In defence of Hindu gurus

[Guest guest]

, deepak u <deepak_upillai> wrote:

>

This is a pity that communistic SH** which has been cleaned from CIS

and USSR, is enthroned in India.

 

Nehru alongwith his communist friends has damaged the very basis of

hinduism in 50 years, which Moguls and English could not do in 100s of

years.

 

But a revival is on the horizon, i see the light shining and

enveloping the world

 

This is aquarian era, and no one can be fooled by any dogmas

 

with love

[Guest guest]

There is enough blame for the decline of the purity of the religion

to go around many times over. I wouldn't get carried away rushing

from one extreme to another. The period that saw the rise of many

alternative paths, jainism, buddhism, sikhism, etc etc all were

ushered in by the decline within.

 

The strength of a religion lies in how the followers walk the talk,

how they live the truths they supposedly follow. The sincerity of

its practitioners (not fanaticism), whether its bringing people

together or creating divisiveness, whether it is helping people to

lead positive lives, how it treats each other specially its

disadvantaged and needy; how it takes responsibility for its own

actions - its folllowers and the lives they lead that are

ambassadors who will help regain the status of the religion. A

disproportionate ammount of time is spent on pointing fingers

at 'all those bad guys out there who are out to get us', instead of

attempts at unifying/ straightening /cleaning up our own house so

that it is restored to its potential shine!

 

I haven't followed the details of the Swami Ramdev's case, except

that he has had to withdraw many a claim because of people falling

sick. While his program is wonderful, (I follow his DVDs myself) I

recognize the responsibility on healthcare professionals,

traditional or otherwise, to make sure that informaton is given

appropriate to the audience and their consciounsness. He is

certainly not responsible for the stupidity of the followers, but he

needs to give sufficient public warnings of the consequences of not

following the practices exactly as suggested. It is for this reason

that serious Yoga therapists, refuse to give general prescriptions.

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

 

, deepak u <deepak_upillai>

wrote:

>

> In defence of Hindu gurus

>

> January 09, 2006:http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/09franc.htm

>

>

[Guest guest]

, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote:

>

> There is enough blame for the decline of the purity of the religion

>

It is not a question of decline of purity of a religion. It is a

political issue, why every one in the world tries to mock at Hindus ?

why our deities are printed on shoes, WCs, footmats ? Why our gurus

are painted black ? Rajneesh (osho), Mahesh Yogi, Mata Nirmala Devi,

Ramdev etc etc etc...why is it that their legs are pulled by media

and intellectuals (read idiot communists). why in our Higher

Secodary books children are being taught " Sikh gurus were

lootersAurangzeb was a secular king", "Mahavir was never

bornKrishna and Rama are imaginery stories"....you are living far

away from India and dont know the ground realities. Are All islamic

gurus pure souls ? Are not church masters blamed for sodomy ? but

these things are not discussed in media...and at least

christians/muslims dont relish these claims as we hindus do.

 

When we were in a time when we had to pay taxes for being Hindus

in our own country (called Zazia), how could we have

progressed...while we had no time save ourselves from the tyranny of

invaders. I dont wish to critisize anyone, but these questions need

answers from our own self. If Hindu thought is not Truth...Mother

nature will destroy it herself, no need of moguls or english or

communists.

 

If we see this episode from another angle, as per ancient Greek

philosophy, which says there is a dark force called "Jealousy of

gods". This dark force, is looking for any one who is trying to

cross limits set for human beings...hence any one trying to be the

bravest, or the most cruel, or the most kind or the most unkind,

becomes pray of the Dark Force. This force, as per Greeks, gives

these people long rope, encourage them in their zeal for superiority

and then dashes on them, and finish them in one go either by creating

alien environment around them or by creating another force equally

opposite, but more powerful than them. If we see any great leader or

any great saint or any dreaded terrorist, no one could escape from

the dark force...socrates, christ, osho, martin luther king, and even

Hitler, musolinis, and who knows soon a new name of laden will be

added.

