Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 There is nothign called Kama yoga, its probably a make up of mythology by the minds of people who thinks sex is a intregrated part of religion or like holistic self styled yogi's like rajnish, who called himself bhagwan or god. Last but not the least, "third class Indian railways" is a step short of being a raciest remark. Jogayak ChatterjeeJohn <brightasafig (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Thank you. I remembered it different. So I suppose it's Karma Yoga I'm thinking about. But I remember one of the yogas being Kama, i.e. the way of loving someone as opposed to Bhakti which is the way of loving the devinity. I also remember Raja Yoga being more about intellect, philosophy, than meditation. Well if you pick up these things in Third Class Indian Railways carriages, you can expect some oddities! JohnKali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote:> > Kali_Ma, "John" <brightasafig> wrote:> > > > Can someone help me? I was talking to a sadhu outsidea closed shop > > in Rameshwaram one evening, and he told me about the 4 yogas, form > > the Bhadavad Gita. One was selfless service. I think it was Jnana. > > Could someone point out a website where I can learn about it?> > > > John> > The term "jnana" describes a special kind of knowledge> of the absolute, or reality, known as "Brahman." Jnana> yoga is commonly known as the yoga of knowledge, but the> word "knowledge" has a special connotation and is different> from the term "knowledge" as it is commonly used by English> speakers.> > Here is a link which describes the four yogas in brief:> > http://vedanta.org/wiv/practice/yogas/yoga.html> > --jody. ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I kinda took it to mean 3rd class as in First Class (1st), Business Class (2nd) Coach (3rd). ie.. he was traveling in coach somewhere in India. Does it have a different meaning? Thanks in advance, Charlie Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc. Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 When we are speaking about sadhana or prayers or moksha whatever name you may like to call it, we speak and think of it from the references that have been made in the primary books of Hindu theology, which itself shines as bright as a llight to show the way to those who seeks or deserves to get, for the past 5000 years. rajnish or sex has nothing to do here, neither does anything that is related to any individuals achievement. Jogayak Chatterjee jodyrrr <jodyrrr > wrote: Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> There are 4 prime Yoga's as per Yog Upanishad the 3rd book of > the upanishad's, written approximately 1500 years before the > birth of Christ. they are Karma, Raj, Bhakti and Kriya yoga. > > There is nothign called Kama yoga, its probably a make up of> mythology by the minds of people who thinks sex is a intregrated > part of religion or like holistic self styled yogi's like rajnish, > who called himself bhagwan or god.Your personal opinion about the Bhagwan Rajneesh is noted.While I am not particularly a fan of his either, the factis that his iconoclastic notions have proved very valuablefor many sadhakas, in his lifetime and beyond.While "kama" yoga may not be mentioned in the Upanishads,it can be a effective practice for certain individuals.Sex is just as much a pathway to understanding as any otheractivity. It may not be the best path for most, but it mostcertainly is for some, regardless of what the purity-obsessedBrahmanical class has to say about it.--jody.> Last but not the least, "third class Indian railways" is a > step short of being a raciest remark.> > Jogayak Chatterjee> > John <brightasafig> wrote:> > Thank you. I remembered it different. So I suppose it's Karma Yoga > I'm thinking about. But I remember one of the yogas being Kama, i.e. > the way of loving someone as opposed to Bhakti which is the way of > loving the devinity. I also remember Raja Yoga being more about > intellect, philosophy, than meditation. Well if you pick up these > things in Third Class Indian Railways carriages, you can expect some > oddities! John> > Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote:> > > > Kali_Ma, "John" <brightasafig> wrote:> > > > > > Can someone help me? I was talking to a sadhu outsidea closed > shop > > > in Rameshwaram one evening, and he told me about the 4 yogas, > form > > > the Bhadavad Gita. One was selfless service. I think it was > Jnana. > > > Could someone point out a website where I can learn about it?