Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 used for such evil purposes I would suggest a deeper read (no insults plz i m just really meaning it). Also if all form of power emanates from her ,then so does the so called black magic – so why does she allow it ? Specially against ppl who anywaz do worship and pray and don’t harm others ? Questions such as these near turned me to an atheist at one point of time. Frankly speaking introspection and a huge amount of help from others helped me form some views which brought me back with renewed faith . But before I place them for further comments would like to have views from the group on what is their logic behind all this . (I m not giving my views so as not to color some1 else’s views as I also want to look at new views to broaden myself –and anywaz the mail is become a tad too long ). Looking fw to some replies in this regard . Manoj. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have just one thing to say in color:navy">the form of color:navy">the attached file Wingdings;color:navy">J its an mp3 file. Please listen to it. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On Behalf Of Manoj Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:57 PM Kali_Ma Ur thoughts - power over Power Some interesting areas have been thrown up by comments made by Bala and the replies(or outbursts should I say) that followed . What it has brought up more importantly is the question is the root idea of Siddhi of a god and being able to harness that power for either just a darshan or some gain . As sanjay says that how can some1 bind her who is the originator of all . But as some who do follow the vidyas have shown by experience that the powers can be bound and used (and I am not referring to the smashaan vidyas ,but even the sacred forms of the Mother -eg the ten Mahavidyas,etc ). I asked myself -how can I make Her do what I want (even kill) when I am just a small part of her. It was very surprising for me to discover in my quest of myself and HIM that the banned karmas of uchatan,maaran,sammohan,etc cud be done using mantras dedicated to the Mother and her forms - and indeed there r little cures/Shields if these r used unlike smashaan sadhanas which r comparatively easy to ward off . It's a irrefutable truth that it can be done - so how ?whats the logic ? Why does the normal logic of "The mother cant harm her children" not seem to work here. How can Maa Durga allow her power to be harnessed to break a husband from a wife? How can Maa Kali be invoked to actually kill good humans? How can powers be combined to actually perform krutya -arent the gods /goddess meant to protect rather than harm ? For those of u who believe it cant be done and only "black magic"can be used for such evil purposes I would suggest a deeper read (no insults plz i m just really meaning it). Also if all form of power emanates from her ,then so does the so called black magic - so why does she allow it ? Specially against ppl who anywaz do worship and pray and don't harm others ? Questions such as these near turned me to an atheist at one point of time. Frankly speaking introspection and a huge amount of help from others helped me form some views which brought me back with renewed faith . But before I place them for further comments would like to have views from the group on what is their logic behind all this . (I m not giving my views so as not to color some1 else's views as I also want to look at new views to broaden myself -and anywaz the mail is become a tad too long ). Looking fw to some replies in this regard . Manoj. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. - -- Music from EMI This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your system. The unauthorised use, distribution, copying or alteration of this email is strictly forbidden. If you need assistance please contact us on +44 20 7795 7000. This email is from a unit or subsidiary of EMI Group plc. Registered Office: 27 Wrights Lane, London W8 5SW Registered in England No 229231. - -- Attachment: (application/octet-stream) yadevi.mp3 [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 dear manoj, thank u for your feedback. it was very enlighting. thanks again n GOD bless. i dont wish to argue any further coz i dont wish to jeopardize my faith. Jai Maha Kali Kali_Ma, Manoj <Zeus200477> wrote: > > Some interesting areas have been thrown up by comments made by Bala and the replies(or outbursts should I say) that followed . > What it has brought up more importantly is the question is the root idea of Siddhi of a god and being able to harness that power for either just a darshan or some gain . > As sanjay says that how can some1 bind her who is the originator of all . > But as some who do follow the vidyas have shown by experience that the powers can be bound and used (and I am not referring to the smashaan vidyas ,but even the sacred forms of the Mother –eg the ten Mahavidyas,etc ). > I asked myself –how can I make Her do what I want (even kill) when I am just a small part of her. > It was very surprising for me to discover in my quest of myself and HIM that the banned karmas of uchatan,maaran,sammohan,etc cud be done using mantras dedicated to the Mother and her forms – and indeed there r little cures/Shields if these r used unlike smashaan sadhanas which r comparatively easy to ward off . > > It's a irrefutable truth that it