 

tha z why Greeks always believed in moderation and never tried

to cross the limits set by mother nature, to avoid the anger of the

Dark Force. Ram Dev have enjoyed a lot of fame and name...and had to

meet his waterloo...

 

 

baba

[Guest guest]

Dear Sadhakas,

I just cant understand the hue and cry about Ramdeva's

alleged "medicines". Is this single case where medinices made from

animal sources had been manufactured, adminstered and admired.If the

manufacturing is defying some rules of the Drug Act, then let the law

take it's own course. And merely accusations dont make anything worth

discussion in this forum of some real learned and realised persons.

I suggest that the chaptyer may be closed and let us focus our

attention to Tantra v/s "disguised tantra of Kriya Yoga

or "Gorakhpanthi Yoga" which might unveil the misunderstanding about

Tantric traditions.

Love

Satish

[Guest guest]

I would like to address 2 points

 

1. Why communints remaned throned in india

2.Hindu disunity

 

firstly the communists ...

 

For communists communism is a religion

Being from WB i have observd that CPI(M) supporters are fanatical in there

support for the party . No matter what the party or its leaders do or say they

support with out questioning exactly like muslims support love for there

religion. in no other party have i seen this to such an extent definitly not

Congress or BJP (they are always infighting and critising each other in public)

Communists articulate the daily need of the poor very well , the hunger of

poor is a great weapon in the hands of communists world over not just india

 

It is the combination there formidable organizational strength and the super

capability to manupulate the Hunger/distress of the poor that keeps the commies

on the thron.

 

second point

 

Hinduism is a evolved religion unlike the other to bigs which has one leader

one book

for all to follow and there diktat is imposed on all its followers.

when ever you need to impose anything you need force and to generate that

force you need unity so you see fanatical unity in religious matters specially

in muslims.

 

since question of imposing anything did not arise in Hinduism so unity in

religious matters did not develop. It is evident through out indian history not

just to day.

 

The Libarel many path approach of hindus meant there never developed a

central authority in hinduism.

secondly hinduism is pluralistic by nature it always encouraged debate and

testing of facts

 

 

Also belif in Karma plays a part ... well if some one is suffering(even if he

is a guru) it is because of his own karma so why bother is the attitude.

 

I am sure if one fine morning The commies & Congs realized that 80% of hindus

will turn against them if they continued with there curent policys then they

will make an about turn. It is only there bluff master politics.

 

but as you said the future looks bright

 

love

 

 

Baba ji <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

, deepak u <deepak_upillai> wrote:

>

This is a pity that communistic SH** which has been cleaned from CIS

and USSR, is enthroned in India.

 

Nehru alongwith his communist friends has damaged the very basis of

hinduism in 50 years, which Moguls and English could not do in 100s of

years.

 

But a revival is on the horizon, i see the light shining and

enveloping the world

 

This is aquarian era, and no one can be fooled by any dogmas

 

with love

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I have no information on the case you quote, maybe you could provide

us with some links on articles about the facts of the story and the

accusations.

 

In any case, if there is really a persecution of Hinduism this is

against human rights and the universal democratic principle of the

free choice of religion. This reminds me a similar case in Greece

which has taken the attention of amnesty international. In that case a

famous scholar who founded a study group on Rumi in Greece has been

sentensed. Read more here:

 

http://viruswitch.blogspot.com/2005/12/black-list-of-shame-and-new.

html

 

and

 

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engEUR250242005?open&of=eng-GRC

 

Communism in India? Hell no, the yogis in Himalaya should meditate

more and drive them away!

 

, deepak u <deepak_upillai> wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Dear deepak,

I am with you.The hindu have to be united and protect

themself.

 

Have you heard "Dr.Karim Naik" in IRF channel?

 

I am watching him,He is good example of how to convert

"hindu Scripts " in favour of "Islam" .

 

This is true shit and no leader in hindu is come to

protest against him.

 

Now the question is that "why we need enemies when we

have them in home."