> > > > > > John> > > > The term "jnana" describes a special kind of knowledge> > of the absolute, or reality, known as "Brahman." Jnana> > yoga is commonly known as the yoga of knowledge, but the> > word "knowledge" has a special connotation and is different> > from the term "knowledge" as it is commonly used by English> > speakers.> > > > Here is a link which describes the four yogas in brief:> > > > http://vedanta.org/wiv/practice/yogas/yoga.html> > > > --jody.> > > > > > > Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> Kali_Ma/> > > Kali_Ma> > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Jodyrrr, Tantra is not the means, its the end, thats the reason why the so called "tantriks" are actually outcasts in the society and are not looked upon or treated with respect, rather with fear. Religion, specially hinduism, has everything to do with love and moksha, thats the true essence of this religion. When you are speaking about the 4 yoga's, you are speaking about the mainstream Hinduism and not tantra, because tantriks practice "hathya yoga" which again is out of the mainstream yoga. You are confusing yourself. probably because you are not an Indian, you only have the superficial knowledge of these facts. Ramkrishna was never a tantrik, I am saying this, because on your reference you used Kerala and Bengal as tantra's root to shaktism, here too you are wrong, because I am a son of the soil, I am from bengal, and have taken my "diksha" from Dakshineshwar, the seat of Maa Kali Dakshineswari, and the place of Shree shree Ramkrishna. Sree Ramkrishna never preached or practiced tantra, and thats why one of his main deciples, or you can say the best deciple, Swami Vivekananda, was one of the foremost preachers of getting moksha and right light through usage of shashtra and methods of the veda's and Upanishad's. When you refer Maa Kali as a mother, and use terms of "enjoying relationship with her" or use terms like "Ma Kali as I know her is all about sex", you sound like a typical bred and brought up european, to whom everything is sex, and even "incest" is "just another form of love". Thats the difference between knowledge and barbarism, thats the difference between your culture and ours. Devi Bhagabatam is not a religious text, its a reference text for people teaching, learning or preaching tantra, and has no direct link to mainstream Hinduism. Srimad Bhagawad Gita is THE book for us, and will always remain so. As you again wrongly said "Sex" is the primary manifesting principle of the mahashakti...is wrong again. Mahashakti is Maa, means Mother, and everything related to Mother is love and protection in her hands, she is the savior, the nourisher and the protector. Finally, Brahminical prohibitions and inhibitions are not for the true Brahmin, because you are born as a Brahmin after a 1000 deaths and being born as a brahmin is your final incurnation before you finally die and your soul gets united to the "Paratma", the super soul, or God. You cannot convert to a Brahmin, you are being born as one to use your past 1000 birth's knowledge to educate those people, who are in the process of the cycle of birth and death, so that they too are born as perfect or Brahmin's on another day. A Brahmin who misutilizes his power or status gets a million years in hellfire as per the Rishika Veda's. FINALLY, I write in this group, for my fellow Indian brothers and sisters, as well as certain enlightened westerners who knows a lot in depth about the petels of Hinduism, and not for perverts to whom anything and everything is related or linked to sex. But i though its necessary to reply to your mail in details, because its time now that "YOU" who does not have even proper knowledge about your own religion, teaches us what our religion has to say...! Jogayak Chatterjee jodyrrr <jodyrrr > wrote: Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> Dear Jodyrrr,> > When we are speaking about sadhana or prayers or moksha whatever> name you may like to call it, we speak and think of it from the > references that have been made in the primary books of Hindu > theology, which itself shines as bright as a llight to show the > way to those who seeks or deserves to get, for the past 5000 years.> rajnish or sex has nothing to do here, neither does anything that > is related to any individuals achievement. > > Jogayak Chatterjee"That about which in the Vedas and the Puranas itis said, 'Don't do this, this shouldn't be done,"in the Tantras is called good."