Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Reaching to lokas through "bhakti" Dear, These tips may be usefull to you if you want to achieve liberation through bhakti. Fundamentally you should have the clarity that since these all gods,residents of diif.lokas etc. ranging from bhuv to satya loka have forms,they have all the characteristics(gunas) more or less.They have all likes and dislikes.Since they have become gods they need devotees,they become proudfull of the devotee when they get one.Thats why god is said to be "bhaktabhimani"(proudfull of devoteee).These gods have huger of true feelings(bhava).Since the form is the single or along with other bonds left with them.They are not in liberated state.When you worship say lord Krishna you are worshiping the god in form therefore you will reach upto where lord krishna had reached in form state.You wont be getting liberation even when you get diluted into krishna form state.You need to come back to earth ,do further sadhna ,and get liberated.This is reason of "incarnations".These gods are pleased with hospitality and poojas.Since all of your devotion is directed to them it leads you to that particular loka.For some people this achievement is liberation,Since they can stay there doing bhakti until the night of "parabrahman" or if wanted can come down to earth , serve mankind, and get liberated. While going for "lokapravesh" (entering into loka) by bhakti, Your first try should be to please the respected god or goddes. 1.If you want to do bhakti of say"Lord Krishna", at the start you have to invite him with very very due respect from his loka to your place where you want him to come and stay.His loka is never far away since it is here only but at different plane,even he is away they travel with thought speed.After your true heartfull invitation anyone in "lord krishna" form who has achieved "sarupya"mukti will come at your place.They have all equal characteristics and powers lord krishna had.They seem many but are one internally. 2.Since you have not seen him,you can put something like statue or photo which will exactly remind you about him. 3.You should request him to stay at your place as you desire him either permanently or during performing pooja"worship" time only. 4."the ringing of bells"(ghantanada) is the indication of calling the gods.Generally these gods gets attracted by "mantras" which are chanting there name.Everybody in the world gets pleased with his own name when somebody calls him by that name.Suppose you say "krishna krishna" he will get attracted by that name.They will see whats going on there and if the depth of the devotee is pure they stay there.They will enjoy the stay if your feelings are true otheriwse they will go away even if you are murmering or saying in loud his name without devotion. 5.Before inviting him you should select a specfic nice and clean place in your home where you want him to stay.Then after invitation give him a nice seat (asana)and request him to get seated.Initially the god will come after you call him and as per your request for accepting your offers,they accept.The feelings should be true.If you have regular devotion the stay there permanently or they will go away to other place. 6.You should know what the god likes and dislikes.Offer the god dhup,deep whatever best you can offer to him.Then you should say "god please accepet this " while offering. 7.Since as per your request he has come and suppose you want to stay him permanently in your home,tell him that and accordingly you should be always taking care of his likes and dislikes. 8.You can tell all happenings in the home and things related to you to him,serve him by making him bath everyday,offering oil,scents, etc offering him nice clothes,etc. 9.Since he is a member of your family and because of his superiority, you should make him your family leader, every decision has to be told to him and request to be made for his guidence. 10.Always While going outside of house you should ask for his permission and request for his blessings like we ask for our elders in house.You can put some formal aarti or something like that. 11.If anything new comes into your home you should show him and then use it.for example If you get new clothes let him wear them first and then you wear.Also the food being a family leader you should offer him first and then you eat.These gods have "dristibhog"means pleased by seeing the things,you just show them and request them to accept the things. Here roll of lord ganapati comes.If some other souls see that offerings before your god sees them,it wont be accepted by your god and had to prepared new one.Therefore prior to performing pooja Lord ganapati is requested to move away all these other souls from the area so that there is no hurdle like this is there in pooja or worshiping this god. 13.Discuss with him your family matters and ask him to do the needfull.You can sing nice songs for him,or play some of his favorite musics like "ragasangit"etc.for him. 14.If you are outside of home,while eating also remember him and offer the food before you eat so that it is eaten by him and is blessed with his appearance. 15.Fix a specific time for meating with him so that he will be available to you and listen to your request and act upon it.If sometime you miss the time tell him the change in programme. 16.Greet and salute him daily is the morning immediately you wake up so that its very usefull to get reminded by him all the days. 17.You can go to the places like temples where he is staying and receivings the offerings by devotees and meet him. Since he is staying now in your home,the home becomes temple and because of his stay only miracles start happening. The god first shower you with mateial benifits which further will be helpfull to strengthen the bonds of devotion with him.If your request of seeing him or going to his loka is unshaken ,he will further help you by removing hurdles in opening of your devine eye and take you to the resp.loka. The way you are interested in him he also is interested to take care of you and its proportional. Ultimately do whatever ultimate you do for your beloved one's.Dont mix up the supremo with these gods otherwise its confusion and confusion wont lead anywhere. Further to that "Eka BHakti Vishistate" Single Devotion specilises" means devotion with single god only deepens and give results. You should definately try this and see the results.This is one way of reaching to specific loka. --- prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > dear friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 , om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote: > Dear Surya has not replied to any of my question put forward with a real need to understand his view-point. I am more than sure he is not even understanding what he himself is writing, because it is merely a cut-n-paste phenomenon, what to talk of our own questions. Thanks Surya anyway Dear Devi, Can we share the differences and similarities between Tantra and Yoga. One gr8 soul told me Patanjali's yoga sutras are nothing but a purged version of Tantra, which had lost its pride by then and was revived by Patanjali and later by Gorakshnath, cutting away the 5 Ms and other sexual experiments. How far this can be true ? As far as I have understood Tantra, it is a complete path to Moksha, and no other path be it Bhakti, Gyan, or karma, compete with Tantra as bhakti etc are offshoots of Tantra itself, which explains everything in the universe with love baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Devi you are doing unjustice to the "rishis" who have searched the truth through meditation. You say all science roots from tantra looks impracticle. The true seekers of "self" never mind its tantra or yoga,on physical appearances of the things.They go through it and find out. The people who dont do the things,get overloaded only with text knowledged & close hearted keep on finding faults.They are like the people going to gold mines and coming out with shit it their hand and saying people'hey look,what i brought"this is their achievement. --- om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote: > Dear Babaji, > > I have heard this from people I trust in spiritual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Dear babaji, As per my opinion "tantra " is a tool equally usefull for liberation as well as entering deep into "maya". The tantra needs highly intellectuall capacity to erase the bonds of maya by inviting the most strong bond of "sexuality" alongwith others.It is the try of letting the mind retarded from "bhogaasakti"(the desire of having material satisfaction". because of which our ancestors blamed it,even knowing is is one of the true routes.Since commmon people can not do it.You can see the outcome of tantra now. Since there are other "satva" paths are available and were easy for common people to follow they suggested them. The only true sadguru knows which is usefull tool for a deceple to follow and he suggests that to him. Some techniques like"vajroliUrdhvaretan" are usefull techniques which are come from tantra path only. The sexual intercourse can be used to gain "virya"which increases "ojas" by these tantrik methods. --- Baba ji <beirut_ka_baba wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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