can be done – so how ?whats the logic ? > Why does the normal logic of "The mother cant harm her children" not seem to work here. > How can Maa Durga allow her power to be harnessed to break a husband from a wife? > How can Maa Kali be invoked to actually kill good humans? > How can powers be combined to actually perform krutya –arent the gods /goddess meant to protect rather than harm ? > For those of u who believe it cant be done and only "black magic"can be used for such evil purposes I would suggest a deeper read (no insults plz i m just really meaning it). > Also if all form of power emanates from her ,then so does the so called black magic – so why does she allow it ? > Specially against ppl who anywaz do worship and pray and don't harm others ? > Questions such as these near turned me to an atheist at one point of time. > > Frankly speaking introspection and a huge amount of help from others helped me form some views which brought me back with renewed faith . > But before I place them for further comments would like to have views from the group on what is their logic behind all this . > (I m not giving my views so as not to color some1 else's views as I also want to look at new views to broaden myself –and anywaz the mail is become a tad too long ). > Looking fw to some replies in this regard . > > Manoj. > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 being able to harness that power for either just a darshan or some gain .> As sanjay says that how can some1 bind her who is the originator of all .> But as some who do follow the vidyas have shown by experience that the powers can be bound and used (and I am not referring to the smashaan vidyas ,but even the sacred forms of the Mother –eg the ten Mahavidyas,etc ).> I asked myself –how can I make Her do what I want (even kill) when I am just a small part of her.> It was very surprising for me to discover in my quest of myself and HIM that the banned karmas of uchatan,maaran,sammohan,etc cud be done using mantras dedicated to the Mother and her forms – and indeed there r little cures/Shields if these r used unlike smashaan sadhanas which r comparatively easy to ward off .> > It's a irrefutable truth that it can be done – so how ?whats the logic ?> Why does the normal logic of "The mother cant harm her children" not seem to work here.> How can Maa Durga allow her power to be harnessed to break a husband from a wife?> How can Maa Kali be invoked to actually kill good humans?> How can powers be combined to actually perform krutya –arent the gods /goddess meant to protect rather than harm ?> For those of u who believe it cant be done and only "black magic"can be used for such evil purposes I would suggest a deeper read (no insults plz i m just really meaning it).> Also if all form of power emanates from her ,then so does the so called black magic – so why does she allow it ?> Specially against ppl who anywaz do worship and pray and don't harm others ?> Questions such as these near turned me to an atheist at one point of time.> > Frankly speaking introspection and a huge amount of help from others helped me form some views which brought me back with renewed faith ..> But before I place them for further comments would like to have views from the group on what is their logic behind all this .> (I m not giving my views so as not to color some1 else's views as I also want to look at new views to broaden myself –and anywaz the mail is become a tad too long ).> Looking fw to some replies in this regard .> > Manoj.> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.> Balugopalan Meet your soulmate! Asia presents Meetic - where millions of singles gather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Hi I am a new member. I saw this mail. I have put my thoughts below. One can only be harmed if he has to undergo the fruits of his past karma. The person who is harmed was anyway supposed to undergo the pain. By invoking the shakti/ siddhi against him has actually not done any extra harm to him but the guy who tried it. Since he has done it with a karta bhav he will in future pay for it. So if you are not supposed to killed due to your past actions, you wont be. Please read the story of jada bharat in bhagwat where he was actually saved by the goddess when he was supposed to be sacrificed. Second question is why does god allow such a thing? If he does not , then there is no free will. If there is good there will be bad. Samsara means both. And in the ultimate sense there is no good or bad. And no one can be harmed. I dont think that you can bind her. You can definetly use her. It gives an impression that you have bound her. If people can become liberated by her sanction then how can she be bound. And how can you bind her and still not be liberated? Well this is my understanding, which may be flawed. Regards Sumanta Kali_Ma, Manoj <Zeus200477> wrote: > > Some interesting areas have been thrown up by comments made by Bala and the replies(or outbursts should I say) that followed . > What it has brought up more importantly is the question is the root idea of Siddhi of a god and being able to harness that power for either just a darshan or some gain . > As sanjay says that how can some1 bind her who is the originator of all . > But as some who do follow the vidyas have shown by experience that the powers can be bound and used (and I am not referring to the smashaan vidyas ,but even the sacred forms of the Mother –eg the ten Mahavidyas,etc ). > I asked myself –how can I make Her do what I want (even kill) when I am just a small part of her. > It was very surprising for me to discover in my quest of myself and HIM that the banned karmas of uchatan,maaran,sammohan,etc cud be done using mantras dedicated to the Mother and her forms – and indeed there r little cures/Shields if these r used unlike smashaan sadhanas which r comparatively easy to ward off . > > It's a irrefutable truth that it can be done – so how ?whats the logic ? > Why does the normal logic of "The mother cant harm her children" not seem to work here. > How can Maa Durga allow her power to be harnessed to break a husband from a wife? > How can Maa Kali be invoked to actually kill good humans? > How can powers be combined to actually perform krutya –arent the gods /goddess meant to protect rather than harm ? > For those of u who believe it cant be done and only "black magic"can be used for such evil purposes I would suggest a deeper read (no insults plz i m just really meaning it). > Also if all form of power emanates from her ,then so does the so called black magic – so why does she allow it ? > Specially against ppl who anywaz do worship and pray and don't harm others ? > Questions such as these near turned me to an atheist at one point of time. > > Frankly speaking introspection and a huge amount of help from others helped me form some views which brought me back with renewed faith . > But before I place them for further comments would like to have views from the group on what is their logic behind all this . > (I m not giving my views so as not to color some1 else's views as I also want to look at new views to broaden myself –and anywaz the mail is become a tad too long ). > Looking fw to some replies in this regard . > > Manoj. > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 dear balugopalan, i ahve some mantras that u requested, but plz mail to me first your email add n give some intro abt yourself n what r u going to do with t mantra that i will give? tq. my email add is jasyindar Kali_Ma, balu gopalan <balugopalan> wrote: > > Dear jasyindar, hi i am interested in learning maha kali mantras and pls teach me actually how to worship her (maha kali) . pls reply me asap looking forward of it <! > > > Balugopalan > Jai kali mata > > jasyindar <jasyindar> wrote: > dear manoj, thank u for your feedback. it was very enlighting. > thanks again n GOD bless. i dont wish to argue any further coz i > dont wish to jeopardize my faith. > Jai Maha Kali > > Kali_Ma, Manoj <Zeus200477> wrote: > > > > Some interesting areas have been thrown up by comments made by > Bala and the replies(or outbursts should I say) that followed . > > What it has brought up more importantly is the question is the > root idea of Siddhi of a god and being able to harness that power > for either just a darshan or some gain . > > As sanjay says that how can some1 bind her who is the originator > of all . > > But as some who do follow the vidyas have shown by experience > that the powers can be bound and used (and I am not referring to the > smashaan vidyas ,but even the sacred forms of the Mother –eg the ten > Mahavidyas,etc ). > > I asked myself –how can I make Her do what I want (even kill) > when I am just a small part of her. > > It was very surprising for me to discover in my quest of myself > and HIM that the banned karmas of uchatan,maaran,sammohan,etc cud be > done using mantras dedicated to the Mother and her forms – and > indeed there r little cures/Shields if these r used unlike smashaan > sadhanas which r comparatively easy to ward off . > > > > It's a irrefutable truth that it can be done – so how ?whats the > logic ? > > Why does the normal logic of "The mother cant harm her children" > not seem to work here. > > How can Maa Durga allow her power to be harnessed to break a > husband from a wife? > > How can Maa Kali be invoked to actually kill good humans? > > How can powers be combined to actually perform krutya –arent the > gods /goddess meant to protect rather than harm ? > > For those of u who believe it cant be done and only "black > magic"can be used for such evil purposes I would suggest a deeper > read (no insults plz i m just really meaning it). > > Also if all form of power emanates from her ,then so does the so > called black magic – so why does she allow it ? > > Specially against ppl who anywaz do worship and pray and don't > harm others ? > > Questions such as these near turned me to an atheist at one > point of time. > > > > Frankly speaking introspection and a huge amount of help from > others helped me form some views which brought me back with renewed > faith . > > But before I place them for further comments would like to have > views from the group on what is their logic behind all this . > > (I m not giving my views so as not to color some1 else's views > as I also want to look at new views to broaden myself –and anywaz > the mail is become a tad too long ). > > Looking fw to some replies in this regard . > > > > Manoj. > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web. > > > Kali_Ma > > Terms of Service. > > > Balugopalan > > > > Meet your soulmate! > Asia presents Meetic - where millions of singles gather > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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