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[Guest guest]

if the knowledge you are telling is true, then first of all it should be

universal. it should not contradict if you see any real devotees life or any

scripture (preaching of Lord in human form like Krishna, Jesus,Prophet, Adi

Sankara ...... ).

 

Gospel of Datta Swami (SWAMI) On Guru Purnima

 

Today all of you have surrendered Gurudakshina in the form of some money at My

feet for the sake of propagation of divine knowledge and devotion to Lord Datta.

The full moon today represents gold or a silver coin (money), which you have to

surrender to Guru as ‘Gurudakshina’. Every month, you have to do this on every

full moon day and this is reminded by the full moon. But every human being

cannot be a Guru. He shall be a ‘Sadguru’ which means the Lord in human form.

Only then your money is properly utilized. The money proves your real love. To

whom are you giving the money? To your children. So, your real love is on your

children. Simple and straight test. If you have real love on the Lord, you will

give that money to the Lord. No more argument. This is the practical test.

Prayers by words and meditation by mind are only the ways to prove your devotion

on God to others, which is not real. Ofcourse, they act as side pickles if the

main item i.e., rice is present in the meal. The

main item here is Gurudakshina, which is called as ‘karma phala tyaga' i.e.,

sacrificing the fruit (money) of your work for the sake of God. Without the

‘Gurudakshina’, simply by singing and thinking about God is like offering a meal

plate in which only pickles are present. You should recognize the ‘Sadguru’ so

that your Gurudakshina does not go waste and misused.

 

The ‘Sadguru’ is to be recognized by the infinite true knowledge possessed by

Him. Veda says, “Satyam Jnanam ..”, which means that the Lord in human form

should be recognized by His true and infinite knowledge. The four greatest

statements from the four Vedas also say the same. The first three statements say

that God appears in human form like me, like you and like Him. The last

statement says that such human incarnation is recognized by His special

knowledge. Even scholars give knowledge but their knowledge gives you a

headache. The knowledge of the Lord touches your heart and gives you immense

pleasure as said by the Veda, “Anando Brahma”. So, by His blissful knowledge,

you can recognize the Lord like the fire is recognized by heat. Miracles are not

His identity marks. Miracles are performed even by demons like Ravana etc. They

are the jewels of the Lord, which are taken by the demons through rigid penance.

Demons are also the foolish children of the Lord. So He gives those

jewels to the demons as they do penance for them. But by these jewels, demons

could not become God, as they could not get His inherent quality i.e., blissful,

true and infinite knowledge. Demons claimed that they are God. But sages did not

agree for the same reason.

 

The entire ‘Bhagavat Gita’ stresses on this ‘Karma phala tyaga’. The first

hymn of the first Upanishad (Esavasyam) says that you should return the extra

money you have earned to the lord, which is not permitted by Him. It says that

this entire world is His wealth only. Gopikas donated the fruit of their whole

work viz., butter to the Lord in human form (Krishna), avoiding even their

children and reached the 15th uppermost world called ‘Goloka’. They also

surrendered their bodies to the Lord. This body is also the fruit of your

previous action called ‘Prarabdha’. By this, they sacrificed even justice and

did not even fear for Hell. Their love to the Lord was the highest and so the

Lord granted the highest world to them. Their Gurudakshina was everything i.e.,

their money (butter), their bodies, their minds, their words etc., and what not?

 

posted by: His servant

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote:

Ok, lets see what happens during thinking. While thinking, clouds of our

thoughts are emitted from our brain in the atmosphere. Our aura changes.

Thoughts are just another kind of energy. The more prana you

assign to them the stronger they become. Continuous thinking on a single subject

can be seen in the aura. This kind of energy has the characteristic that it

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote:

>

> Swami Vivekananda left his family and participated in the divine

knowledge propagation.This is an example of Karma sanyasa and no trace

of meditation in that.

 

Vivekananda was shown the truth by Paramhansa and then vivekananda

went for meditation and entered into samadhi at Vivekananda Rock in

Kanyakumar, It is only after attaining samadhi that he went to

propagate the truth !!

 

 

> A householder has to do both karma phala tyaga (donating money for

 

Karam Phala Tyaga is not donatiing money as you wrote

Karama = actions

phala = results

tyaga = renunciation

thus karam phal tyaga is renunciating the results of karma, which is

the path of Gita

[Guest guest]

You do not really know what to say. Once you are saying one thing and

the next posting the other one. Decide firstly which is the most

clever way to steal the money of your "devotees", with a decent and

clever cosmology and theology, because this way you are not going to

collect enough money as nobody will believe you. Demanding money for

spiritual knowledge is rediculous. Those who want money to guide

people are frauds. This is the first time of a sect and nobody is

going to trust you. The times when people were easily misused and

misguided are over. We are in the era of Aquarius, Science and free

thinking.