 

Our Pundits(human parrots)only keep on offering

comments instead of extracting sence from

nonsence,they only pick up shit out of gold.

 

Even they start daubting on sadgurus capacity. etc.

 

 

 

 

--- deepak u <deepak_upillai wrote:

[Guest guest]

, Aditya Mukherjee <adimuk> wrote:

>

thanks Aditya..it was quite logical analysis of the situation. The

psuedo-secularists of India are so mean and shameless that has no

parallel in the world. The recent example in delhi will prove this.

 

Swami Narayan trust have built a very big and beautiful

AksharDham Temple in Delhi on the banks of river Yamuna. The temple

is a peace of art and its historical part is a real lesson for modern

day children to understand the history of India (and also hinduism).

When the temple was about to be completed, the so called psuedo-

seculars went to the court and asked to stop the temple construction

on the plea it will spoil the environment around Yamuna river.

 

Yamuna river in Delhi has 2 very big slums in the yamuna basin

(where any construction is banned by law)...these slum clusters are

inhabited by illegal bangladeshis, and are infamous centres for

crime, prostitution, pickpockets and illicit liquor. More than 80%

of theft in delhi are committed by them. They also spoil the river

by diverting their sewage in Yamuna....and for the last 20

years...NONE of the communist or the psuedo secularist ever raised a

voice over those slums....and suddenly when a temple is built they

woke up and started hue and cry over the construction.(though court

did not accept their plea and gave go ahead to the temple....and they

blamed court to be agents of RSS)

 

and most of them are Hindus !!!!

 

baba

[Guest guest]

--- radhakutir <radhaktr wrote:

 

radha

thxs for he info,

 

any website?

 

 

Please be advised that

> such a body is already in

> existence and it is called the "HINDU DHARMA ACHARYA

> SABHA", 'The Voice of

> Collective Hindu Consciousness'. This organization

> is made up of 74 top

> saints, many of them heads of various Hindu

> Sampradayas.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

NOOOO please allow me to disagree violently ! Any such

organisation will create havoc for Hinduism. See what churches did

for christinity and Maulavis did for islam.

 

Most of the hindu saints are egotists, idiots and hypocrite...and

i have seen their idiociy on Kumbha Melas in Haridawar.....they are

full of ego and are not capable of leading Hindus.

 

Any such idea should be abadoned...

 

love

 

baba

 

 

 

 

, radhakutir <radhaktr wrote:

>

> "deepak u" <deepak_upillai wrote in <>

>

> I propose that a Supreme Spiritual Council, composed of at least

seven of

> the most popular Hindu leaders of India, be constituted, maybe

under the

> leadership of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the most traveled of all

these, the one

> who has disciples and teachers of all religions, both from India

and the

> West.

> ---------------------

>

> I agree, we need more of Sri Sri Ravi Shankaras to spread the

Gospel of

> Vedic Culture worldwide, which can only be the uniting force in

the face

> world ridden with strife. Please be advised that such a body is

already in

> existence and it is called the "HINDU DHARMA ACHARYA SABHA", 'The

Voice of

> Collective Hindu Consciousness'. This organization is made up of

74 top

> saints, many of them heads of various Hindu Sampradayas. The

second

> convention of this Sabha took place in Mumbai from October 16-18,

2005,

> under the convenership of HH Swami Dayananda Saraswati. This is an

Apex Body

> of Hindu Dharma and the detailed proceedins of this conference and

the

> resolutions adopted by it were published in the Arsha Vidya News

Letter of

> October 2005.

>

> For information of those who are not aware of the existence of

such a body.

>

> radhakutir

> OM

>

[Guest guest]

I agree that having a central body to control the Dharm will be

devastating although it depends on the objective of the group.

 

I would like to see them to join forces in having a day of

collective meditation for peace and harmony. If each Guru asked

his/her disciples to participate from wherever they are, in a day of

meditation for peace, can you even imagine what power it will

unleash?

