! Can we change destinty? - - -

[Guest guest]

dear friend

 

as per your statement, true meditation is watching the mind movements.

 

It means you are observing your mind, then where is the devotion coming into

the picture. infact, in your meditation, there is no God nor divine knowledge or

nor devotion or nor service, but you are becoming directly God.

 

It means without any divine knowledge and devotion, you are becoming God. Are

you not finding this as climax of absurdity?

 

Devotion means love on Lord and service is the proof of our devotion.

Without touching the concept of God you are becoming God. I don't agree to

this.

 

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

[Guest guest]

Hi Udaykumar,

 

Its great that you explained in detail what happens during meditation.

Thanks. It is something I would like to have done but thought it would

have been useless. It is not useless for we are not trying to

persuade anyone into anything.

 

Bhakti yoga is also a way of entering the spiritual regions and making

the mind more subtle. However it is generally accepted that bhakti

yoga can be more effective when combined with Raja Yoga. That is the

meaning of Sadhana to develope all aspects of our being, emotional,

mental and energetical in order to function in our natural perfect

state. That is what is nirvana or moksha. The state for which human

has been actually "designed" for, the great hidden potential we have.

Vivekananda also used the metaphore of the bird to show the importance

of yogas. He advised yogis to be like a bird, have Bhakti Yoga as one

wing, Jnana Yoga as the other wing, and Raja Yoga as the guiding

tailfeathers.

 

When it comes to Sadguru, the term has been widely misunderstood. I do

not give respect to those who demand it for usually they are just into

power and controlling the masses through brainwashing. There are true

Sadgurus out there who might even have no followers but can help

someone spiritually. These are very rare people and one is lucky to

meet such ones. I personally have a guru, to whom I owe much due to

the initiation and inspiration I received. I see my guru more as a

normal teacher though and not as a God. Even if she has attained a

state of communion with the divine source, I consider it a blasphemy

to utter such a thing. To judge whether one has attained moksha or

not, one should have achieved the state of nirguna samadhi onesself.

So judging the spiritual state of someone is like claiming divinity.

Apart from recognising the obvious frauds of course. There are

numerous ones in the spiritual market.

 

Real gurus do not support fanatism and do not demand that their

students become their slaves in mind, spirit and heart. True gurus

help their disciples discover their own potential and reach the same

level as them. They free their students rather than enslaving them.

 

Finally, a guru can be anything. Mother nature can come and teach us

in marvelous ways. Friends, internet, tv can be our guru for a moment.

Our own karma, thoughts and emotions can be our guru. Its high time we

saw things with an open mind and enjoy the great possibilities of this

universe without been fanatised in a specific system and guru.

 

 

, "udaykumar S.K." <udaykumar001>

wrote:

>

> Prakki I totally disagree the statements by swamiji as

> for as true meditation is concerned.

>

> Meditation ends with samadhi which is the deepest

> level of meditation where the "ego" is vanished and

> sheer self existance is left which also goes away and

> a soul is disbursered into universal existance which

> we call as god.(the supreme power)

>

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