--RamakrishnaYou may choose to ignore tantra, but to do so is toignore the most effective means of personal andspiritual transformation, IMO.In addition, much of shaktism in Kerala and Bengal hasits roots in tantrism. So, to ignore the tantric is toignore the primary means Mother has given us to enjoya relationship with Her.Finally, read the Devi Bhagavatam. It has more sex inits pages than everything Hollywood has ever produced,and it's all about Ma.Ma Kali as I know Her is all about sex. Sex is theprimary manifesting principle of the Mahashakti. It'sclear and obvious to anyone whose head is not pollutedwith ridiculous Brahminical prohibitions and inhibitions.--jody.> > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:> > Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> > There are 4 prime Yoga's as per Yog Upanishad the 3rd book of > > the upanishad's, written approximately 1500 years before the > > birth of Christ. they are Karma, Raj, Bhakti and Kriya yoga. > > > > There is nothign called Kama yoga, its probably a make up of> > mythology by the minds of people who thinks sex is a intregrated > > part of religion or like holistic self styled yogi's like rajnish, > > who called himself bhagwan or god.> > Your personal opinion about the Bhagwan Rajneesh is noted.> While I am not particularly a fan of his either, the fact> is that his iconoclastic notions have proved very valuable> for many sadhakas, in his lifetime and beyond.> > While "kama" yoga may not be mentioned in the Upanishads,> it can be a effective practice for certain individuals.> Sex is just as much a pathway to understanding as any other> activity. It may not be the best path for most, but it most> certainly is for some, regardless of what the purity-obsessed> Brahmanical class has to say about it.> > --jody.> > > Last but not the least, "third class Indian railways" is a > > step short of being a raciest remark.> > > > Jogayak Chatterjee> > > > > > John <brightasafig> wrote:> > > > Thank you. I remembered it different. So I suppose it's Karma Yoga > > I'm thinking about. But I remember one of the yogas being Kama, i.e. > > the way of loving someone as opposed to Bhakti which is the way of > > loving the devinity. I also remember Raja Yoga being more about > > intellect, philosophy, than meditation. Well if you pick up these > > things in Third Class Indian Railways carriages, you can expect some > > oddities! John> > > > Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote:> > > > > > Kali_Ma, "John" <brightasafig> wrote:> > > > > > > > Can someone help me? I was talking to a sadhu outsidea closed > > shop > > > > in Rameshwaram one evening, and he told me about the 4 yogas, > > form > > > > the Bhadavad Gita. One was selfless service. I think it was > > Jnana. > > > > Could someone point out a website where I can learn about it?> > > > > > > > John> > > > > > The term "jnana" describes a special kind of knowledge> > > of the absolute, or reality, known as "Brahman." Jnana> > > yoga is commonly known as the yoga of knowledge, but the> > > word "knowledge" has a special connotation and is different> > > from the term "knowledge" as it is commonly used by English> > > speakers.> > > > > > Here is a link which describes the four yogas in brief:> > > > > > http://vedanta.org/wiv/practice/yogas/yoga.html> > > > > > --jody.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links> > > > > > Kali_Ma/> > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > Kali_Ma> > > > Terms ofService. > > > > > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!> > > > > > > Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> Kali_Ma/> > To from this group, send an email to:> Kali_Ma> > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > The all-new My – Get yours free! egp html banner|**| -->Kali_Ma/ To from this group, send an email to:Kali_Ma Your use of is subject to the Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 As the saying goes, "never spill pearl before the pig". I would also not like to waste the pearl of my wisdom with someone ..... and the great feelings of being a hindu, morally and spiritually. Jogayak Chatterjee jodyrrr <jodyrrr > wrote: Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:[snip]> Ramkrishna was never a tantrik.The rest of your puritanical diatribe was badenough, but the statement above is absolutelyand incredibly ludicrous.Regardless of where you took your initiationand where you live, you obviously know NOTHINGabout Ramakrishna, IMO.I'll point you to http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kalischi/and leave it at that. You are clearly much toonarrow-minded and ideologically bound to continuethe discussion with.--jody. Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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