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba

wrote:

>

> NOOOO please allow me to disagree violently ! Any such

> organisation will create havoc for Hinduism. See what churches

did

> for christinity and Maulavis did for islam.

>

> Most of the hindu saints are egotists, idiots and

hypocrite...and

> i have seen their idiociy on Kumbha Melas in Haridawar.....they

are

> full of ego and are not capable of leading Hindus.

>

> Any such idea should be abadoned...

>

> love

>

> baba

>

>

>

>

> , radhakutir <radhaktr@> wrote:

> >

> > "deepak u" <deepak_upillai@> wrote in <>

> >

> > I propose that a Supreme Spiritual Council, composed of at least

> seven of

> > the most popular Hindu leaders of India, be constituted, maybe

> under the

> > leadership of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the most traveled of all

> these, the one

> > who has disciples and teachers of all religions, both from India

> and the

> > West.

> > ---------------------

> >

> > I agree, we need more of Sri Sri Ravi Shankaras to spread the

> Gospel of

> > Vedic Culture worldwide, which can only be the uniting force in

> the face

> > world ridden with strife. Please be advised that such a body is

> already in

> > existence and it is called the "HINDU DHARMA ACHARYA

SABHA", 'The

> Voice of

> > Collective Hindu Consciousness'. This organization is made up of

> 74 top

> > saints, many of them heads of various Hindu Sampradayas. The

> second

> > convention of this Sabha took place in Mumbai from October 16-

18,

> 2005,

> > under the convenership of HH Swami Dayananda Saraswati. This is

an

> Apex Body

> > of Hindu Dharma and the detailed proceedins of this conference

and

> the

> > resolutions adopted by it were published in the Arsha Vidya News

> Letter of

> > October 2005.

> >

> > For information of those who are not aware of the existence of

> such a body.

> >

> > radhakutir

> > OM

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi wrote:

>

>

> I agree that having a central body to control the Dharm will be

> devastating although it depends on the objective of the group.

>

> I would like to see them to join forces in having a day of

> collective meditation for peace and harmony. If each Guru asked

> his/her disciples to participate from wherever they are, in a day

of

> meditation for peace, can you even imagine what power it will

> unleash?

>

> _/\_ Tat twam asi

----

-

 

Hindu Dharma or Sanatan Dharma is so diverse that it can not be bound

in a strict central body. More over our dharmagurus are so rigid and

bird-headed, they will never agree on anything. I have seen big

names fighting over who will bathe first on Kumbha mela.

Shankracharya once, in a meeting in Kashi became enraged why he was

not given bigger chair..and we see daily these Kleshas....so better

not to give these saints any deciding chair.

 

God himself has taken care of Hindu dharma, and he will continue

doing so.

 

All gurus meditating for peace is a beautiful idea...but how far

it will work is doubtful.

 

when Mahmoud Gaznavi was advancing towards Somnath temple in

Gujarat....all the priests of the temple gathered and did a

continuous Yagya and Japa of Mahamrityunjaya Mantra. The appeal of

the king to send his army to save the temple, were declined by the

Head priest, saying Shiva will save the temple and its inhabitants.

 

History tells what happened....all those peace mantras failed and

Mahmoud killed all the priests, looted the temple and destroyed it.

 

We hindus have been made so coward by interpretations of our

Dharma that where we have to fight, we hide behind idols..where we

have to defend we hide behind explanation of Maya....and finally

suffer and get our temples...and old scriptures destroyed.

 

When Guru Gobind Singh asked Banda Bairagi to fight the Moguls

first he refused saying," I am a sadhaka...what i have to do with

politics and wars"

 

guru Gobind singh then assured him that," serving the

country...going to war to save her too is sadhna and in the hour of

need you sit inactive it will be a sin...all your sadhna will bear no

fruits because Mother Kali wishes to use you for this war"

 

Thus those sitting in Himalayas doing tapasya are not the only

sadhakas.....those sitting on the Siachin glacier in military

uniform, protecting the country in the -50 degree tempratures are

also sadhakas...

 

love

 

baba