 

" If you have real love on the Lord, you will

give that money to the Lord. No more argument."

 

No more argument? Hahaha!! I do not think that the lord has any need

of material goods and money. If I give my money to the guru then God

wiill have none of it. So if the Lord wants my money, he had better

come himself to ask for it!!

 

 

"Prayers by words and meditation by mind are only the ways to prove

your devotion

on God to others, which is not real."

 

You were the one who was claiming before that thinking on the lord is

not a waste. I explained you scientifically what happens during

thinking, you are not in position to grasp that nor to discuss on

specific matters. You just keep singing your poem.

 

I would like to warn all people who read these messages in this group,

for there are a lot of people out there who will do anything to get

your money. Never listen to anyone who obliges you to give money, we

are not in a spiritual market here, knowledge is given freely to those

who are ready and deeply desire it. Unfortunately there are much more

fake masters out there. Some general rules about how not to become a

victim of them:

 

1. True spiritual teachers never oblige you or force to do anything.

They give you all the freedom you can have.

 

2. True spiritual teachers do not claim to be God.

 

3. True spiritual teachers never demand money in such an arrogant way

 

" If you have real love on the Lord, you will

give that money to the Lord. No more argument."

 

4. Money given to gurus or institutions is solely to support the

ashrams or for doing charity and is never obligatory. Except for

taking regular classes in yoga and lectures which have to be paid for

the time of the lecturer and the rent of the room, initiations into

spiritual secrets should never require money. Time can be bought,

knowledge can never be bought.

 

 

 

 

 

, prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> if the knowledge you are telling is true,

[Guest guest]

Seems you havent read "Raja-Yoga Or conquering the internal nature" by

Vivekananda. I also have sources about his association with tantra but

I do not wish to disclose here.

 

 

, prakki surya <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> Swami Vivekananda [..] is an example of Karma sanyasa and no trace

of meditation in that.

[Guest guest]

You yourself has agreed that meditation was only preliminary level of worship.

Latter on Vivekananda spent His time in the propagation of divine knowledge and

during that time He did not do any meditation.

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Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami

 

The word karma in the case of a human being means the work done to earn money,

which is essential for his food and offering the food to the guest. Money

required for the self and his family is called ‘sareera yatra’ in Gita. Money

required to prepare food to offer to the guest is called ‘yajna karma’. The word

karma in Gita was used in these two meanings in the context of a human being

(sareera yatra pichate, yajnah karma samudbhavah). Therefore the fruit of the

work means only money.

 

The first mantra of the first Upanishad speaks about enjoyment and sacrifice

of money (kasyasvit dhanam). The mantra says that the entire creation is the

wealth of the Lord and one should store the money for his minimum enjoyment and

the rest should be sacrificed to the Lord who comes in the human form for His

mission to uplift this world. The second mantra says that one should

continuously work and earn. Vasista said that money is the root of all this

worldly family bonds (Dhanamulamidam jagat). When money is absent all the family

members will leave you. All the family members and relatives approach you only

due to money just like the frogs are present in the tank when it is full of

water.

 

The ‘Srichakram’ means the wheel that surrounds the money. Therefore when the

sacrifice of money comes into the picture, all the fraud devotees will run away

because in their hearts the attraction to the family bonds exists as solidified

darkness. Only the true devotees will stand, in whose hearts the darkness is

removed and the light of divine knowledge exists. The Lord came in human form

and tested ‘Saktuprasta’ in the sacrifice of the food, which is another form of

money. In draught he could secure a little flour and he was fasting for the past

ten days. He was not tested in any other way of words and mind (japa, parayana,

dhyana etc.). A real devotee will stand in this root test and this is the real

fire test.

 

If the bond with the money is cut, all the worldly bonds are cut, since money

is the root of this whole ‘samsara’. The fraud devotees want to escape this test

and therefore interpreted the ‘karmaphala’ as the fruit of prayers, japa,

parayana, dhyana etc. The eyes in this world not at all see such fruit.

Therefore such fruit of work done by words and mind is unreal. There is no

difficulty to sacrifice such unreal fruit. Therefore they misinterpreted the

‘karmaphalatyaga’ as leaving a spoon of water in the plate after doing such work

by words and mind. Some people have fooled the ignorant people by doing such

works and get the ‘Gurudakshina’. They are selling the unreal fruit for the

real money, by promising that the fruits of their sins will be removed and

results of good deeds, which were not done, will be attained.

 

posted by: His servant

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

tantra_rag <no_reply> wrote:

Vivekananda was shown the truth by Paramhansa and then vivekananda went for

meditation and entered into samadhi at Vivekananda Rock in Kanyakumar, It is

only after attaining samadhi that he went to propagate the truth !!

 

Karam Phala Tyaga is not donatiing money as you wrote

 

thus karam phal tyaga is renunciating the results of karma, which is the path of

Gita

 

 

 

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